Overgrown Tomb

Overgrown Tomb

Land — Swamp Forest

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As this enters the battlefield, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, this enters the battlefield tapped.

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Overgrown Tomb Discussion

nbarry223 on Glittering Company

2 days ago

if you're replacing cards, I'd start with:

1x Indatha Triome
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Temple Garden

in that order

zapyourtumor on Jundilicious

3 months ago

Threats:

I'd say one of the main decisions you should make with this deck is whether to go for Lurrus or not. Currently, you only have one card, Lili, which is preventing you from playing Lurrus. If you went the Lurrus route, I'd cut the LotV, and Ignobles. Iggys are best used to accelerate into 3 and 4 drops, which means they don't really fit in with Lurrus. Instead, I would probably add some Dragon's Rage Channeler (the card is just too good), Scourge of the Skyclaves, and maybe some bauble. Since Lurrus is so powerful, the best versions of Jund DS are almost certainly Lurrus builds.

That said, imo going into Lurrus-free jund midrange with Death's Shadow like you've done here is more interesting. However, you'd definitely need some more powerful 3-4 drop threats (although I guess Kroxa is kind of a "4-drop"). 4 Iggys seems a bit overboard to me, I think 3 may be more optimal given that its a weak topdeck. Grimlock suggested Varolz and I wholeheartedly support adding 1 mainboard--He's a very fun 1-of and a great topdeck. Bloodbraid Elf is another powerful 2-for-1 threat and a good 1-2 of. There are some other good 3-4 drops like Klothys, God of Destiny, Seasoned Pyromancer, Huntmaster of the Fells  Flip but I don't really think any of them are a good fit for this deck.

About Deaths Shadow specifically: I've seen some comments above that there isn't enough self damage to justify Deaths Shadow and that the deck would function better as a midrange deck without DS. Honestly, this deck is more of a Jund midrange deck that happens to run Shadow than a full on Shadow deck. Only running lands and Thoughtseizes for life loss is enough to justify running shadow, since it is an efficient beater for mid to late game kind of like Goyf.

Spells

Although we have Iggy now as a one drop, DS isn't really a t1 play. I'd run more hand disruption: I think 2 Inquisition of Kozilek sounds good but whether you run 2 or 3 probably depends on the meta.

For the removal suite, I'd lower the curve. Unholy Heat would be good if you decide to run DRC and go Lurrus. Else, I'd run maybe 2-3 Fatal Push. Between Decay and Trophy, I usually like around 2-4 combined. Terminate is probably not needed to answer Murktide if you run 2 Assassin's Trophies. KCommand is pretty good right now so 2 seems like the sweet spot, although you could easily shave a copy or maybe even go up to 3. I don't think you need to go above 12 removal spells total.

Stuff like Temur Battle Rage isn't really what we want in a grindier midrangier deck, since its more for grixis DS decks to pull surprise wins out of nowhere.

Lands

In a Lurrus deck, 19-20 lands is usually enough. For Iggy jund, I would probably go for 21-23. You have mana dorks, but you also have more higher cmc cards. I would cut down on shocks and basics. Only 1-2 Blood Crypt, 2 Overgrown Tomb, maybe a Stomping grounds seems like enough. For basics I think you only need 1 mountain and 1 forest. I would probably go for 8-9 fetches total, since they can either help accelerate lifeloss or save life by fetching basics. If you go above 21 lands, some horizon lands to prevent manaflooding would be nice, like 1-2 Nurturing Peatland.

Sideboard

I won't really go into this one. I've noticed that most of your sideboards follow a very streamlined 4 4 4 3 pattern which can work well sometimes. I personally prefer a sideboard with more variety and 1-2 ofs but I guess it all depends on your meta.

multimedia on Latty the baddie

4 months ago

Hey, one drop green mana Elves are really good, a big reason to play Elves. They aren't just ramp with Lathril they're also fuel for her activated ability when you don't need them for ramp and lets you get more Elves onto the battlefield quicker.


Staff of Domination does everything as a mana sink for Elves and can be an enabler for Lathril to be a win condition. With Staff you first make infinite green mana by tapping and untapping one of Archdruid, Marwyn(with 5 or more power), Priest of Titania, Circle or Wirewood Channeler. When you have infinite green mana then Staff is the mana sink to draw and cast enough Elves to control 10 or more. When you have 10 or more Elves then Staff can be the mana sink to repeatedly untap Lathril and each one the 10 Elves as the win condition.

Quest for Renewal is another enabler for Lathril and 10 Elves to be win condition. When Quest has four counters which is not difficult especially with more mana Elves, you can untap all creatures you control during each opponents turn. With Lathril each opponent loses 10 life on each player's turn, resulting in all opponents losing 40 life in one cycle of all player's turns if you have three opponents.

Chord of Calling is a helpful instant creature tutor since can tap Elves to help to pay for it's convoke, with enough Elves it's a free spell to cast and it puts the creature you search for onto the battlefield. It has nice interaction with Elf tokens since can tap them to convoke the turn they're created. With Chord get Ezuri or Miara, Thorn of the Glade in response to removal, get Archdruid so you can tap him on your turn, get Magistrate so you can tap her on your next turn, get Varragoth so you can attack with him on your next turn, etc.

Patriarch's Bidding is among the most powerful tribal spells for quick recovery. For five mana it reanimates all Elves in your graveyard. Play a Regrowth just to have another potential Chord or Bidding or recur any other card.


An area to consider improving to help with competitiveness is the manabase by upgrading to Golgari dual lands that ETB untapped.

Cabal Stronghold only works with basic Swamps and there's only 9 here which is not enough to really get much if any ramp making it consistently only a colorless source of mana.


Some cards to consider cutting: Blightbeetle, Mana Bloom, Terramorph, Serpent's Soul-Jar, Return Upon the Tide, Masked Admirers, Wild Pair, Golgari Guildmage, Korozda Guildmage, Rhys the Exiled, Blanchwood Armor, Dowsing Dagger  Flip, Harvest Season

If Blightbeetle is tech in your playgroup than nice, but if it's not then it looks out of place. Most if not all mana ramp sources can come from actual Elves instead of other sources like Mana Bloom or land ramp like Terramorph. I would even play one drop mana Elf or Farhaven Elf over Cultivate or Harvest Season.

Serpent's Soul-Jar is not a good card, exiling an Elf when it dies is not a may you have to do it and hoping to be able to cast many Elves later, one at a time with Jar is not going to consistently happen. Instead most if not all your exiled Elves will be stuck in exile for the rest of the game because Jar will be destroyed or removed another way.

Good luck with your deck.

StoryArcher on Modern Dimir Mill & Dauthi …

4 months ago

Damn - there was a typo in there; Bloodstained Mire should have been listed instead of Overgrown Tomb. Surely 8x fetch lands is enough?

I hadn't considered that use of Field of Ruin. I'll definitely make that change.

Caerwyn on Modern Dimir Mill & Dauthi …

4 months ago

Do you happen to have a deck list? I would be curious to see what you are using for your basis.

Right now, I think the best Modern mill deck you can run is 8-Crab. 4x Hedron Crab, 4x Ruin Crab, a bunch of fetch lands to enable your crabs, and then Drown, Visions, and some “burn” spells and some removal to finish off the deck.

I also know some folks who have been having decent success splashing into Green for a few copies ofAssassin's Trophy - since the deck should run a lot of fetches for your crabs, one can splash into green with one or two copies of Overgrown Tomb and no other green lands relatively easily.

I will also note there are a few cards which are traps - they look like they might be good for mill, but are not. Jace's Phantasm is one of those cards - you are not trying to hit their life total, so you don’t need an attacker. If you feel you need a blocker due to your meta, you’re better off with Ensnaring Bridge than a single 5/5 with flying.

Fraying Sanity is another card that gets tossed around a lot as a suggestion. Realistically, I don’t think Sanity does much for Mill - you want to focus on burning your opponent as quickly as possible, and Sanity comes down at the critical turn 3 point. It does no burn for turn (other than doubling what your crabs might have done), and usually is more of a “win more” card than a “this wins you games” card. By that I mean any game it helps you win, you likely could have won with something else in those card slots, but it doesn’t do much to let you win games you would otherwise lose.

multimedia on Korvold Loves Treasure

4 months ago

Hey, well done on a budget, nice foil Goldspan and SL Dreadbore :)

Consider more ramp with Korvold? More one and two drop ramp sources:

Korvold is powerful as Commander when playing lots of ramp since it helps to cast him faster and then that ramp can fuel his sacrifice. This makes playing lots of redundant ramp actually a strength.


Animation Module + Ashnod's Altar + Korvold is a combo to draw as many cards as you want, make Korvold huge, make as much colorless mana as you want. Without the combo Module is a nice repeatable source of tokens for sac fodder because of Korvold.

Add Pitiless Plunderer to create tons of treasures. Plunderer and a different sac outlet such as Viscera Seer or Goblin Bombardment could replace Ashnod's Altar since it only costs 1 mana (1 treasure) to make a Servo with Module. Bombardment is an excellent low CMC budget sac outlet.

Ramunap Excavator lets you abuse lands as the permanent to sac with Korvold. Caustic Caterpillar and Seal of Primordium are upgrades for artifact/enchantment removal spells because they can sac themselves as well as be saced at instant speed. Plaguecrafter is a nice creature removal effect in multiplayer Commander who sacs himself.

Prossh, Skyraider of Kher as the high end has synergy with Korvold. It's a sac outlet and it makes Kobold tokens to sac. Farseek is an upgrade for Rampant Growth because you have Overgrown Tomb and Stomping Ground. Harrow is an upgrade for Cultivate because you sac a land to cast it.

Path of Ancestry, Jund Panorama, Karplusan Forest, Dragonskull Summit, Rootbound Crag, Cinder Glade, Smoldering Marsh are some budget land upgrades to consider.

If interested I offer more advice including suggestions of cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.

multimedia on Dragons Forever

4 months ago

Hey, good start. Overall you have good sense with the high budget you have.

Consider revisiting the manabase, you forgot Command Tower and also expand on ramp? 31 lands with only seven 0-3 CMC ramp sources is a risky amount when you need a lot of mana to cast Dragons and Ur-Dragon is nine mana. You really want a ramp source in your opening hand and consistently to get this you want more ramp. Not playing one basic land is an interesting choice, not a choice I would make, but if it's working for you than nice. I would include at least one of each basic.

The Pathways are not good lands for five colors since can only choose one color, they don't give you enough color fixing. With your high budget you can do better than the Pathways especially since a few of them cost more price than much better lands. Castle Locthwain and Westvale Abbey  Flip look out of place and are not powerful enough only able to make one black or one colorless mana in a five color deck. Some Rainbow lands are helpful when playing five colors or with Dragons:


More land ramp that can search for a Triome or Shock land:

Lore and Visits are two drops, similar to Farseek, but the land you search for can ETB untapped if you search for a Forest Shock land. Skyshroud can search for two Forest Triomes or Forest Shock lands. Adding Overgrown Tomb would help with these land ramp spells. Some good ramp sources for five colors to consider:


There's a few other nonDragon cards here that you don't need because they're not as good as other cards here:

Nyx Lotus is not a good ramp source here since it's a four drop that ETB tapped and then it doesn't make mana unless you control another colored permanent. Cover of Darkness is an expensive price card that's not doing much here because Dragons don't really need fear since they already have flying evasion.

Because you have Tiamat then you could cut some of the lesser Dragons such as Deathbringer Regent, Amareth, the Lustrous and Ramos, Dragon Engine. You have Old Gnawbone, if you add Hellkite Charger then you have an infinite attack combo that Tiamat can tutor for.

There's several expensive price cards in the maybeboard that would be good upgrades, but there's also some budget cards that would be upgrades for any of the above cards I mentioned to consider cutting:

Good luck with your deck.

enpc on Consultation Tasigur (Spicy-ish)

5 months ago

I would recommend getting Breeding Pool and Zagoth Triome. Then get a copy of Nature's Lore, since it can fetch those two and Overgrown Tomb. Also, Dimir Infiltrator is a lot less good now - would recommend replacing it with something like Ponder or if you wanted to up the ramp count, then Kiora's Follower is really good.

As for cards to use from other decks, potentially Monastery Siege could be decent here since it's more cards in the yard for Tasigur.

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