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Creature — Minion
Echo (2)(Black) (At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.)
When Bone Shredder enters the battlefield, destroy target nonartifact, nonblack creature.
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Bone Shredder Discussion
2 weeks ago
SenseiRamen Here I come again! I'm glad some of my suggestions were helpful, I hope you're doing well with this version. It seems really cool, well done. :)
I tried a Mathas, Fiend Seeker's deck on my own those last week, with some cards I had left on my collection (so it's far from being optimized), and it's been a hell of good fun. I love the dilemma it causes on the game's state as even if you aren't the greatest tread everyone will play around your decisions and beware your control tools. This commander has surely a lot of serious potentials to exploit.
Before anything else, let me excuse myself for a mistake, I hadn't understood the interaction between the Kulrath Knight and Mathas at first sight... gosh, it's just insane! I really have to give a closer look at those cards I've nearly never seen. That's well thought!
Let's see now what we can improve once again. The etb sub-theme you choose to explore is definitely interesting, and as it goes I would suggest you replacing some creature over 4 mana cost (in order to make the Sun Titan even more reliable) with smaller ones with powerful etb effects. You could maybe, for the example, run something like a Bone Shredder, a Fleshbag Marauder, a Shivan Emissary (nice card but it will only trigger if you play it from your hand. The same is true for the Gatekeeper of Malakir, which is not a good idea there as its mana cost it 3B), a Duergar Hedge-Mage, a Ghitu Slinger (meh card though, the Bone Shredder is like...thousand times better), a Tooth Collector (delirium seems complicated to trigger, so I don't know if it could be that great), a Tidehollow Sculler, a Mesmeric Fiend, etc. I will give you further replacement's ideas for some of those.
Speaking of creatures around 3 manas, you could also play Kambal, Consul of Allocation, which is powerful and flavorful in a political meaning. For more cards with a cruel synergy with Mathas, you could even consider playing the Rampaging Ferocidon.
You may give a try to the Panharmonicon, or even to the Conjurer's Closet, if you do some changes this way, but I can't assure you it'll be that effective. The Cloudstone Curio, that I already suggested you in my first message, is certainly better (but a little more expensive), as it combines absurdly well with Tetzimoc, Primal Death and actually better with cards with Echo (if you decide to go for the Shredder).
Another really good option to never run out of removals is the creation of a Sunforger package. It generally consists of playing Mistveil Plains and something like 7-8 targetable removals. If you bought the Markov EDH deck (which contains Mathas), you could add in the Teferi's Protection (absurd and unfun card, but it's just so strong that you'll always appreciate it). I will, if you're ok with investing in just one card, replace Ob Nixilis Reignited with a Scroll Rack. If you plan to go to some Battlebond's drafts, try to get a Land Tax. It's certainly not a necessity if you play in a casual group, but it will give your global deck a lift - Scroll Rack / Land Tax interaction is what makes the Boros decks viable, as you play black in addition to those colours, you should be able to generate an excellent consistency between draw / ramp / control.
As it stands, you play the Rocky Tar Pit with only basic lands tutorizable, so it's basically just an Evolving Wilds that etb tapped. ^^' Smoldering Marsh and Canyon Slough are both affordable and very good for budget decks. If you decide to invest in a Scroll Rack or get the chance to get it by trading, Madblind Mountain is also a nice option as it enables you to re-shuffle a band hand in your library and to draw a brand new one.
A few suggestions (including replacement ideas) :
Duergar Hedge-Mage IN > Cataclysmic Gearhulk OUT (the CG (worst abbreviation of all times) is interesting, but most of the times it will put you in really uncomfortable situations. You play a bunch of artefacts and enchantments, so you'll often end sacrificing too many cards to inverse the course of the game. I understand the idea that it enables you getting rid of your opponents' enchantments/artefacts... but they can choose which one they keep so it's not even that good in the best scenarios.
Bone Shredder IN > Fountain Watch OUT (Having protection for your cards is always great, but the FW feels just way too weak. It's expensive to cast and have a minimal impact on the board state. It doesn't offer you any interaction with your other cards that can justify it... you will just prefer something that offers you more control on the game and which works well with Sun Titan.)
Cloudstone Curio IN > Ambition's Cost OUT (Draw is pretty important in this kind of deck, so why did I chose to cut the Ambition's Cost? It's not a bad card on its own, it's even fairly good tbh, but I feel you just don't need it. With Mathas' ability, Phyrexian Arena (and maybe later Scroll Rack), you're still gonna draw a lot of cards - you won't need it. The Cloudstone provides you with a powerful grip for the late game. Being able to recast your etb tread is just insane.
Scroll Rack IN > Indulgent Tormentor OUT (Again, the Tormentor is not that bad... but it's not that great either. It's slow and understated. Most of the time, your opponent will just pay the 3 life needed, if the Tormentor doesn't die to any blast since then. The Scroll Rack is godlike but I could understand your reluctance about the investment it symbolizes. Go for a Sunforger in this case (honnestyl I'll play both of them in a optimized list).
Land Tax IN > Bonfire of the Damned OUT (The Bonefire is strong, but it only gains a miracle cost if it's the first card you drew this turn. It's not that unreliable but it's still is a bit. I will prefer an effective and sure board clear over it. You will find one just there below ^^)
Fire Covenant IN > Void Winnower OUT (The Winnower is surely a funny card. It's big, it locks a bit the game and gives you the initiative... but I think that in an optimized decklist you just don't need it. It competes for a slot with cards that synergizes better with Mathas, so that's why I would cut it.)
Teferi's Protection IN > Swamp OUT
Terminate is also a powerful card to consider with Mathas, but I can't actually find which card to cut for it. I hope those suggestions will be helpful, let me know how does it evolved and worked out! Have fun brewing, mate. :)
3 months ago
Hey, thanks a ton for the recommendations! The bow, to me, doesn't serve as much purpose as I'd like against flyers- by only dealing 2 damage, the biggest threat I feel like it could take out would be a Kaalia of the Vast (not to say that's not a highly important, but it's extremely narrow in a matchup I'd likely be on the back foot from the getgo anyway), and I believe it's main role would be, as you'd mentioned previously, anti-graveyard-hate (anti-anti-graveyard?).
Bitterblossom is one of my favorite cards of all time! Unfortunately, this deck has zero lifegain, and plans on running every single fetch and shock land it can. Despite being a 40 life format, the addition of Bitterblossom when I'm already paying so much just to maintain my land/colour consistency would put me on a very real clock compared to some other EDH decks.
You've already outlined my main aversions for Chronozoa and Hornet Nest, although the latter is somewhat more appealing because I'm inherently a fan of kitchen table politics, and it's a huge enabler of such.
However, when it comes to Nyx Weaver, I think you're right. It does everything I want it to do- stocks the graveyard, blocks a flier, and recurs an important piece as needed. I'm thinking of rotating Creeping Corrosion back out for it- thoughts?
The rest of the cards mentioned are a little too linear for my tastes- this deck thrives on it's flexibility, and unfortunately the rest mentioned shoehorn themselves into their specific roles. Spidersilk Armor is probably the most intriguing, but ends up as not only a dead slot in hand if my opponent's air force isn't threatening, but is also a dead slot in the grave due to the fact of it being a non-creature. Unfortunately, the same can be said for Corrosive Gale!
I'm thinking of rotating in Bone Shredder. Whether this ends up being in place of Shriekmaw or in addition to it remains to be seen. It seems like quite a mana investment (even at just ), but with the potential to kill one flyer and then block another, it seems like it may be worth... Although I'm not entirely convinced yet.
Lastly, I've gotten a few games in with Path of Discovery and I gotta say I'm seriously impressed- every game it's been in my hand I've windmill slammed it onto the table as soon as possible, and have gotten fantastic value out of it. Similar to Embalmer's Tools, it's usually overlooked by opponents until it's too late and I enjoy that a lot! So thank you!
3 months ago
3 months ago
Haha I understand the struggle entirely! Personally, I'm only running a handful of non-creature-based removal, and they are less reactionary and more game ending in the form of Living Death, Cyclonic Rift, and In Garruk's Wake. I'm currently only running a single non-creature-based form of spot removal in Go for the Throat, but have found a lot of success in creature-based options like Nekrataal, his new and improved version of Ravenous Chupacabra, Shriekmaw, and Bone Shredder.
4 months ago
I like this deck! The Scarab God is a great general. Some suggestions:
Search for azcanta feels a bit out of place here. You can probably flip it pretty easily but you don't have that many targets to hit. Would this be better as something with raw draw power, like a Harvester of Souls or a Grim Haruspex?
In my Scarab God deck, I like small utility creatures that get a big upgrade if I "eternalize" them. Stuff like Bone Shredder, Cadaver Imp or even Shriekmaw. Also Blood Artist and Falkenrath Noble, which are good on their own and also combine with your Gravecrawler/Phyrexian Altar/any zombie loop to kill the table.
I like some incidental mill in my Scarab God deck. I see you have a few spells like that already. Have you thought about Psychic Strike over Counterspell or Grisly Spectacle over Vraska's Contempt? These would be downgrades in the abstract, but maybe not in the context of this deck.
5 months ago
I can see you are working on a bit of a budget so I will try to stick to budget suggestions, but I am going to make a few suggestions that are more expensive for you to shoot for later.
I think the deck is good for a first run. I understand that it isn't quite where you want it yet, and you have ideas of what you want to add; I suggest adding those to the Maybe Board or Acquire Board to keep others from suggesting cards you already have in mind.
Firstly, recursion is great, but right now I see no way for you to get your creatures into the yard aside from attacking/blocking. So I recommend the following list for making sure you always have a reanimation target:
- Buried Alive
- Entomb (Note this can also put non-creatures that have good interaction in the yard)
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
- Altar's Reap
- Apprentice Necromancer
- Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
- Barter in Blood (Also hurts your opponents
- Blind Zealot
- Boggart Arsonists (Land destruction too)
- Boggart Loggers (Land destruction too)
- Bone Splinters
- Bontu the Glorified
- Breath of Fury Highly Recommend (as long as you have the mana to keep bringing creatures back you have infinite combats - add Sword of Feast and Famine for more degenerate plays)
- Abyssal Gatekeeper
Secondly, I think you need to trim most of the creatures in your deck that have more than 2 power so that you have more reanimation targets for Alesha. I suggest replacing them with cards that have good ETB effects such as:
Lastly, you will want some cards that benefit from all the death you will be causing. I suggest the cards below:
This is by no means an extensive list as I just spent a short time searching based on cards I already knew paired well. Most of these should be rather cheap additions and fairly easy to come by.
Hope this helps.
5 months ago
Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, Animate Dead, Bloodthrone Vampire, Hidden Stockpile, Stingscourger, Bone Shredder, Bygone Bishop, Devouring Swarm, Kathari Bomber, Pawn of Ulamog, Victimize, Cabal Executioner, Dauthi Mindripper, Flesh-Eater Imp (if you wanna be mean), Marsh Flitter, Vulturous Aven, Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, Karmic Guide, Knight-Captain of Eos, Reveillark, Solar Tide, Butcher of Malakir, Corpse Connoisseur, Burnished Hart, Priest of the Blood Rite, Sin Collector,
Cards to think about
7 months ago
Big Game Hunter and Bone Shredder are solid options I have struggled with bone shredder as its a more expensive Shriekmaw with the same restrictions. My meta plays a lot of black which makes cards that cannot hit black creatures and issue. Big game hunter is nice but I'm still on the fence with what remove for him. The other cards are to be frank to costly for this deck. This deck needs to hit the ground running as fast as it can before it falls behind. Having a six cost card in hand at the start of the game can hurt. Finding two or more... a game ender for me. I need to get the stax elements right before I decide if things like the Noxious Gearhulk can go in.