Savage Ventmaw

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Vintage Legal

Savage Ventmaw

Creature — Dragon

Flying

Whenever this attacks, gain . You don't lose this mana at the end of steps and phases until the end of your turn.

multimedia on Miirym’s Temur Dragons

2 weeks ago

Hey, you're welcome.

Sure, an Ancient Dragon would fit, but I don't think Ancient Bronze Dragon or all the other Ancient Dragons are worth their price. All are wildly overpriced since their power relies on randomness of the die. Yes, you could roll a 20, but you could also roll a 1. For the price of one Ancient Dragon you could instead make quite a few card upgrades.

A lower price Dragon to consider adding is Hellkite Charger because it's an infinite attack combo with Savage Ventmaw. Miirym creates a copy of Ventmaw, then two attacking Ventmaws + Charger can infinite trigger Charger as long as all three Dragons can keep attacking. Dragons like to attack, an infinite attack combo as wincon helps.

Niv-Mizzet, Parun is really good in multiplayer Commander and when you control two Niv then it can be a huge advantage. Irenicus's Vile Duplication is new card in Dominaria United and it's powerful for less than $3. Make a token copy of Miirym or any other Dragon you control.

Slashdance on Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm: Double Dragon

4 weeks ago

Yeah, basically Cursed Mirror or Doubling Season result in more dragons than exist tokens in the universe, lol. Good stuff!

@ Vlasiax Maybe Savage Ventmaw has a place in the deck, but I'm not sure about Aggravated Assault. The combo is good, but having to make room for them might be an issue, and off theme a bit. I'll leave that to Forkbeard.

I have a Sylvan Library, but actually took it out of my other dragon deck. No doubt it's strong, but with some already synergistic card draw available already, it felt like a "win more" card for my particular deck. I don't have a mana crypt, but if I did I don't think I'd use it, but that's just more of me keeping the power level of my deck in check.

TypicalTimmy on Imoti in a Miirym deck

1 month ago

Well, Niv is copied upon ETB, not cast.

So Niv sits on the stack while you Cascade into one of the others.

I actually added Maelstrom Wanderer during my last upgrade to test the waters with it. But your idea likely is a bit more stable.

I was actually thinking of adding Kruphix, God of Horizons to hold onto the mana from Savage Ventmaw and Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient as well as just generally pooling unused mana. Even considered Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy to bypass the whole draw, cast and mana issues. Getting 7+ mana is easy. Getting something to use it on? Eh not so much.

thefiresoflurve on Thousands of health? Not a problem

1 month ago

Capricopian -> Protean Hydra? Both enter as 4 mana 3/3s, and while

1) Protean Hydra doesn't interact with Genesis Hydra very well 2) Protean Hydra doesn't have inherent Trample Buuuut

Protean Hydra can get hella huge super quick. :D (Also people can't bribe it)

Steelbane Hydra is also great for repeated artifact/enchantment removal in creature form (albeit a bit expensive).

if you end up adding Aggravated Assault, you should also consider Bear Umbra and Savage Ventmaw, since those are good value cards in and of themselves that will also win games on the spot with an Aggravated Assault out.

TypicalTimmy on How do You Bling-Out Your …

1 month ago

I go for specific print runs. Those with bolder, darker or more vibrant colors depending on what I am going for. I'm a bit busy, but here is a quick example.

Savage Ventmaw has a few printings now, but the print from Dragons of Tarkir comes both with the Temur watermark and has the darker colors on the Dragon, making the flame look more alive and powerful.

While this may be difficult to notice, here is a better example. Flameblast Dragon from Shards of Alara may be the oldest and thus the most valuable, but I prefer the coloring of Commander 2018 because the glow in the fire and the lighting it casts upon her body and wings and scales looks far more intense.

So, for me, since I'm the one who has to look at them and play with them, I want colors that pop. Be it shading, illumination, vibrance or anything else that properly suits the card art in question.

thefiresoflurve on Obuun, The Hated

2 months ago

If only Retreat to Coralhelm were in color. You could use the ole Aggravated Assault + Savage Ventmaw combo to get the same effect, but at that point you have infinite mana and damage anyway....

TypicalTimmy on Mirrym goes infinite with Ganax …

3 months ago

Just discovered this.

Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm goes infinite with Ganax, Astral Hunter. Here's what happens:

With Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm in play, cast and resolve Ganax, Astral Hunter. Miirym creates a NON-LEGENDARY token copy of Ganax.

Normally Ganax would ETB and create a treasure for himself. However, prior to Ganax resolving, stack Miirym in front of him. Miirym resolves and she creates the token.

The token of Ganax will see itself and make you a treasure token.

OG Ganax will see the token and give you a treasure token.

OG Ganax will also see himself, giving you your third treasure token.

The way this can be turned infinite is with Parallel Lives or a similar token doubler. Because now what actually happens is a little more complicated.

  • Ganax ETB
  • Miirym triggers above Ganax's ETB effect
  • Miirym creates her token copy of Ganax
  • Parallel Lives gives you a 2nd copy
  • These two copies see each other
  • +2 treasure - one from each seeing the other
  • +2 treasure - one from each seeing themselves
  • OG Ganax sees two Dragons ETB
  • +2 more treasure
  • OG Ganax sees himself as well
  • +1 treasure

But recall, Parallel Lives sees all of this happening and is going to double all of those treasure tokens, too. So your +7 treasure are now +14.

You're about to run out of gas if you don't have draw. So, slap some draw on top of this. Garruk's Uprising, Temur Ascendancy, Kindred Discovery, etc. Anything that draws you a card whenever a creature ETB. Works best if they do not care if it is a token or nontoken creature. So a card such as Guardian Project does help, but it won't draw you for the tokens.

If you have something such as Garruk's Uprising, you will have drawn +3 cards. +1 for OG Ganax, +1 for the token Miirym created and +1 for the token Parallel Lives gave you.

If, within any of these three, you draw another appropriate Dragon (Or already had one in your hand), you have now gone infinite. Because if you cast, say, your Savage Ventmaw what happens is the following:

  • All three Ganax see Savage Ventmaw
  • Before you resolve their treasure triggers, you have Miirym + Parallel Lives
  • You get a total of x3 treasure for OG Ventmaw
  • x3 treasure for the 1st token
  • x3 for the 2nd token
  • You draw +3 more cards for Garruk's Uprising (Or the draw engine of your choice)
  • And recall, Parallel Lives doubles your treasure, as well. So that +9 treasure just became +18

So you just spent 6 mana to produce 18 mana, and you just played 1 card to draw 3 cards.

As long as you have a sufficient density of Dragons in your deck, you are now infinite.


Alternatively to a token doubler such as Parallel Lives, you can use Goldspan Dragon to allow your treasures to add x2 mana. If you do this, it'll work as well. This is because if you have two Ganax online and you get two Savage Ventmaw, you will produce x4 total treasure tokens, but these x4 will produce x8 total mana.

So it'll be tighter on mana costs, but still gets you ahead.

However, you won't draw as many cards, so you may sputter out a bit too soon. So while Goldspan Dragon is an appropriate stand-in, she is like Guardian Project in that she is not as efficient as some other options.


If you really want to be dumb about it all, you can make it infinitely more janky.

You require: Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm, Ganax, Astral Hunter, March of the Machines and something such as Crucible of Fire.

I think you can figure out what happens here, if you add Maskwood Nexus into the mix, haha.

  • And note: Neither Miirym nor Ganax are "may" abilities. You absolutely must create the tokens. So if you do not have an ETB damage effect, such as Dragon Tempest, to take down life totals - yes, this is a TRUE infinite loop that will cause the game to end. Lmao. Don't see too many of those anymore, do we?! :D

TypicalTimmy on I have Esix and Ganax …

3 months ago

This deck is absolutely bonkers. I just finished another playtest (not against any players; Just testing to find themes, synergies, combos, curves, etc) and ended Turn 7 with the following:

Along with (according to the screenshot) 58 cards in hand.

I "ended" the turn when I ran out of mana, lolol

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