Vector Asp

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Scars of Mirrodin (SOM) Common

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Vector Asp

Artifact Creature — Snake

{{B}}: Vector Asp gains infect until end of turn. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)

Vector Asp Discussion

DrukenReaps on Strong Non-Infinite builds

2 days ago

Mairsil, the Pretender tends towards combos but some of them are more like wicked interactions and are not infinite.

Spikeshot Elder // Hateflayer + Tree of Perdition + a way to reset Mairsil's toughness like AEtherling , this allows you to kill 1 player each turn.

Laboratory Maniac + Mirror-Mad Phantasm , empty library with a caged mirror mad and win.

And using Pestilent Souleater or Vector Asp with AEtherling is sneakier than most people realize.

babushkasara on Storm Crow is a Win-Con - Lazav

2 weeks ago

Ziusdra, thanks for commenting! I'm glad you like the deck.

First, Vector Asp does work the way we want it to. When things become copies of things, abilities that refer to the card they're printed on are considered to really say 'this card', essentially. A post I found on MTGSalvation confirmed it and referenced this rule:

706.11. If an effect refers to a permanent by name, the effect still tracks that permanent even if it changes names or becomes a copy of something else.

Example: An Unstable Shapeshifter copies a Crazed Armodon. Crazed Armodon reads, "{G}: Crazed Armodon gets +3/+0 and gains trample until end of turn. Destroy Crazed Armodon at the beginning of the next end step. Activate this ability only once each turn." If this ability of the Shapeshifter is activated, the Shapeshifter will be destroyed at the beginning of the next end step, even if it's no longer a copy of Crazed Armodon at that time

So, when Lazav becomes Vector Asp, he has the ability ":Lazav gains infect until EoT" which means even when he later turns into something else, he still has infect.

Second, about the hand cycling. When I built the deck, I tried to make a conscious effort to primarily include selective discard and self-mill. Zephyr Scribe is a good example of this, but expensive mana-wise. Perhaps another looter like Looter il-Kor would be good? Plus, he has shadow so works from the graveyard for Lazav purposes. Things like Jace's Archivist and Dark Deal force me to discard things I might not want to discard, hence their exclusion. Taigam's Scheming is an excellent card I didn't know exists and I will definitely seek a copy out. It's the exact same as Contingency Plan , actually. As an aside, I do have Windfall in there as a full-hand cycle.

One of the great things about this deck though is that even if one of my payloads gets stuck in my hand, I have enough tutor-to-graveyard effects like Entomb , Buried Alive , Final Parting , and Corpse Connoisseur to get other payloads into my graveyard until I find a looter.

Regarding how it plays: it plays amazingly. Being able to cast Lazav super early, get some turns of set-up, then start sniping people down is great. Being able to say 'unless you have two removal spells I can kill anyone at the table on my turn' is a great feeling. The deck is fairly resilient to graveyard hate because of the variety of threats and the ability to just hard cast the cards eventually anyway. I highly recommend giving it a try :)

Ziusdra on Storm Crow is a Win-Con - Lazav

2 weeks ago

I love this deck, but I don't think Vector Asp works the way you want it to. Since its name is in its infect ability, Lazav won't gain infect, if I am interpreting the cards correctly.

Also, at a glace, it doesn't seem like there is enough hand-cycling to get the creatures you want in your graveyard out of your hand, but I haven't played this deck so I can't be sure. How does it work out? I would think you'd need a couple more cards that allow you to rummage so that you can get the big boys out of your starting hand and into your graveyard. (I only see three cards that let you do this ( Merfolk Looter , Ancient Excavation , and Sift )... but maybe that is enough? I'm just gonna mention Jace's Archivist , Zephyr Scribe , and Dark Deal to help you do this--two of those cards also disrupt other players' hands, great to play/activate after a player has just tutored. Taigam's Scheming is also a mention, as it is effectively a Surveil 5 at sorcery speed without the keyword, but honestly I think the deck probably does this well enough. I wouldn't know without playing around it myself. But I love this deck, so I think I will :)

Artatras on "The Many-Faced God" - [[Primer]]

2 months ago

Hi and thanks for appreciating!

It depends on what you mean by "competitive decks". If you refer specifically to the cEDH meta (decks like Food Chain Tazri, Jeleva Storm, Zur Doomsday, Thrasios & Tymna, Breakfast Hulk or Blood Pod) then the answer is no, my friends and I are not interested in this variation of the Commander format. If, however, you mean strong, optimised decks with powerful cards in them, then the answer is definitely yes. My personal metagame is all 75% decks: cards like Force of Will , Mana Crypt and Mana Drain are all over the place. I usually play against explosive/control decks such as The Locust God , grindy decks like Muldrotha, the Gravetide , aggressive ones like Edgar Markov and even fast combo decks like Food Chain Prossh, Skyraider of Kher and Teysa, Orzhov Scion . In addition to that, my friends have started including lots of "sideboard" cards in their maindecks to deal with decks such as mine. As a result, I also have to face multiple Rest in Peace s and Nihil Spellbomb s in every game.

So, how does my deck perform in this scenario? Quite well. Of course I'm not winning every single game, because as I have said the other decks at the table are all very powerful. One thing I have noticed in these months of playtesting is that no matter how fast my opponents can be, I am always faster. If I want to kill an opponent before he or she can combo-off (therefore, by turn 4 or 5), nothing can stop me from doing so. The way I have built the deck, it is very easy for me to have one of our lethal combos ( Phyrexian Dreadnought + Vector Asp , Ornithopter + Crackdown Construct or even Wall of Blood ) available very early in the game with some cheap counterspell like Force of Will , Misdirection or Mental Misstep to save me from removal. Very few decks have the tools to deal with such nonsense. This is, however, not your ideal gameplan in a 4-player game. You would waste too many resources while at the same time leave yourself vulnerable to disruption from the two opponents left. Oftentimes, then, you just want to play the slow game until you have more mana and resources available in the late game. As a result, I generally don't even play Lazav until turn 5 or 6 (unless I have a Cavern Harpy in my graveyard to save him from removal). I tend to leave mana open in the early game for some counterspells, and then start committing more stuff to the board once I'm sure I can protect myself. In the meantime, hopefully my opponents have started damaging each other. Do keep in mind that this is a deck that shines in 1v1, sometimes 1v2. You have very few chances if three opponents gang up against you. Having a 12/12 on the board on turn 2 will likely put a target on your head, so that's why you generally want to wait until one or even two opponents are already out of the game to expose yourself. This strategy has given me a lot of success so far, so that's the one I recommend to you.

Dango on Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]

3 months ago

Warlock1258 Before I get into an analysis of Lazav's placement, I would like to rebuttal you and ask what your dream sequence is to not only turn 3 somebody, but to do so consistently. Yes, turn 3 wins are in fact possible, but to turn 3 consistently and reliably is an entirely different question. Lazav is in great tutor and draw colors, but his combo packages require a lot of set up and pieces to pull off, and if any one of those pieces are interrupted by getting exiled for example, you have to move on to another pile most of the time. My list is nowhere near being considered an optimal cEDH list, because I never intended it to play in a cEDH environment. However, I can confidently say that my game plan isn't far off from that of a fully optimized list, and what little improvements I would make if I were to optimize the list would not make the list noticeably more consistent. Tier 3 is appropriate in my book, I wanted him to be placed in tier 2 when he came out, but he gets stopped dead in his tracks by Rest in Peace, Silent Gravestone, Cursed Totem, and many others. Again, this is a short answer, but keep in mind that I have piloted the deck for many months now, and as much as I'd love to see him move up, I realistically don't see it as comparable to other tier 2 and above decks. It is very simply, the glassiest glass cannon around. Buried Alive decks are a dying breed I'm afraid due to higher relevance of graveyard hate in the meta, and backups to a failed Necrotic Ooze combo with another package consisting of Invisible Stalker/Vector Asp/Phyrexian Dreadnought are a little too mana intensive and janky for competitive play because that sort of backup requires multiple combat phases which translates to multiple turns to kill the table which is not ideal by any means.

I hope that clarifies some things for you, feel free to ask me if some things still aren't clear to you. I would love to provide a more in depth explanation for why I feel from experience that Lazav isn't quite tier 2, but I hope what I have shared here is enough of a concise answer to your question. Tier 3 is still good and viable against competitive decks, so don't let that confuse you. It's just that his combo packages isn't quite as condensed or as direct as other combo-centric decks in higher tiers, and are often highly interruptible as a result.

BMHKain on

4 months ago

@multimedia: Alright; temporarily updated the description for this deck, but I have several things to note:

  1. How is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip useful here as several individual things (Including as a Walker.)?

  2. I'm trying to find an Intuition combo w either Phage the Untouchable & 2 other cards, or Vector Asp/Blighted Agent + Phyrexian Dreadnought & one other card. What would you suggest for either? This is actually for a quick wincon, but Myriad effects (Banshee of the Dread Choir for instance.) are considered "Useless" even though I initially thought The Legend Rule allowed multiple Perms of the same name (Creatures & others.), & Planeswalkers with the same Types. What changed as of Pre-Ravnica Allegence?

  3. Don't fret. I'll update the descriptions later. I just have to finish an Okaun, Eye of Chaos + Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom Chaos Deck, & update a Melek, Izzet Paragon Storm/Instant & Sorcery Copy Deck. I'll update the descriptions from there; given Ravnica Allegiance has Superfriends Support, Creatureless or not.

BMHKain on

4 months ago

Alright... I have 25 cards over. Some of these are incredible combos such as Crackdown Construct + Ornithopter for Infinite Power, Palladium Myr + Pili-Pala for Infinite Mana, Vector Asp/Blighted Agent + Phyrexian Dreadnought for Alt Wincon. Training Grounds & Heartstone for low costed Lazav Activations. Entomb, Buried Alive, & even Intuition for yard filling. What I need now is a way (2? 3?) to protect my yard. Meaning I need Hexproof. Only two cards in use this; & are clunkers. I'll have to ditch me having Hexproof. Any alternatives would be great; Leyline of the Void, & Planar Void shut this deck down; maybe more spot removal? I'd like some ideas for adds/cuts based on this comment; and some opinions of yours even...

I'd like some opinions...

ShaharRyu on

4 months ago

Blighted Agent Infect wouldn't really work. Vector Asp on the other hand would give the Infect to Lazav. The Myriad effect, either of the Banshee or Blade of Selves would trigger the Legendary Rule which would in turn kill all but 1 of the Lazav's.

Vector Asp with Phyrexian Dreadnought would certainly be a 1 hit KO. Add some evasion to it just to make sure.

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