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- Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth
- Basalt Monolith + Mana Reflection
- Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric Orb
- Basalt Monolith + Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient + Mycosynth Lattice
- Basalt Monolith + Crackdown Construct
- Basalt Monolith + Dross Scorpion + Dross Scorpion + Ethersworn Adjudicator + Mycosynth Lattice
- Basalt Monolith + Dramatic Reversal
- Basalt Monolith + Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter
- Basalt Monolith + Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient + Signpost Scarecrow
- Basalt Monolith + Biomancer's Familiar
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Basalt Monolith doesn't untap during your untap step.
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1 month ago
Oh, Manifold Key doesn't untap it's self, not a combo piece...
Hm, interesting point about the Twig and Amulet... Yeah, I guess it is mostly for the getting an artifact in the graveyard... They do act very similar to just a land, but they have that potential to count for . They're kind of like artifact versions of Blasted Landscape. I think Burnished Hart and Kuldotha Forgemaster are the only other cards included that put artifacts in the graveyard? I don't really want to rely on my artifacts getting destroyed by someone else to get that cost reduction...
Codex Shredder is also on my short list of cards to include. I'm always surprised at how useful this card is. It can mill an opponent's Vampiric Tutor or Sensei's Divining Top away, and can also help fill my graveyard with card types, although it's hit or miss with that, it usually flips a land or artifact, and worst case a cool creature... I think I don't actually have any cards that can get something back from the graveyard right now...
I have considered Karn, the Great Creator, especially because it can be a Planeswalker in the graveyard, but I ultimately don't really want my Planeswalkers in the graveyard though... The +1 ability works with Voltaic Construct to make infinite mana with Basalt Monolith, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Thran Dynamo, and potentially Everflowing Chalice, just like Karn, Silver Golem, which I think is p cool. The -2 is kind of technically useless in EDH, as tournament rules actually say you can get a card out of your sideboard, not actually any card you own, and in EDH you don't have a sideboard... Casually, sure, if your playgroup is into getting any card that's cool, Ring of Ma'ruf also does this, but I guess I've just opted not to use that ability... The Null Rod effect is obviously very powerful, but yeah, I guess at least in my meta, I'm not as concerned with other people's artifacts, and ultimately I want to be more fast and aggro, rather than defensive and like staxy with the deck. There's a lot of removal in the deck, to me a surprising amount for colorless, and I guess I can rely on that to get rid of a problem artifact, or whatever someone ramps into if need be. So yeah, I guess despite the Null Rod effect and the Voltaic Construct synergy, it still just seems a little clunky, or something? I also play with way more mana rocks in most of my decks then most people in my meta. If more of my opponents played more mana rocks, that would make it much more relevant, but until they catch on, I guess I think it's just not quite there for me...
I might rather put Karn, Silver Golem in, because it's a good blocker, and can turn multiple of my expensive artifacts into an alpha strike...
Karn, Silver Golem was my first commander for this deck way back in the day, and Voltaic Construct was a key part of the deck. It also included Mycosynth Lattice, to destroy opponent's lands, and Darksteel Forge and Nevinyrral's Disk. These cards were really fun to play, and basically a hard lock when they were together, but without Karn, Silver Golem as the commander, I've steered away from that style I guess because it was just so expensive to pull off, and requires multiple high mana-value cards. I think the combos I have in now are cheaper and have more general synergy with other cards, and at this point, just ramping into Emrakrul as fast as possible is pretty devastating. In my heart though, I still want to include them...
1 month ago
Hey Profet93, thanks for the comment!
I do think Rings of Brighthearth is a great card, but I've excluded it mostly because, on it's own, it doesn't do anything...
Forsaken Monument, for example, = infinite mana with Basalt Monolith, but is also an incredible ramp card on it's own. This is basically the same reason that I've also excluded it from my Atraxa - Planeswalkers-Poison-Proliferate-Turns, even though it seems like an auto-include in that deck as well, in my opinion. I like Rings of Brighthearth a lot, but I really don't like looking at it on the battlefield without a combo piece, it's just a dead card then.
Aside from infinite mana, there are a bunch of other abilities that it could copy, like Planar Bridge, etc... However, the Rings only copies activated abilities, and I would sooner include cards like Lithoform Engine or Abstruse Archaic, as these cards also copy triggered abilities, like the cast triggers on Eldrazi, specifically Ulamog and Emrakrul, or Unwinding Clock's untap. Lithoform Engine and Abtruse Archaic both have somewhat more utility than the Rings, but as of yet, I still haven't squeezed them in either, again because I still feel like they just aren't good enough on their own without another combo piece.
Voltaic Construct fits into this "doesn't really do anything on it's own" category as well, and arguably is an even worse include than the Rings, Engine, or Archaic, but it's a lot easier to tutor up with cards like Eye of Ugin, Sanctum of Ugin, and especially Scrapyard Recombiner. Voltaic Construct + Metalworker and two artifacts in hand = infinite mana, which is pretty easy to assemble, and Metalworker is just a house on it's own. Voltaic Construct can also count for towards Emrakrul's casting cost in the graveyard...
Ultimately, I would like to include any of these copy-an-ability cards, if not all of them, but when I have, it just feels bad to have them sitting around doing nothing. Also, I kind of don't really need to copy abilities like that, as it turns out. I've found this deck to be pretty strong, and copying abilities often seems kind of win-more and win-less at the same time. Copying doesn't always make as big of an effect as it might seem... although copying a Planar Bridge ability could put two combo pieces in, the Bridge can also chain out anyways that with Clock of Omens, which is also a really powerful card, even though it also fits into the "doesn't really do anything on it's own" category, but I think is still better than any of the afore mentioned cards ...
I haven't included Voltaic Key either, for the same reasons basically, although I think this is really a card that should be in here. I guess I've also partly not included Rings of Brighthearth because I haven't included Voltaic Key either. I would put the Key in before the Rings, but I'm still not sure about the Rings. I think I decided to include Unwinding Clock instead of Voltaic Key, because, even though it's more expensive, it is really really REALLY powerful!!! With Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter and mana rocks, this mimics Prophet of Kruphix, which I think is rightfully banned becuase it's way too powerful for one card...
The Top trick with the Rings is cool, and more card draw is definitely welcome in this deck. This combo ultimately reads, ": Draw a card", but... I guess I've just come to the conclusion that there are already kind of a lot of "doesn't do anything on it's own" cards in here, so I've had to really pick the most powerful ones, and I guess I feel like the Rings just aren't powerful enough even when they do work, as they can only be activated once per ability. Clock of Omens, for example, can untap something a bunch of times, effectively "copying" abilities by just untapping something and activating it again. Also, Sensei's Divining Top + Jhoira's Familiar and Mystic Forge combo to draw the deck out for no mana once assembled, and these two cards are powerful on their own.
I like Wayfarer's Bauble a lot, and still want to include it. I think it is ultimately much better than Wanderer's Twig and Traveler's Amulet, which are both admittedly kind of bad cards.
The only reason I really include these at all is to get an artifact in the graveyard for Emrakrul's mana cost reduction, and to ensure land drops. Notably, multiple cards of one type still only count for , so often times it's redundant anyways. I think the reason I kept the Twig and Amulet in instead of Wayfarer's Bauble, is I kind of see the Bauble as a mana rock that adds but costs, which I do not think is acceptable. The only rock that cost and makes which is included is The Celestus because it also has card draw attached to it, and it can be tutored for with Moonsilver Key, for the card draw.
Even though the Twig and Bauble aren't technically ramp, they do help ensure a land drop every turn, which is think is important. There's already 36 lands in the deck, which is a lot for how many mana rocks are included, but I really want a land drop every turn if I can help it. I've tried to minimize high mana cost cards, even though there's so much mana in here, because it's still possible to get mana screwed if you have just a bunch of expensive cards in hand and not enought mana! Technically there's 38 lands in here currently, but I've put Eye of Ugin and City of Traitors in their own "Special" category, as I consider them to act more like artifacts then lands, as they don't always do what just a land that taps for mana does. They're unreliable for just basic mana, I guess. I'm thinking of putting Temple of the False God in, and I would also include this in the "Special" category for the same reason, being that it can't always be relied upon for mana like a regular land...
The most recent addition has been The Irencrag, which I myself think is funny to fit in over any of these other cards, but the consistency of early ramp is too important. Assuming that mana rocks will continued to be printed, I wonder what the limit to include will be! I actually took out Foundry Inspector to do this, which I don't like doing, and I might try to fit the Inspector in again first. But I think Karn, Legacy Reforged is on the top of the list for inclusions. Even though the mana he makes can't be used to cast Eldrazi, he'll be a huge beater, and will help cast and activate all those expensive artifacts.
My ideas are just what I've found to work playing the deck, and are by no means like, the way the deck should be built though!
I hope that provided some interesting insight into my cards choices...
1 month ago
Two drops Everflowing Chalice Coldsteel Heart Fellwar Stone Prismatic Lens Obsidian Obelisk Ebony Fly Fractured Powerstone Guardian Idol Liquimetal Torque Mind Stone Planar Atlas Thought Vessel The Irencrag
1 month ago
Hey thanks again for your comments on my primer :)
A few suggestions I have:
Soft permission spells such as Spell Pierce and Mana Leak are usually weak in budget/lower-powered pods because the games go longer. Some potential replacements could be Misdirection, Drown in the Loch.
Cancel, Murder, Hero's Downfall, Perplex, Connive / Concoct and Rite of Undoing seem quite weak to me. Some budget-friendly cards I like that you might want to play are Curtains' Call, Portent, Far / Away, Discovery / Dispersal, Submerge, and Murderous Cut.
Good luck in your tournament!
1 month ago
I don't know how you feel about infinite combos but you have chain veil, you have Rings of Brighthearth...an easy add here is Basalt Monolith. Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth make infinite colorless mana. Basalt Monolith is just an easy card for this deck because it makes a lot of mana off one rock which can be easily untapped with Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset or Teferi, Temporal Archmage. Speaking of planeswalkers who untap - consider Ral Zarek and Tezzeret the Seeker. Ral and Tezzeret untaps your rocks and can go infinite with chain veil. Tezzeret is also an excellent tutor for those key artifacts when you need them. He can fetch Ichormoon Gauntlet and The Chain Veil the turn he comes into play, both artifacts can be game winning.
1 month ago
Profet93 thanks for the feedback and valued suggestions!
Just for me - and any readers - sanity, I'll summarize here.
I already have the following pieces in the deck
- Mystic Forge
- Rings of Brighthearth
- Basalt Monolith
- Everflowing Chalice
- Blinkmoth Urn
- Ugin, the Ineffable
- Vedalken Orrery
You are suggesting I add
- Sensei's Divining Top (+2 powerful combos).
- combo 1: Mystic Forge + Sensei's Divining Top + Ugin, the Ineffable : As much draw as I want
- combo 2: Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Sensei's Divining Top : As much draw as I want
- combo 3: Great for finding the right CMC card to sink into Kozilek, the Great Distortion's counter ability. This was my initial thought for short-listing it
- Voltaic Key (+2 combos).
- combo 1: Everflowing Chalice + Rings of Brighthearth + Voltaic Key (4 counters required) : Infinite mana
- combo 2: Doubling Cube + Rings of Brighthearth + Voltaic Key (Use extra trigger to untap Voltaic Key) : Infinite mana
- combo 3: It's also carries it weight with some of the 2+ rocks.
- Blinkmoth Well to turn off Blinkmoth Urn on my opponents turns
- Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter as redundancy for Vedalken Orrery
- Since it ends up being useful in at least 3 case, and is useful on it's own, this would be a nice addition.
- It's fine. On top of my head, I'm more worried about consistent mana rocks than infinite.
- Not too important, but not an annoyance either. Would just need to cut another land (not Wastes, need those for fetching basics)
- Would be nice, but again, what to cut?! :)
I want a reasonable chance to have a starting hand with enough mana and enough rocks to go off in round 4 or 5. Generally infinite mana only does so much for me. Once I get past the first cast of Kozilek, the Great Distortion I'll most likely have enough value to keep it going.
What would you cut?
2 months ago
Basalt Monolith + Forsaken = infinite mana
2 months ago
Udpate 18-07-2023: Trying to lean into more two colour for the theme. also d=trying to lower curve, focus on protecting PWs to actually get ultimates off, as the deck struggles to close games. Idea before was almost that any of the good stuff I find can run away with the game (assemble the legion and narset), but I don't think winning that way will be as satisfying. I think it would be good if I can get a PW out, get them to ult, and if that fails, niv to refresh hand and then give it another go.
- Hostage Taker --> Baleful Strix - cheaper, good blocker, cantrip
- All Suns' Dawn --> Primevals' Glorious Rebirth - more expensive and less flexible but direct to battlefield
- Merciless Eviction --> Kardur, Doomscourge - cheaper, gain rakdos, lose removal, still protects walkers
- Silent Arbiter --> Dueling Grounds - cheaper and two colour, doesn't provide blocker
- Ranger's Path --> Expand the Sphere - can get any lands, should find some in top 6, can proliferate
- Basalt Monolith --> Black Market Tycoon - lose ral and brigthhearth synergy, cheaper, and two colour
- Swords to Plowshares --> Batwing Brume - was mainly in there as a simple staple, gain PW protection, two colour
- Assemble the Legion --> General Ferrous Rokiric - was two colour good stuff, now cheaper, and colour synergy
- Thalia's Lancers --> Jenson Carthalion, Druid Exile - lose tutor for combo, cheaper, two colour, colour synergy
- The Wanderer --> Gold-Forged Thopteryx - lose removal and protection, cheaper, two colour, a little protection
- Nevinyrral's Disk --> Pernicious Deed - more expensive, but can do in one turn, and two colour
- Narset, Enlightened Master -> Grateful Apparition - was good stuff, cheaper, PW synergy
- Boros Signet --> Staff of Compleation - more expensive, more flexible, PW synergy
- Rampant Growth --> Birds of Paradise - fragile but cheaper
- Skyshroud Claim --> Radha, Hearth of Keld - worse ramp, but gain gruul and two colour
- Azorius Signet --> Coiling Oracle - blocker, two colour, worse ramp