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Lost Leonin Discussion
19 hours ago
I focused on Lost Leonin and the power of the Eminence trigger with him. Ajani, Caller of the Pride is perfect with him to win, but I also found Duelist's Heritage (Works good with most other cats too!) and Berserk (Works with double strike cats or to remove an opponents creature), both make him more powerful. The nice thing of Duelist's Heritage is that it can be tutored with Enlightened Tutor or Idyllic Tutor or other like Academy Rector whatever your preference.
In my testing too I found that good cats over lots of cats was more efficient, thus why I play Sylvan Tutor, Eladamri's Call and Worldly Tutor which pull either Lost Leonin or Felidar Sovereign for the most part. I also run Green Sun's Zenith usually pulling Rhonas the Indomitable or Fleecemane Lion, another viable good target would be Birds of Paradise which can act as another CMC 2 mana ramp, but I haven't got that in just yet, still testing.
I also found Triumph of the Hordes to work good with the Cat + Eminence theme. I have a Sword of Feast and Famine in my binder, but chose not to include it for now because the protection prevents the Eminence trigger, but it's a good sword, if you have something to do with the extra mana. The problem is for Arahbo, Roar of the World you can overload the cats and then still play during post-combat main phase. I don't run a cat horde/token synergy so that's why I choose not to run it.
Rhonas the Indomitable is awesome, 5/5 indestructible deathtouch and he can attack with ANY cat + eminence trigger! Talk about Aggro tempo for . Darksteel Forge is pretty expensive, and I dont think the artifacts are the key to winning with Arahbo, Roar of the World in my opinion. Puresteel Paladin is amazing for the draw! Keep him! Trailblazer's Boots I'd honestly rather put more trample enablers instead, but I've seen other deck play the evasion angle too.
I'd rather have some more draw, like Hunter's Insight than a VERY High CMC Jareth, Leonine Titan. Only gets the +7 when blocking, so not really the greatest. I know he's hard to remove, and has the built in evasion, but too much.
I've had good success with Chameleon Colossus, his built in ability means you don't need to cast Arahbo, Roar of the World and he can proc well with things like Duelist's Heritage, Ajani, Caller of the Pride, Berserk and Equipment. I elected to go Stonehewer Giant over Stoneforge Mystic but won't discourage you there, she is awesome.
Don't see a lot of abilities, like Mirari's Wake in your deck, so not sure the need for White Sun's Zenith what some 2/2 cats are going to really accomplish for you, except with maybe a Triumph of the Hordes or something. I'm trying to work Metallic Mimic back into my deck, In testing I found him too slow for my taste, but he would be good with White Sun's Zenith as well.
I find Loxodon Warhammer better than Behemoth Sledge because of the extra offense, but with Felidar Sovereign I play both, also like the Basilisk Collar just hate doesn't have any +X to the power, but the deathtouch helps with the evasion factor anyway.
I've had others question my use of Pride Sovereign, I'm undecided on him right now, just lack of Cats with real utility why he remains pretty much. Puresteel Paladin + Bloodforged Battle-Axe is an awesome interaction, but in testing I found Bloodforged Battle-Axe was a little too slow without him around for me.
I don't play as much control, which is why things like Godsend don't make the 99. Cat's aren't here to block, unless you run a Qasali Ambusher most can't even block flyers Skyhunter Skirmisher obviously being an exception, and let's be real, noone is going to walk into an unfavorable blocking situation and have anything of value exiled with Godsend. Accepting cats dont block well, it means it's your opponents choice which creatures to get exiled or not, It doesn't hit opponents commanders, and unless they are playing a unburial type deck, with commander format being singleton it's not stopping recast of anything in the majority of circumstances. Anyway just my thought on that.
Best of luck. I'm always continuing to develop, so hopefully with have some better insights in the future. +1
5 days ago
I play quite a different style of Arahbo, Roar of the World deck, but thought I'd offer some suggestion and get some insight. I'm still trying to make mine a functional deck that compete in Multi-player consistently.
Do you find that by going the creature (Cat) forward approach, you end up with several under-powered cats. For example, Enlightened Ascetic, Grizzled Leotau, Leonin Armorguard, Scythe Leopard (He could benefit from fetch lands like Windswept Heath or Wooded Foothills, Scythe Tiger (can't be Eminence, I get hes big, but he is what he is and sets you back a land), Stalking Tiger, Wild Leotau.
What about tutoring the high-powered cats, with something like Eladamri's Call for sure, or Green Sun's Zenith. In my build im trying forward planning tutoring with Worldly Tutor and Sylvan Tutor to get into my Lost Leonin or Felidar Sovereign.
I know you run Descendants' Path so more cats is preferable, but Im always worried about a balance, drawing an extra bad cat that doesn't do much, or pulling a good cat that pushes forward my board position, if that makes sense?
What about Metallic Mimic, with so many Cats i think he would be good for you, and is an aggro cat? Would something like Vanquisher's Banner (even though higher CMC) be better than an Always Watching because of the extra draw? I think it's pretty high CMC, but the vigilence isn't key. Stuff like Mirari's Wake or Spear of Heliod totally make sense to me though.
No Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist, he provides evasion, and protection from counter-attacks. I think you should get him in there. He was in the C17 deckbox.
I would run a Triumph of the Hordes with so many cats, the +1 to each is going to defeat some opponents. +1.
PS: Really like the Privileged Position
2 weeks ago
Spirits, thanks so much for the feedback!
Strionic Resonator does indeed get around the whole "can only be used once per cat" clause, since it is Strionic Resonator copying the ability, not Arahbo himself. So I can use Arahbo to double and then Strionic Resonator to double again on the same cat.
Sol Ring is banned in my playgroup so that's the only reason it isn't in here. My playgroup banned some of the "fast mana" cards. The overall vibe of my playgroup is more on the casual end. That's why I decided to cut Lost Leonin. Infect isn't banned in my playgroup, but to me it just didn't feel "in the spirit". If your playgroup is cool with infect, by all means include Lost Leonin. Obviously a very solid cat.
Only reason I've chosen Farseek over Three Visits is price and availability as you suggest. If I owned that card, it would definitely be going in. Tithe I like in decks that don't have access to green. With green I value getting those lands out straight on to the battlefield to ramp as opposed to hand.
Trailblazer's boots is in there because I don't always have access to trample. I often don't get Arahbo out until later game. I want my cats to be able to connect with full force even before he gets out. To be fair I have considered swapping it out for another trample enabler (like Rhonas or Nylea). It would save on equip costs (then again I have cats that like to be equipped).
I've definitely thought about adding Rhonas and may pick up a copy. I've kept him out so far for flavour reasons (not a cat) but he would be solid. I'm curious why you prefer him over Nylea, God of the Hunt who would grant trample without having to spend 3 mana each turn. I see either one of them as being good though!
Thanks for the suggestions as I will seriously consider Rhonas or Nylea.
2 weeks ago
Trying to figure out the Strionic Resonator, clearly it can copy an Emminence ability, an additional +3/+3 to another target cat, even giving him +6/+6 for . Hi second ability +X/+X says Whenever, so clearly that can be copied, but from my evaluation, I still need to pay the to have the copied ability do anything? So assuming I pay the + (CMC 5), the rulings text says 8/25/2017 While resolving Arahbos last ability, you cant pay multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat. Does the Strionic Resonator somehow get around that because it says you "may" choose new targets? I'm not sure. If it only can target a different cat, then why wouldn't I just pay the (CMC 3 instead of the ). So for me, I think it only works for Emminence, and for me it's not quite strong enough, I think.
Have you found good value in Song of the Dryads? Enchantment speed seems to slow to stop most combo type interactions. But I guess it is temporary (once they remove the enchantment) removal of ANY permanent. What are the main things you run into? Just for Commanders because it doesn't give it back to them like an Oblivion Ring? I would say Prossh, Skyraider of Kher but he's already done his work by the time you can cast an enchantment.
Is Trailblazer's Boots really necessary with having Trample?
I understand your reasoning behind exluding Lost Leonin but really? What Commander's does your pod play, like Kaalia of the Vast running without a Master of Cruelties or Prossh, Skyraider of Kher excluding Purphoros, God of the Forge. Arahbo, Roar of the World already feels like I'm behind sitting down at most tables with Selesnya already, losing my Lost Leonin + Duelist's Heritage seems crazy! Kess, Dissident Mage will still combo me with a Labratory Maniac all the same.
I've put Rhonas the Indomitable in my build, what do you think? He gives Trample (and a small +2), but he's also a 5/5 Indestructible for (CMC3), AND with ANY cat in play he can attack deathtouch. What are you thoughts on excluding him? Because he isn't a cat?
Anyways thanks for the assistance hopefully you find something useful in my comment.
1 month ago
Some thoughts on some of your card choices, in no particular order.
Sylvan Reclamation for all intents and purposes in a deck like this is strictly better than Relic Crush. Trading out one generic mana for one White mana (which 99 times out of 100 you WILL have) gets you basic landcycling AND exile instead of destroy. The switch is a no-brainer, imo.
Thought Vessel isn't doing a ton for this deck. How often will you be at or above your hand limit for more than a turn or two? Card draw in GW isn't that impressive, even with Rishkar's Expertise and company. I think you'd be better off with Talisman of Unity over Thought Vessel, and I'd dump the Spellbook for a Sol Ring so you can get some more ramp going.
For a deck that wants to get ahead early, I believe you're running far too many ETB tapped lands. Blossoming Sands, Grasslands, Krosan Verge, Mosswort Bridge, Myriad Landscape, and Stirring Wildwood will all set you back a turn on mana production. I'd say Temple of Plenty too, but at least you're getting the scry on that. I'm Opting not to run that, but that's your call! Get some more rocks in there like Selesnya Signet, and be on the lookout for the new Unclaimed Territory in Ixalan, which is pretty much budget Cavern of Souls. Some more relevant utility lands like Rogue's Passage over Reliquary Tower would be worthwhile, too.
If you can, I'd sooner run Brimaz, King of Oreskos over Jedit Ojanen of Efrava. The forestwalk is nice, but 6 mana is steep. Brimaz is only 3 CMC and provides an excellent source defense with Vigilance.
Running Lost Leonin signals to me that you want to use Infect combined with the Arahbo's eminence for a quick kill. Double Strike enablers like Duelist's Heritage, Silverblade Paladin, and Ajani, Caller of the Pride (did somebody ask for flavor?) are huge boons for this, and in general allow you to get the most of Arahbo's pumps. Not to mention them having 3 CMC and similar casting costs as Lost Leonin lead to a superb curve out of your plays. Grafted Exoskeleton also turns any of your cats into a bigger Lost Leonin, for what it's worth!
The last comment that I'll make, and this stems from "mistakes" I was making when first build this deck, is too much focus on cheap cats as soon as quickly being too big a focus. Smashing your opponent for 6 with a 2-drop sounds appealing, but that's only going to go so far in multiplayer. If you're doing 1v1 commander, that's largely fine, but you'll want to diversify your line-up if you want to hold your own in multiplayer. Admittedly, I'm still trying to squeeze these in my own deck, but it wouldn't be remiss of you to include cards like Reveillark and Karmic Guide in here for some recursion. (Also, those two go infinite with Leonin Relic-Warder, Greater Good, and a mana rock!)
1 month ago
Pickacantaloupe - No worries, thanks for your comments. I actually took Caged Sun out of this deck and replaced it with Cultivate - the Sun is great but it's very expensive to get out. It might come back but not sure yet...
As for linking cards, all the info you need is in the link: Here, which is also at the bottom of every "commentable" page. In short, you put the name in double square brackets "[]" and you can do the same with loads of things to link them, e.g.
[[Lost Leonin]] [[user:Pickacantaloupe]] [[symbol:W]]
Hope that helps!
1 month ago
for me dropping a Lost Leonin is like a Sol Ring or Lightning Greaves, it can be destroyed, or giving you a great advantage. And in l8 game with Arahbo on the field (+an equipment) you can one shot someone for ~
1 month ago
As a general rule I am still trying to stick as hard as possible to the kitty theme rather than swap out cats for better equipment deck creatures. Things like Stoneforge Mystic, Puresteel Paladin, Sun Titan, etc. are obviously briliant cards for this deck but once I start putting them in in place of cats I feel like I'm not running a cat tribal deck any more and I might as well just replace Arahbo with Sram :)
However the Bloodforged Battle-Axe is definitely on my radar, as is Open the Armory as I totally forgot it exists. From my very limited playtesting as well I can see that Hexproof is a major boon here for keeping that voltron kitty alive so Whispersilk Cloak is being seriously considered as well (as is Mask of Avacyn as a cheaper alternative).
Regarding the Lost Leonin - this is also on my radar, and I have one sitting next to me. I'm just not sure if I want to go through the Infect route or not.... If I did put it in I would also consider Grafted Exoskeleton too and it may end up being what is used with the tutors every game. I imagine it draws quite a lot of hate though....