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Crux of Fate
Choose one —
- Destroy all Dragon creatures
- Destroy all non-Dragon creatures.
1 week ago
What a nicely written Baldur's Gate Update MattN7498!!
When Wrathful Red Dragon got spoiled i also knew right from the start this is gonna be a staple in Dragon Tribal Decks, period. Same goes for Thrakkus the Butcher. Doubling the attackpower of every Dragon you control? Insane. Giving them trample via Garruk's Uprising for example and double strike via Atarka, World Render or a quick The Ur-Dragon trigger into Sylvia Brightspear in addition and we look at a pretty effective Overrun.
I think we still don't quite get how powerful Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm will be in this deck, it's gonna be almost hilarious. Double Terror of the Peaks and Scourge of Valkas triggers are going to make me smile, haha.
I switched Crux of Fate (i know, i know..) for Blasphemous Act as my Playgroup tends to steal my cards, so they use Crux of Fate to wipe the board with all my dragons or i can't wipe their board as they control MY dragons. With Blasphemous Act i make sure everything dies and comes back to MY graveyard, it also serves as a finisher with Blasphemous Act + Wrathful Red Dragon , shoot x times 13 Damage at non-Dragon targets, including life totals, where x is the number of Dragons you control. With Blasphemous Act you also have yet another way to get your Dragons into the Graveyard for mass reanimation spells like Patriarch's Bidding, Living Death, Haunting Voyage or Twilight's Call.
By the way I really like Twilight's Call as you can play it at instant speed which can be a game changer for example when someone tries to exile our graveyard. More often then not did the Foretell mechanic of Haunting Voyage hindered me by ONE turn to win the game and made me loose, which is why i changed it to Twilight's Call.
In general, you were a HUGE inspiration for my own iteration of an The Ur-Dragon Deck and i always come back to your Primer when i need some advice or thoughts on cards. So thank you for the write-up!
Some day I would love to show you my The Ur-Dragon Deck, as i would very much appreciate to hear your thoughts on some of my card picks! (I still need to post it on tappedout..)
2 weeks ago
Mana Drain is nice, but I am usually not a fan of it in a deck with 4 or more colors
With this being 5 color, I am trying to debate the best early game package
5 counterspells (from below)
4-5 board wipes
7 2 drop ramps (need all)
4 spot removal
2 months ago
Some more cards to consider (as per your request): Old Gnawbone. Read the card. That's a lot of treasure when all your creatures have a ton of power. | Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund. Gives your dragons haste, untaps them, and (in the odd case you are playing a Dragon ditto), steals your opponent's dragons. Forever. | Dragon's Hoard, if you want another mana rock that works well with dragons. I also like Component Pouch, especially in a deck where your commander in all 5 colours, but that's mostly just me. | Rishkar's Expertise. Refill your hand, cast something for free. Genesis Ultimatum allows you to cheat in more stuff, but doesn't allow you to refill your hand, and it costs more to cast. | Farseek, especially if you decide to run the Tri-cycle lands (which I recommend). I'm going to avoid talking about lands, but cards like Spara's Headquarters and Raugrin Triome are really nice, especially for 5-colour decks. And, yes, Farseek can find Spara's Headquarters. Headquarters is both a plains, and an island. Rampant Growth and Nature's Lore can also fill this "2-mana sorcery that ramps" slot, depending on what you can find (if this is paper). Three Visits is just Nature's Lore, but Lore's name communicates the mechanics of the card better. | Swords to Plowshares/Path to Exile. Exile a creature, for 1 mana, at instant speed. I like Swords better for commander because I find that life is less of an advantage than an extra land. Other removal options include - and are not limited to - (and I may have mentioned some of these already, so sorry if I did) Beast Within, Generous Gift, Anguished Unmaking, Assassin's Trophy, Despark, Chaos Warp, Wear / Tear, Hide / Seek, Bedevil, Vindicate, Baleful Mastery, and Vanishing Verse. | Patriarch's Bidding, if you want some mass reanimation. | I didn't see very many board wipes. Granted, you want more pin-point removal than board wipes, but you still might want a few. I'll recommend Farewell (6 mana to get around indestructible, and nuke many different target, AND act as graveyard hate), Merciless Eviction (for planeswalkers), Cleansing Nova (cheaper than Farewll, and probably easier to find, but less flexible), Cyclonic Rift (7 mana to get all of your opponents permanents off the board, and set them back a few turns as they reset), Supreme Verdict (only hits creatures, but uncounterable, and cheap to cast) and/or Vanquish the Horde (for token decks). You do have Ruinous Ultimatum and Descent of the Dragons (or Crux of Fate, if you happen to get it), and I like to run 3-4 total, so choose the ones that most effectively clear the table in your playgroup. Although I have seen and heard some people run as low as 2.
For both the removal and board wipe sections, choose whatever quantities and options are working best at removing the threats you frequently go up against. If you are building this in paper (specially if the deck is sleeved), I'd recommend asking your playgroup if it is OK for you to print out proxy copies of cards for playtesting, then (once you have decided what options you like) buying those cards. Ask your friends first, though, I know not everyone is OK with proxies.
These are all just suggestions to get your mind thinking. You don't have to run all of these, but they are here if you need inspiration or help.
If you want, I can link some of the dragon/tribal decks I've made on tappedout, just as a reference point for what I like.
3 months ago
I would like to say, before I say anything else, that the first few decks people build often have a bunch that could be fixed, so if it seems like I wrote an essay, I'm not trying to be overly critical. My first deck was a mono-white Angel Tribal Lifegain deck that had no real payoff for gaining life. Needless to say, it had a lot that could have been done, and my next deck was one of the Commander Pre-Cons from C18. I'd also like to say that these are just observations.
For cuts, I can see a few. Several of the planeswalkers seem only sort-of related, so you could get away with dropping some of them (like Gideon Blackblade and Ajani Steadfast). I'm not sure why Blackblade Reforged is in. It is great for go tall decks, where you want 1 really big creature (usually made big using equipments and/or auras), but in a go wide deck like this one, I'm not sure if you need it. Plus, dragons are fairly big on their own. | Chaplain's Blessing. I know gaining 5 life might seem good, but I've come to realize that gaining a bunch of life isn't very good without something like Aetherflux Reservoir. And at that point, I think a better option is to build around Aetherflux Reservoir, not dragons. | Not entirely sure what Bag of Holding is doing. | There are a few dragons that don't seem to be doing much, with the way your deck currently is. There doesn't seem to be a lot of instants/sorceries for Backdraft Hellkite get back. There aren't a lot of +1/+1 counter synergies, so Enduring Scalelord isn't doing a ton. There aren't a lot of artifacts, so Hellkite Igniter isn't getting the absurd amount of damage output that I've done with it, myself. It does have haste, but a 5/5 hasty flyer for 7 isn't super great. Unless you can give it deathtouch, most things in commander aren't bothered by Shockmaw Dragon's combat damage trigger. There aren't a lot of 2-colour spells for Niv-Mizzet Reborn to see off the top. | Dictate of Erebos can be brutal, but usually in aristocrat-style decks, where you want your own things to die.
Some other things I've noticed: Crux of Fate is a cheaper Descent of the Dragons that is also one sided. | About the Sarkhan question, I've always thought that Sarkhan the Masterless is kind of funny, and he can act as a deterrent for attacks (or a magnet, depending on board state). | 5 mana counterspells seems nice, but often end up being rather underwhelming, more often than not. | Fight effects (like Clash of Titans) are nice, but in a 5-colour deck, you also have cards like Path to Exile, Bedevil, Anguished Unmaking, Generous Gift, or Chaos Warp, that don't need you to have a big creature, and don't need you to put that creature at risk. | I feel like you could use a bit more ramp. I'd recommend a few of the guild signets from Ravnica, Arcane Signet and Farseek. | The Ur-Dragon was the out-of-the-box Commander for a 5-colour dragon tribal commander deck from C17. Usually he is the head of a dragon tribal deck, but he's still powerful in the 99.
All of this is just my opinion, with my own biases, and I'm still learning a fair bit myself, so take it with a grain of salt. Playtest it, see what works and what doesn't. See what you like, and what you don't. I will admit that I prefer more aggressive play as opposed to a slower, more control heavy style, so that may influence my choices, and I've also been (partially) traumatized by a few planeswalker decks before, so I don't really like them that much (although I do like the concept and design of them).
Lastly, I don't know if you have any pet cards or any cards that you are running because you like them (even if it may be not as good), so if a personal favorite is listed among the cuts, feel free to ignore that. Magic IS about having fun, at the end of the day. And, yes, Dragon Tribal is glorious!
3 months ago
I do have Crux of Fate! Its been in the deck from the beginning. That's pretty much the reasoning for Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. I play them in other decks where they are very powerful (my elves and Teysa decks respectively), but I don't really find them super necessary here. I've never had much trouble with my mana base. The key seems to be running every 2cmc green ramp spell there is along with Cultivate and Kodama's Reach.
I might think about Rhystic Study and/or Mystic Remora. It's pretty hard to go wrong with the former, and the latter would actually help most mid and late game when most people are playing multiple spells per turn. I would probably put Rhystic Study in most of my decks if I had multiple copies (I'm glad I picked up a bunch of Smothering Tithe when it was cheap). I could probably proxy it and Mystic Remora (which I run in my planeswalker deck) since I do own the card, but I find that a bit tedious.
Thanks again for the comments and suggestions!
3 months ago
I'm glad you found some of my suggestions helpful. Since you can rarely have too much draw in EDH, have you considered Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora? I've found both to be helpful, even late game, against semi-competitive decks that can maintain gas.
Is the reason you don't run Urborg or Yavimaya because of $ and your landbase doesn't find them necessary?
Lastly, Crux of Fate > Kindred Dominance