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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Uncommon|
|Guilds of Ravnica: Guild Kit (GK1)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2018 (C18)||Uncommon|
|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Uncommon|
|Commander Anthology (CM1)||Uncommon|
|Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
|Dragon's Maze (DGM)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Izzet vs. Golgari (DDJ)||Uncommon|
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|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
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Destroy target artifact or creature. It can't be regenerated.
1 day ago
instead of Putrefy I recommend Assassin's Trophy or Windgrace's Judgement. Those two are really powerful instant in your colors that can hit any permanents or nonland permanents. Gives ya lot more options, 1 mana less if you pick assassin trophy and it has more options to chose from or for two mana more you have more options but can get rid of 1 thing for each opponent so its like casting a putrefy for each opponent.
Because you make a lot of tokens, sacing your tokens to get value is really good. Skullclamp lets you draw a lot of cards by killing your snakes, Ashnod's Altar is pretty much a sol ring if you keep sacing your snakes to it, Phyrexian Altar if ya dont mind spending money.
A fun lock that I run in my meren deck is Contamination . everybody is forced to play mono black as long as you can sac a creature, but because you can keep producing a lot of snakes out you should never run out and end up just winning the game.
5 days ago
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6 days ago
Thanks for the input Bighimmy!
So I've gone through the list and my understanding is that you mean proactive interaction/removal. So from the deck list thus far there is:
- Assassin's Trophy
- Beast Within
- Windgrace's Judgement
- Pernicious Deed
- World Shaper
- Acidic Slime
For boardwipes there are:
Now for some of the other options I've gone through in the past I personally don't feel like a few of them are really worth it, and feel free to discuss these since there's always going to be something that I'm missing or haven't really thought about. My thoughts on:
- Chaos Warp : This is an attractive option, it deals with anything and you can even use it on your own permanents to try and spin into something more useful. It means that certain threats don't go to the graveyard (for reanimation or death triggers) and can get lost in the deck. However, from past experience I'm much more a fan of Assassin's Trophy as you can then Bojuka Bog to exile the threat along with the rest of the graveyard. This is a less risky option, and I completely understand why people go to it but I know I'll be kicking myself once a Chaos Warp turns a threat into a bigger threat.
- Gaze of Granite : Pernicious Deed just does everything that Gaze of Granite does that much better with the only exception being planeswalkers. You don't have to sink all your mana into the casting (so if it gets countered it's not a complete loss) and furthermore you can use Pernicious Deed at instant speed, which is a massive way to interact with non-creature permanent-based strategies (such as enchantments and artifacts).
- Go for the Throat / Doom Blade / Dismember / Abrupt Decay : I'm not a massive fan of conditional removal in commander because my rule of thumb is that the broadest answer is the best answer the vast majority of cases.
- Putrefy : for the longest time I played this in the deck before Ravnica Allegiances rolled around and Bedevil took its place. The ability to interact with planeswalkers is fantastic, but the key thing I think is that the inability to regenerate clause from Putrefy isn't of massive concern for this deck for a couple of reasons. Firstly regeneration isn't particularly common, and when it is you're dealing with Asceticism in which case you're not Putrefying anything. Otherwise you have access to Damnation which doesn't allow regeneration and Toxic Deluge which also doesn't allow regeneration.
- Force of Vigor : I started playing this in my Ayula, Queen Among Bears commander deck and in mono green it is the best answer to a lot of early game and late game threats. Current this deck has 42 green cards so there's no shortage of fodder to play this for free on your opponent's turn, but I'm unsure as to what this supercedes in the deck currently.
- Casualties of War : as a budget option this is fine but the sorcery speed makes this lacklustre.
- Noxious Revival : This was on the radar for a while when I was concerned about getting Glacial Chasm destroyed and then getting exiled, however there is not really a reliable way to recur this effect, and it is not particularly powerful (though has some utility due to being able to play it at instant speed for nothing). My other concern was that it requires an additional step to get it into hand, so if you draw it for turn, you would need a way to draw an additional card to then get whatever you need from the graveyard to your hand. As a redundant effect for Eternal Witness I understand, however I think it is too much of a corner case and I would be more of a fan of Regrowth -like as you will have access massive amounts of excess mana from Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers . I imagine something like this will come along some time in the near future, it's only a matter of time.
- Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast / Guttural Response : I find that this angle of interaction is far too narrow to really be applicable unless you know there is a very high chance of versing counterspells in your local meta. This is why I find that Boseiju, Who Shelters All is a better solution to this problem, primarily because it can be searched off abilities and deals with the majority of effects while being difficult to interact with itself. Now the way your opponents can get around this is effects like Venser, Shaper Savant , Narset's Reversal or any other Unsubstantiate -type abilities. I learned to simply accept this as a weakness of the deck given the colours. The archetype is rather weak to its inability to interact with the stack, but I think there are more unconventional ways around this, such as Contamination to punish their mana base or by waiting until your counter-laden opponents are tapped out from trying to deal with each other. I think that this is a fair trade off for this deck being difficult to interact with.
The main weakness of this deck I believe is its inability to deal with mill and combo effectively, vulnerability to bounce effects on the stack like Venser, Shaper Savant and counterspells. I've found that these weaknesses can be reduced with a couple of strategies:
- Playing some political cards Pir's Whim + Tempt with Discovery + Rites of Flourishing to try and ameliorate the board (and not draw the ire of anyone who might have a counter available),
- Building up a solid land base from both a deckbuilding and play perspective to support a late-game comeback due to the lack of cards that effectively interact with land-base strategies, and
- The ability to play around counterspells and interaction, such as Boseiju, Who Shelters All and reliance on using abilities rather than just spells.
So after a little more testing, Elvish Reclaimer is an absolute house in being able to effectively Crop Rotation each turn to more reliable tutor out either ramping or utility land. The summoning sickness issue means that again this does not pull this deck back from the brink in the late game, but as an early game drop it provides access to both stocking the graveyard for Lord Windgrace and fixing mana for the later game. I regret my initial skepticism on this addition and think it is a great upgrade for the deck.
I am planning on adding in Korvold, Fae-Cursed King shortly because I think another Gitrog Monster will be welcome here. I think I'll finally have to pull the trigger on cutting Zuran Orb , it's been there since the start...
1 week ago
Instead of Sylvan Library and Alhammarret's Archive , you could go with Fecundity or Collective Unconscious , or Howling Mine for extra draws per turn (although it is group friendly). Putrefy is still decent Golgari removal. Plague Wind is another one-sided board wipe. I like to run Naturalize at times, too.
3 weeks ago
Other - Buried Alive
3 weeks ago
Do me a favor. Grab one of your Commander decks at random, and tell me how much Artifact and Enchantment hate is in it. Then count how many artifacts are in it.
On my side, for my Thelon of Havenwood deck, I have Casualties of War , Status / Statue , Putrefy and Abrupt Decay . Yes, they can take out those cards, but that's not their primary use. Each of those also takes out Creatures, which is their primary use. In colours that are really good at taking out Creatures, Artifacts and Enchantment. As for my artifacts, Golgari Signet , Golgari Locket , Lifecrafter's Bestiary and Coat of Arms . None of which even come close to being cards that require dedicated removal. Not even a Sol Ring because it doesn't do what I need.
Well, I take that back with Coat of Arms . That can get overboard. Especially in a dedicated Tribal deck like that one.
My point stands. Cards that require a response are, by definition, format warping. Paradox Engine required a response because it was too powerful, and warping. So did the Prophet. And with those out, Vedalken Orrery is the next best thing, as you so cheerfully point out.
And as for my comment about mono-? You have it backward. I chose my example, not that person.
1 month ago
Deck link? I assume you mean Ooze Jund though?
I actually have an Ooze-centred deck (Classic Jund-er!) and while it's not super competitive I've got a few thoughts based on my own experiences. First, I'd drop Cryptbreaker : you've got no cards that benefit from being discarded, and only two that utilise the cards once they're in the graveyard. Playing on the counters theme are Corpsejack Menace and Winding Constrictor . The latter is the perfect follow-up to Bloodhall Ooze as they give it four counters a turn regardless of anything else on the field while the former is really just a win-more that will see your counters getting out of control very quickly. Neither play well with Devoted Druid but I'm not convinced you need him anyway as your mana base is pretty strong, if lacking Raging Ravine and perhaps a basic Forest or two. Speaking of, if you think you can handle the triple green you might want to think about Predator Ooze as a one or two-of. Next, are Doom Whisperer or Morselhoarder contributing meaningfully to your game plan? Considering the the theme, I would suggest replacing the higher-end gribblies with a more synergistic payoff such as Biogenic Ooze as well as including a fourth Walking Ballista . Acidic Slime is very versatile as well but probably not worth the main board, perhaps it could replace Wickerbough Elder ?
Other than its creatures, Jund's main strengths are all about being interactive. First is hand disruption, so including some discard spells is practically obligatory. Whether you want to go with any of the first turn options ( Duress et al) or the retro Blightning is up to you, but the former is probably of more value for this deck and gives it a strong opener that sets back your opponent while giving you information. On the removal front I would cut Font of Agonies because you simply don't have enough ways to repeatably pay life consistently early on and is a dead draw later. The fact that it is also an enchantment that your opponent knows you have and can play around or simply destroy once you get to three counters really puts the nail in its coffin. The truth is that Jund is spoiled for choice when it comes to destroying anything, even on a limited budget you've got access to Lightning Bolt , Putrefy and Terminate . Then if you want to upgrade you can look into Fatal Push , Abrupt Decay / Assassin's Trophy , Maelstrom Pulse and Kolaghan's Command . Vessel of Nascency also feels very sub-par and is rather mana hungry: Jund in all its flavours is about that Dat Walue and three mana for one card doesn't feel like a good deal. Especially when, again, you've no Tarmogoyf s or other things that want a graveyard stacked with different card types. Both oozes looking in that direction prefer a creature-based diet, so focus on attacking, making aggressive trades and simply blowing up any creatures your opponent brings out.
Sideboard I'll avoid commenting on unless you have a specific question because it's pretty meta-dependant, though four Pithing Needle s seems like a lot. Any card in particular giving you trouble? Anyway hope that helps, or at least gives you something to think about.
Putrefy occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
BRG (Jund): 1.43%