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Creature — Dragon
Whenever this attacks, gain . You don't lose this mana at the end of steps and phases until the end of your turn.
debuf on infinite rats
3 weeks ago
ok, I just play against my friend with the dragon deck and I think it might need some more mana producers or cheap fear.
His commander is Atarka, World Render, and here are some cards that I now know are in his deck: Foe-Razer Regent, Furnace Whelp, Rapacious Dragon, Atarka Monument, Frontier Siege, Vandalblast, Sweltering Suns, Talisman of Impulse, Akoum Hellkite, Harbinger of the Hunt, Dream Pillager, Sol Ring, Dragonmaster Outcast, Dragonspeaker Shaman, Savage Ventmaw, Dragonlord's Servant, Tyrant's Familiar, Thunderbreak Regent, and Drakuseth, Maw of Flames.
thefiresoflurve on The Zacaning
3 months ago
Hey, there! This looks really fun :)
As far as making things a little more competitive, one thing I can offer is: As someone who runs an Esper combo deck, one of the biggest things you can do for a combo deck is to make your combos synergize better with everything else in your deck, and not just each other.
Right now, I see Lurking Roper/Famished Paladin, Presence of Gond, and Healer of the Pride as an infinite combo where each piece is 1) hard to tutor, and 2) doesn't synergize with your overall gameplan of massive creatures dishing out damage.
An alternative infinite combo that synergizes better is Savage Ventmaw and Aggravated Assault, since both those cards do things with the rest of the deck without each other.
So, if I did the switch over to a more synergistic set of cards, I recommend replacing:
Ageless Entity -> Lathiel, the Bounteous Dawn
Colossal Dreadmaw -> Blossoming Bogbeast
Enduring Angel Flip -> Archivist of Oghma - enduring angel looks dope, but your life total shouldn't hit zero.
Famished Paladin -> Faeburrow Elder
Healer of the Pride -> Serra Ascendant (just broken in EDH).
Verdant Sun's Avatar -> Old Gnawbone
Wall of Reverence -> Smothering Tithe
Presence of Gond -> Armadillo Cloak
Elemental Mastery -> Kenrith's Transformation
Alhammarret's Archive -> Aggravated Assault
The idea behind some of the picks is to get lifegain ability out a bit more consistently, and create fuel to power your giant creatures. I also don't know what your budget looks like, so full disclaimer there: some of the cards I recommended are expensive.
Guerric on [Primer] Unleash the Dragon! *Updated*
5 months ago
Hi everyone! At long last I've updated the list with some of the ancient dragons that I think will work best in the deck list.
The second is actually Ancient Gold Dragon. Kudos to AJohnney101 for pointing this out! It's not just good with Dragon Tempest. It's also good for our other cards that care about the number of dragons attacking, such as Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury who can easily kill a table with enough dragons on board, or to a lesser extend Dromoka, the Eternal. It can also wipe any board with Silumgar, the Drifting Death or add some 6/6s to the 1/1s with Utvara Hellkite. There's just a lot of combos and lines of play here that are really good. We'll cut Kairi, the Swirling Sky for it which isn't super great and certainly nowhere near as great as this.
Ancient Brass Dragon intrigued me initially, but at best it's a second copy of Teneb, the Harvester that doesn't take mana to activate, but which will whiff sometimes. Having a second copy of Teneb is considerable, but the risk of whiffing is as well, so I'm still on the fence.
Ancient Copper Dragon is also amazing and I wouldn't critique anyone adding that, but I think I'm good at the moment with Old Gnawbone and Savage Ventmaw for rampy dragons and am not at the present time investing a slot or money in it.
I also think AJohnney101's suggestion of Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm is intriguing. I can definitely see the value in making copies of not just Miirym but other dragons we want to reanimate, and there would be a lot of fun to be had with mass reanimation on this one. The ward is also not nothing, as this could also be played to nullify removal at Scion if someone holds up one for Path to Exile of can't otherwise pay to overcome the ward. I'll definitely keep this in mind!
Thanks for all the fabulous suggestions! My replies are mostly in the update list above. I also agree that late game we can usually run this deck just fine without Scion. He's a great tool to get us going, but we have lots of tricks to close out the game and a great toolbox.
I don't have Fellwar Stone because I am in green and don't really need many mana rocks. Rampant Growth and its many clones do most of my work here. I've only included Chromatic Lantern because of the incredible utility it provides to my mana base. I can see the case for Faithless Looting or as AJohnney101 suggested Amass the Components and the like. That being said, I in dislike in general one-off effects in a deck like this which often just aren't as useful as a piece that could give me repeat value, but that might be just me!
Thanks for the compliment! For the BG dragons see the update above
As usual, thanks for all of your valuable contributions to the deck and primer. They appreciated!
multimedia on Miirym Dragon Tribal Deck
5 months ago
Hey, well done so far for a first deck with a $500+ budget.
34 lands and only 9 reliable ramp sources is low for Dragons. The land count is fine, but only if you add more low mana cost ramp. Add more lands or add more ramp? Tempt with Discovery relies on opponents to be ramp and Thaumatic Compass Flip relies on you controlling seven or more lands to be ramp. These aren't reliable as ramp and they cost too much mana for what you get.
In simplest terms there's two areas you want most with Miirym, ramp and Dragons. Ramp to first cast 6 mana Miirym and Dragons to cast after Miirym. Of course you want other areas too, but most important are these two. Consider expanding on ramp?
- Nature's Lore, Farseek
- Cursed Mirror
- Jade Orb of Dragonkind, Fellwar Stone
- Shadow in the Warp
- Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Nature's Lore, Farseek are more good two drop land ramp like Three Visits. Cursed Mirror is excellent with blink, if you blink the copied creature then that blinks Mirror which can then ETB as a copy of some other creature including an opponent's creature. You can also choose to have it just ETB as a mana rock which is needed for a combo.
Jade Orb of Dragonkind gives protection from targeted removal until your next turn for the Dragon you cast with it. This effect is helpful since paying a lot of mana to cast a Dragon to then have it killed is feels bad. Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner untap ability is versatile, any permanent you control, it's also repeatable draw when a Dragon ETB including a token.
There's 100+ of different Dragons you could play with a $500+ budget and having Old Gnawbone as a price point? Consider upgrading some Dragons?
These Dragons can be parts of wincon combos and they're made much better thanks to Miiryn copying them. All these Dragons don't break the bank and adding them can really increase the power level of your deck.
- Hellkite Charger + Old Gnawbone = infinite combat steps, attacks.
- Astral Dragon + Cursed Mirror = infinite Astrals with haste.
- Niv-Mizzet, Parun + Tandem Lookout = draw as much of your library as you want.
- Wrathful Red Dragon + Blasphemous Act = do a ton of damage to opponents.
What's nice about these combos are they all use a Dragon. All the cards are good by themselves, but with the Dragon and/or Miirym they're much better. Tandem Lookout can be repeatable draw that can change creature it's bonded too. Bond to any creature you control before Miirym, then bond to Miirym and when you're ready bond to Niv-Mizzet. Bond to any Dragon who can do repeatable noncombat damage to opponents such as Scourge of Valkas for lots of draw.
- Goldspan Dragon, Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient
- Iymrith, Desert Doom, Ancient Silver Dragon
- Steel Hellkite
Getting more value: ramp, draw or removal from Dragons can help gameplay. Steel Hellkite + Old Gnawbone/Savage Ventmaw mana can wreck especially when you have multiple Hellkites.
If you're interested I offer more advice in another comment. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
TypicalTimmy on Double dragons
6 months ago
Mind if I ask how you got Atarka to say "thick"?
As for Miirym, what I do is go for a three-pronged approach: Ramp (excluded, all decks should have ramp), ETB effects, draw and doubling or copying effects.
Miirym at her core is a value-driven Commander. You want each spell to have weight and merit. That weight might not be immediately accessible, but your ultimate goal should be to overwhelm and overpower. Yes, you are prone to wraths, rifts, counterspells, prisons, taxes, etc but that is really a problem that belies all decks, indeed all formats. Though, some to a lesser degree. Regardless, the key here is saturation.
For example, Miirym will create a token copy of any dragon that enters the battlefield under your control, yes? Therefore, spells and permanents that take advantage of this will reign supreme. I see you have Dragon Tempest and Warstorm Surge, so you're off to a good start. As do you have Garruk's Uprising and Temur Ascendancy.
So fundamentally you already understand the core concepts of Miirym.
I see you also have Adrix and Niv and Reflections. These are a good start. The issue here is that just 2 cards out of the whole deck are going to largely be unseen throughout multiple games. You want consistency. Cards such as Parallel Lives or Doubling Season work really well, as does Progenitor Mimic.
My decks also run a much more dense population of ramp in the way of mana rocks, also. Drawing cards does no good if you can't cast them. Speaking of which, Sneak Attack doesn't require you to cast the dragon, but she will still copy it. That's something to consider.
A really good closer is Furnace of Wrath or anything that can double your damage. I see you have Atarka, World Render which is a great addition especially in and against pronounced aerial combat scenarios. However, being able to stack doubling damage is also a wonderful thing.
My particular deck relies heavily on ETB damage effects, which can be used to clear the way for assaults. Since my Dragons have numerous ways to garner haste, it means that I can decimate threats, then attack my opponent's life points directly - oops, wrong tcg
A wonderful addition is Frontier Siege for this very reason. While it does risk my own dragon dying, it also is wonderful removal in general. Notice that it is a "may" ability, which means I do not have to allow my dragon to die to a much larger threat. Then again, if Miirym is in play, I'm effectively getting 2 spot-removals for the price of one. Alternatively, if I am against a faster opponent or a combo-centric deck, I can always choose Khans and opt to add instead.
A wonderful addition to the deck, I see you have Savage Ventmaw and Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient is Old Gnawbone. Don't be afraid to add more legendary dragons to your list, because the clone copies that Miirym make are specifically listed as non-legendary, which I feel is where her true power comes from.
Speaking of which, one supremely strong utility creature in the deck is Hellkite Tyrant. Since EDH players make large use of artifacts, but artifact removal is scarce, you can take full advantage of this and steal their toys right out from under their noses. You also gain the ability, with haste, to strip the resources of two opponents at once! And if you make an additional token copy, you can hit all three and be miles ahead of the competition.
Just realize that a well-oiled Miirym deck will make you public enemy #1. Expect some archenemy matches in your near future. And don't be surprised when players hold grudges and retaliations against you. I once played against a guy who singularly focused on me for an entire game, despite me doing literally nothing because I had no ramp and wasn't drawing into lands. But that's a story for another day.
TypicalTimmy on Favorite pulls you've had
7 months ago
Have you ever had a pack where you open it and your heart just skips a beat, because you pulled something you've been wanting or were completely not expecting?
The reason I am asking is because Facebook sent me a notification that today, seven years ago on 10/12/2015 I pulled a Savage Ventmaw. This was a few months after I began playing.
Never heard of the card before. So I posted a picture of it and captioned it with:
- "Bought a booster pack when I went shopping today and got this beast of a card in it. Ironically, I literally just built a RG deck last night all about slamming down instant and sorcery damage on red, and raising armies on green. Oh, sweet god this is gonna be great."
Long time friends and followers of mine on here know how much Savage Ventmaw means to me, and I can't believe I actually have that moment immortalized on Facebook.
Genuinely brought back some old, happy memories of sitting in Steak & Shake and / or IHOP after work with my friends, learning the game and playing after a long 3rd shift in a factory.
Do you have any cards like that? Memorable pulls, that mean something to you?
multimedia on Miirym’s Temur Dragons
8 months ago
Hey, you're welcome.
Sure, an Ancient Dragon would fit, but I don't think Ancient Bronze Dragon or all the other Ancient Dragons are worth their price. All are wildly overpriced since their power relies on randomness of the die. Yes, you could roll a 20, but you could also roll a 1. For the price of one Ancient Dragon you could instead make quite a few card upgrades.
A lower price Dragon to consider adding is Hellkite Charger because it's an infinite attack combo with Savage Ventmaw. Miirym creates a copy of Ventmaw, then two attacking Ventmaws + Charger can infinite trigger Charger as long as all three Dragons can keep attacking. Dragons like to attack, an infinite attack combo as wincon helps.
Niv-Mizzet, Parun is really good in multiplayer Commander and when you control two Niv then it can be a huge advantage. Irenicus's Vile Duplication is new card in Dominaria United and it's powerful for less than $3. Make a token copy of Miirym or any other Dragon you control.
Slashdance on Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm: Double Dragon
9 months ago
Yeah, basically Cursed Mirror or Doubling Season result in more dragons than exist tokens in the universe, lol. Good stuff!
@ Vlasiax Maybe Savage Ventmaw has a place in the deck, but I'm not sure about Aggravated Assault. The combo is good, but having to make room for them might be an issue, and off theme a bit. I'll leave that to Forkbeard.
I have a Sylvan Library, but actually took it out of my other dragon deck. No doubt it's strong, but with some already synergistic card draw available already, it felt like a "win more" card for my particular deck. I don't have a mana crypt, but if I did I don't think I'd use it, but that's just more of me keeping the power level of my deck in check.
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