Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+1: Exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card. If you don't, Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 2 damage to each opponent.
+1: Gain .
-3: Chandra, Torch of Defiance deals 4 damage to target creature.
-7: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell, this emblem deals 5 damage to target creature, player or planeswalker."
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance Discussion
1 week ago
May I suggest some cards?
Looks like a super fun deck!
2 weeks ago
I love blue moon lists. I would make a few changes though: The Royal Scions isn't as good as you might think it is. If you want a loot I would play Teferi, Master of Time , otherwise I would be on Jace, the Mind Sculptor if your budget allows or Chandra, Torch of Defiance .
Archmage's Charm is also certainly a must for a deck with this many blue sources. I'd consider adding more removal if possible, try Electrolyze , Izzet Charm , or Prismari Command . I'd definitely shave a blood moon too as they suck ass in duplicates.
Oh, and add a sideboard.
4 weeks ago
Just adding some more thought in, if you were looking to maximise dragon-ness, then i’d recommend the following changes to the above list:
1 month ago
Promise of Loyalty is good here. Nevinyrral's Disk kills everything except your walkers. I also run Jokulhaups but I know not everyone is cool with MLD. It does work nicely with your Smothering Tithe too. Combine with Boros Charm for a win ;)
Pramikon, Sky Rampart and Mystic Barrier help keep your walkers safe from attacks. I run Meekstone as well, but you have some big guys in your list so idk if youd want it. Karmic Justice is a nice deterrent for removal spells.
I run Narset + Wheels, but that's another salty combo so it depends on your group. You have Emergency Powers so Day's Undoing Whirlpool Warrior or Windfall aren't too far off. Add in a Solve the Equation and a Drift of Phantasms to search up the combo.
Ajani Vengeant is another one that you should only run if your group is ok with land destruction.
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is obviously great but I know not everyone has the budget for him.
Tezzeret's Gambit is a flavorful draw spell for 3 generic and 2 life.
Just thoughts. I see you are doing more of a token theme. I personally focus more on wraths and resource denial to keep opponents from advancing their boards until I can get emblems. I admit that everyone HATES my version, but I love it lol. Cool deck.
1 month ago
Thank you so much for your interest in my deck and this thorough suggestion list and comment. So starting off with the draw you suggested, I kinda missed War Room , I am currently making up a list of things I want to change and I'm slightly changing up the pacing and direction and will be adding more draw. So War Room will definitely be one on the list. Tome of Legends is on my list already so thank you for confirmation on a good draw, especially with Norin popping in and out every turn. I don't know why but Endless Atlas doesn't feel too good to me, maybe if it were 1 mana I'd probably throw that in too but as is I'll pass. Humble Defector my current meta isn't super into playing nice politics so I haven't considered this, also the lack of abusable ETB makes me lean against it. I'll probably talk more on my meta at the end of the comment. As for Ignite the Future and Light Up the Stage they have been kinda on a watchlist, the list I'm working on is gonna look to make big plays with a handful of x cost spells so the flashback with Ignite the Future is less spicy in that sense but still a card I'm looking into playtesting a bit.
Moving on to the Ramp suggestions Curse of Opulence seems nice and I will definitely consider it as I change Norin up to keep it feeling a bit more fresh. Dockside Extortionist I haven't picked up yet because I support my LGS as much as possible and they ones I frequent the most haven't had any in stock when I've been there, and the one time they did - money was a factor. As for the crypt and the gauntlet, I have been playing magic for 20 some years now so many of the pricey cards weren't so pricey when I got them and also have had a healthy local trading market. Yes Myriad Landscape is too slow for my liking. You are correct in your assumption that I am not running Ruby Medallion because of the high amount of artifacts I'm running. It will likely be reconsidered. Sword of the Animist seems kinda good on paper, but my meta likes to do lots of spell casting on other peoples turns so I feel bad spending 2 to equip only to have someone cast a spell and make Norin go away. Oh, and as for Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun both are going in with my next big change so stay tuned lol.
Utility & Misc. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is good, I'll consider it but not sure where to fit it in, also she will never live to see her -7 in my meta. Dualcaster Mage wasn't considered because I'm only running 9 sorcery and 1 instant and most of them not super great to duplicate, my new list may change this so I may come back and reconsider. Sunbird's Invocation seems perfect for the new list I'm cooking up, thank you! I will definitely play test that. Blast Zone just seems meh, I don't like the XX cost, I haven't found too many enchantments I've wanted to remove and when I do I make them artifacts and destroy them or take them. Flametongue Kavu and Inferno Titan just seem too expensive for what they do, the Kavu being limited to creatures is a bummer imo. Terror of the Peaks should go on to replace Warstorm Surge I'll have to look into that. And lastly Zealous Conscripts used to be in the deck along with a Goblin Recruiter and Moggcatcher and every game was basically the same, tutor for kiki and either gamble or wheel into zealous it felt boring and I didn't enjoy playing it. Might make a return one day in the right meta.
As for your synergy suggestion, I would add it but my new list is actually going to omit Mind's Eye.
Now for my meta... well I currently find myself in limbo as just a few weeks ago my group had a bit of a falling out. Basically, one of my friends became the direct boss of others in the group and he had to let one of them go from the company during covid lockdowns and it just created a lot of bad blood. Drama aside, we had some people showing up with cEDH decks when others were playing intentionally suboptimal decks and only one other person would play nice politics with me so it was kind of difficult at times. Ridiculous amounts of removal, both targeted and mass, so I typically felt somewhat okay running a bit light on that. Also with reds artifact hate and the ability to turn things into artifacts I never really felt disadvantaged.
As I said a few times I am making some changes and I'll be adding things like Firecat Blitz and Tempt with Vengeance to dump a mass amount of creatures in at once for those warstorm/pandemonium effects. I am currently focusing primarily on a new Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck that you may enjoy, I hope to get it up and made public in the next two or three days. And if you enjoyed this Norin deck for it's low cmc curve you may enjoy the Alesha deck because it's even lower!
Thank you again for taking interest and thanks for the upvote. All of these suggestions are appreciated. :) I hope you have a great weekend.
1 month ago
I like your deck and it's avg cmc. How do you deal with the lack of card draw red has? I see you have some wheels, but without a reliable way to tutor for them or draw into them, wouldn't it be best to add more general card draw to help ensure you don't run out of gas. Have you considered the following....
Humble Defector - Draw + Politics. I use homeward path in my build for this slight synergy and politics with confusion in the ranks. Not needed but fun. Also noteworthy is homeward path's ability to mess with opposing GY shenanigans should they attempt to reanimate ours/other creatures
Curse of Opulence - T1 Norin, T2 Curse. T3 Profit + Politics
Dockside Extortionist - Speaking of treasure, is he not included due to price? I see you have gauntlet of might and mana crypt so I'm unsure if you have budget restrictions
Myriad Landscape - Or is it too slow?
Ruby Medallion - Are you not running this due to it's inability to ramp artifacts? I find it useful nevertheless, especially when trying to dump your hand, I think its potential use outweighs the lack of artifact ramp.
Sword of the Animist - T1 Norin, T2 Sword, T3 Norin grabs the sword, swings at the enemy, runs away back to safety while grabbing a land. I like land ramp due to it being less susceptible to removal and fueling valakut.
Dualcaster Mage - Value + combo with heat shimmer or twinflame should you wish to go that route. Each of those cards fuels ETB synergies as well.
Sunbird's Invocation - Expensive to cast but THE VALUE if it sticks. Hit or miss with many players, but has won me too many games to count. Perhaps my meta might be a bit more relaxed than yours though
Blast Zone - See no way for you to interact with enchantments. This might help should you wish. Nice with crucible
Flametongue Kavu - Removes most creatures, although it kills itself if its the only targettable creature on board
Inferno Titan - Burn, baby burn!
Terror of the Peaks - Burn baby burn part 2!
Zealous Conscripts - ETB value + Combo with Kiki-Jiki
A synergy to put in your description is Honor Shaku + Norin + Mind's eye = Draw during each opponent's draw step by tapping norin to fuel honor and honor to fuel mind's eye
Looking forward to your response to each suggestion. +1, nice deck. Would love to know more about your meta as well.
1 month ago
Brain in a Jar nets you almost no value, with Lightning Strike being the only card that would benefit since you have to pay a mana into it to get the effect. Wild Slash requires a lot of legwork to get the useful part of the effect, which is the unpreventable damage.
Bonecrusher Giant , Skullcrack , and Insult / Injury are better includes than Wild Slash, if only because it's a guaranteed 'damage can't be prevented' effect as well as damage. As for walkers, Chandra, Torch of Defiance would likely do better than Chandra, Flame's Catalyst . Comes out earlier, has a mana ability, and is strong creature spot removal in a pinch. Burning for face is important, but you definitely need to keep your opponent's board state in check at the same time.
2 months ago
Hi Hercules23 :)
thanks for your input. I also had Feldon as the commander before Purphoros and I completely agree with you. The same goes for your description about red and MLD (I also have a Ruric Thar whose strategy is exactly what you described, by breaking parity with MLD). This is why I never considered including MLD in Purphy B.
Regarding the MDFC Lands, this deck generally cannot play upfront (it happened like two times for me) so having lands enter the battlefield tapped when you need them untapped is less punishing for this deck (unlike for a combo deck or interaction heavy decks, those decks really need untapped lands) However, I agree that the cost of them coming into play tapped is meta dependant. I wouldnt want to play those cards if my meta is highly tuned and the games are over at turn 6 in average. In my meta, the games take a bit longer and having them come into play tapped is rarely a downside because of the philosophy of this deck/my playstyle: I either am not being attacked by my opponents because I often have open mana (I might have a fatty to cheat into play to block their haymakers/valuable creatures) or I am just not threatening (either because I dont even have Purphy B. out or no real hand to deliver fatal damage). In all those cases, drawing a MDFC land from the top with no other lands in hand in a situation in which I really need a untapped land is rarely a real downside because of the reasons stated above. This might seem not convincing, but I played and still play this deck a ton and have >50 games with the MDFC lands included and it happened only once or twice where it really hurt. There were far more games in which these niche "extra" spells performed extremely good, especially Kazuul's Fury Flip. Spikefield Hazard Flip also plays better than it looks, there are many value creatures with toughness 1 and Spikefield Hazard also prevents reanimation shenanigans and graveyard based combos which your opponents never expect from a mono red deck with only one mountain untapped. I can totally see your point though and understand you having doubts about those inclusions. I can just say: You should really give them a try :)
Keldon Firebombers You are totally right, the wheel argument I made is a weak one, I tried to justify my cut :D But still, I had to cut something. This list is so tight... It seems rather easy to cut other stuff like Bolt or Abrade but this would be the wrong way.
Ryusei, the Falling Star the "without flying" part is a real downside, at least in my meta. I'd rather have unconditional mass damage like in Crater Hellion and for most creatures 4 damage is enough :)
Spinerock Knoll Damn, that one totally flew under my radar, thanks for pointing that out!
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion Yeah I was thinking about this one before. You are completely right, it cycles through my hand and even better: It costs 4 mana and can be thus played before Purphy B. which is a huge advantage: Many of the value creatures like Neheb, the Eternal or Terror of the Peaks cost 5 cmc which makes it wierd and not optimal since Purphy B. need to be played asap. I haven't found a cut for this Neheb, as I'd rather have a wheel effect. The wheel costs less mana and gives me unconditionally a new hand whereas this Neheb needs to connect. Also, you can never generate card advantage with this card. The "downside" of a wheel though (my opponents get a new hand) can be neglected as I am usually the person with the emptiest hand and thus gain the most value of a wheel. If I weren't playing all those wheel effects I would totally play this card :)
Extra Combat cards: Yeah, they are soooo good and you are again right^^ I am honest, so far I have 2 extra combat step cards in my list Scourge of the Throne and Moraug, Fury of Akoum and I haven't felt the need for more extra combat step cards. I guess I could include one more card. If you include to many of those extra combat step cards, you will reach a treshold at which they become less effective since you have less "beef" that benefit from those extra step cards. This is also why I decided against both the cards you mentioned in favor for the scourge and Moraug: They are themselves big beaters and can deal insane amount of damage without the help of other beaters. Moraug alone won me games (I had devotion of 5, so that Purphy B. was able to attack and I had 2 fetch lands available). Also, winning with Purphy B. mostly boils down to one explosive combat step. Combant Celebrant with "only" one extra combat step is certainly worse. Port Razer has the potential to have more than one extra combat step, but he needs to connect which is not guaranteed at all. Granted, Scourge also provides only one extra combat step, but, as I said, this guy is beefy on its own, and a dragon for Dragon's Hoard .
Everflowing Chalice I missed that one :) thanks
Regarding MLD: I completely agree with everything you said (it really is silly for green mages to complain while they stomp faces with 20 mana on turn 6) except for one thing: You won't win a game "fast" with 3 mana left and Purphy B. out after setting everything back with MLD or resource denial. You beat face for one time and then your creature dies. You might have Mimic Vat or Sundial of the Infinite or any other recursion but half of the MLD cards also destroy artifacts. You also need to get back to 3 mana after MLD cards like Jokulhaups / Obliterate which will be troublesome as those cards cost 6-7 mana, so you probably already played most if not all of your lands and rocks. If you reach that game state in which you have 6-7 mana available your hand is most likely rather empty, so you most likely wont have enough beater to deal with the whole table. "Not having enough beater to deal with the whole table" is exactly why you usually cannot play upfront with this commander. This is why you actually need your opponents to deal damage among them, so you can close out the game in an explosive turn with your limited beef (see philosophy, and yes, this is why this deck usually sucks hard if only combo and blue mages are on the table). MLD and also stuff like Smoke / Mudslide actually prevents exactly that: Since you are denying your opponents resources, they will stay at high life points which means that your average beater (that was cheated into play and dies after one turn) is just not enough. You'd rather want to hardcast them in this state of the game which is impossible though because of MLD. My point is: I do not thinkg that having an indestructible commander is a reason enough for playing MLD. You would need card- and mana-generating permanents like Chandra, Torch of Defiance or Outpost Siege that won't get destroyed by MLD.
Treasonous Ogre and Alena: I dont really see the need of having big mana in this deck. It is counterintuitive as this deck is all about circumventing the big mana costs with the ability of Purphy B. Maybe you can convince me otherwise :)? I could see those cards worth running, if your meta adapted to your commander by always saving the removal card for him. This is actually the biggest weakness of this deck. Handling Purphy B. once is devastating as 7 cmc is not always in reach.
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx True, no real downside, but the devotion of this deck is usually quite low as there is almost no board presence except for the turns in which you attack. It might be advantageous in exactly those moments to have 2-3 more mana available during that turn, maybe just enough to cheat an additional creature into play. Just be careful not to include too many of colorless lands :)