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When Manglehorn enters the battlefield, you may destroy target artifact.
Artifacts your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
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1 day ago
A few thing I'm pondering:
2 days ago
There's a lot of really nice incidental synergies in this deck. Doomed Dissenter in particular works really well with Plague Belcher as a thing to dump neg 1 tokens onto and also trigger the secondary drain ability. Perfect 2 drop.
If you want to lean more into etb triggers perhaps Supernatural Stamina is worth considering?
As for the Manglehorn and Thrashing Brontodon thing, I agree with wakawakawaka it's a better fit imo and still has synergy. It can sacrifice itself so the 4 toughness really isn't anything to worry about.
4 toughness will also really help you against aggro decks.
You have about 20 other creatures that will die easily to counters or Yahenni's Expertise not to mention Yahenni, Undying Partisan himself. So I don't really think it'll be a problem however its something worth play testing to get right.
As for Golden Guardian personally I don't think its a great fit for this deck in particular. Has no sacrifice outlets, no etb, 4 toughness, defender and doesn't even go to the graveyard due to transform. It would fit much better in a deck like Aristocrats.
That being said it fits better here than in most other decks.
3 days ago
I really like this list!
I think you're running a few to many Manglehorns though and I think you'd really benefit from running 25 lands. Thrashing Brontodon may or may not be better for this deck than Manglehorn because it synergizes with journey.
also!! Golden Guardian might be stupidly strong in this deck.
1 week ago
@meowndabout Nice questions! Glad to help with this. I changed the write up slightly, to include a sample blue print for playing the deck. That answers some of your questions, other ones are below.
Fauna Shaman - usually you discard extra mana elves (which aren't that great in the mid-game) to get actual stax pieces or utility creatures. But, also, you can just discard anything. It turns each creature into a Worldly Tutor + free card draw.
Loyal Retainers - this is actually best with Iona, Shield of Emeria, which is decent to run if your meta has some mono-colored decks. However, it's worth leaving in the deck even without Iona, just to get back anything that happens to get killed. It's pretty good reanimation, just by itself.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - Actually, Magus of the Tabernacle is a pretty good replacement. Tabernacle is here mostly to combat other decks that rely on creatures and mana elves (like us), but have a harder time tutoring for Gaea's Cradle. To perform this function, another answer is Defense of the Heart. Magus might be better since it's a creature and slides under your Thorn of Amethyst effects.
Nullstone Gargoyle - this is a new card I'm testing. It's easily hard-castable with Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. And it's a pretty strong lock with Eidolon of Rhetoric. Yes, if I could get this lock together, I'd just cast creature after that.
Recruiter of the Guard - you just get whatever you need for the situation you're in. Get whatever stops your opponents the hardest. You have to know how your opponent's strategies work.
Sanctum Prelate - pretty much always names 2 or 3. These stop boardwipes that sneak under Gaddock Teeg; on three you stop: Toxic Deluge and Fire Covenant; on two you stop Cyclonic Rift and Pyroclasm. I usually pick either 2 or 3 based on which board wipe I'm more afraid of at the moment; but in either case you end up shutting off large parts of your opponents' decks.
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - this is becoming less important in this list; however I think it's still probably good enough to run. Yeah, you just get whatever is most helpful. You can either get Quirion Ranger on 1 to activate Yisan or Sisay twice per turn, or you get Sylvan Safekeeper to guard Sisay against spot removal. After that, you know, get whatever you need.
Crop Rotation - there's a lot of strong lands in the list. Strip Mine and Horizon Canopy are very good with Ramunap Excavator. You can also get Tabernacle. You can get one of the ramp-lands like Gaea's Cradle, nykthos, or Ancient Tomb. If possible, you should always sacrifice a Flagstones of Trokair.
Creature tutors - You get whatever you really need top stop what your opponents are doing. These tutors let you get non-legendary creatures tho, so sometimes you can get Sanctum Prelate or Eidolon of Rhetoric or Spirit of the Labyrinth if one of those seems really appropriate, or you're in a winning position already, you can go for the kill with Shaman of the Forgotten Way or a lock with Nullstone Gargoyle.
Enlightened Tutor - yes, frequently the most powerful thing to get with this is Living Plane, although there's a lot of great artifact/enchantment stax pieces you may want, particularly Rest in Peace, Null Rod or Sphere of Resistance. It can get ramp in Mana Crypt or Carpet of Flowers. It can also get Lightning Greaves which can be great for Sisay. This card is awesome in this list.
Gemstone Caverns, Chrome Mox - these are ramp, which is totally critical. You just exile whatever you don't need. Try to prioritize playing a turn 1 or 2 stax piece with these ramp cards. Also think about when you will play Sisay. If you have these ramp cards, try to set up a sequence where you play a stax card turn 1, a mana creature turn 2, and SIsay turn 3.
Null Rod, Stony Silence - these only shut off our artifact ramp, not our creature ramp. Only play them if they're going to hurt your opponents more than they hurt you. But the deck is pretty much designed so that it's usually pretty asymmetric, although certain hands and board states can make it more nuanced.
You can totally run snow lands if you want to.
Solemnity - this doesn't do anything...
Ashes of the Abhorrent - This can work if your meta has a lot of reanimation or storm...
3 weeks ago
Great deck! +1
Ever thought about Sensei's Divining Top, Genesis Wave, Avenger of Zendikar, Caustic Caterpillar, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Karametra's Acolyte, Manglehorn, Null Rod, Titania's Song, Song of the Dryads?
1 month ago
I think Eldritch Evolution's got serious potential for sure. A card that lets us turn a Bird into Magus of the Moon, right after an an opponent Inquisitions away our Blood Moon? Yeah, I'll take some of that!
I've tested Joshua's build pretty extensively (goldfishing and maybe 8 matches now) and yours just a little bit (2 matches so far), so here are some initial thoughts:
- I like 3x Evolutions better than 2x. Being able to tutor up exactly what we want is superb, and 3x increases our chances of doing that. It also increases our chances of being able to do it twice in a game, which is a blast. E.g., My favorite play so far with the card has been vs. a Burn player who had me at 2 life. I evolved an Elf into Kitchen Finks (up to 4 life) to barely hold on, took a Bolt to the face (back to 1), but then top-decked another Evolution, which got me a Finks-with-Persist and a Thragtusk (up to 8 life), and eventually the win.
- I'm not sure what the right number of Creatures is though ... it absolutely rots to have an Evolution in hand and no targets on the board.
- I'm 100% with you on Merfolk Branchwalker, lol. That said though, but I really like the idea of something like Scavenging Ooze in the main. More than once, I've wanted to evolve a random Token into a 2-drop, or wished I had a 2-drop I could evolve into a 4-drop ... sure, we can go 3-drop into 4-, but it seems like a waste :-)
- I'm not a big fan of Acidic Slime in a "normal" build, but I love it with Evolution. It's just perfect for taking out stuff like Ensnaring Bridge, Oblivion Stone, and Leyline of Sanctity in the late game. Though Reclamation Sage or even Manglehorn might be better.
- Another toolbox card I'd like to try: Oversoul of Dusk. Also something big, fast, and tramply, like Thornling or maybe Ball Lightning/Groundbreaker.
- I had one game where I got to live the dream of Furystoke Giant as a finisher, with a couple random creatures and a ton of Plant tokens from Nissa, Voice of Zendikar. Furystoke is very situational though, so while it obviously worked for Joshua, I would need to test it (a lot) more before recommending it.
More to follow, as I get a few more reps in ...
In the meantime, draw well!
1 month ago
While the main plan of knightfall is to out value and out tempo our opponent, some of the cards that are used for this purpose are pretty toolbox-y. However, this isn't the main theme of knightfall. Therefore, I definitely don't plan to play more than 1x Eldritch Evolution, but that 1x is Not the flex sideboard spot (That's Courser of Kruphix and Reclamation Sage).
Eldritch Evolution is reasonable against fair, non-blue decks, but mostly, it's there for combo decks (Knightfall's worst matchups). Due to the sheer number of creatures in this deck, there is usually some creature that helps out in the matchup and is worth tutoring for. While you could try something like Chord of Calling for this reason, Chord of Calling is usually at least 2 turns slower.
It might be a little easier to say a few matchups that I'd bring it in for (not a full list): Affinity, Burn, Jund, Junk, Tron, Lantern Control, Dredge, Infect, Elves, and Living End. If you look at that list, Burn, Tron, Elves and Living End can be some pretty challenging matchups. The card does a bit more than double duty.
Affinity is a pretty favored matchup. For reference at the Modern Open, I played 4 matches against them and lost 1 game (albeit, I usually lose a few more game 1s). This seems to happen for a few reasons.
The biggest reason is because of Spell Queller. Spell Queller stops a relevant spell while being bigger (before buffs) than their fliers. Of course, it can also be flashed in before blocks with no spell on the stack. Therefore, I can not stress enough how much of an all-star this card is.
The main plan is just to stall as long as you can and make as many favorable trades as possible. Hopefully, you can create enough of a board state where they lose too much by attacking (aka a board stall) and Knightfall rarely loses from a board stall.
Therefore, so long as you don't draw too many Scavenging Ooze and Voice of Resurgence and they don't have a super speedy draw (Mox Opal...), then game 1 can be pretty close. Of course, post-board Knightfall becomes favored.
-3x Scavenging Ooze, -3x Voice of Resurgence, -2x Retreat to Coralhelm for +1x Eldritch Evolution, +2x Izzet Staticaster (Best Card and generally what Eldritch Evolution finds), +2x Kitchen Finks(The gain 2 life and +1 power sells me on it over Voice of Resurgence even at the cost of one mana (Mostly because both suck in this matchup)), +1x Manglehorn, +1x Reclamation Sage, +1x Reflector Mage
Post-Board, around 1/3 of the deck is removal. Of course, once again, the goal is to stall for as long as possible. Once again, the longer the game, the higher the probability that knightfall wins.
1 month ago
Fastest ways to jump to a more competitive level is tutoring for an autowin or taxing the combos. Cards like Harsh Mentor, Gaddock Teeg, Aven Mindcensor, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Manglehorn, etc. will force the combo decks to play at a "fair" pace.
This deck of mine is the pinnacle of doing both at the same time.
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What you do in your first three turns will set the pace for how you impact the table so make sure those turns matter every game. You have to look at your deck as a devil's advocate and ask if each card you are playing is actually going to have enough turns to play and if so will it even matter.