|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Modern Masters 2017 Edition||Uncommon|
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Creature — Vampire Shaman
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
Lifelink (Damage dealt by this creature also causes you to gain that much life.)
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Vampire Nighthawk Discussion
21 hours ago
Lands look fine, but there could be space for 1 or 2 Shambling Vents.
the only card, I'm really sure shouldn't be there, is Vampire Nighthawk. It's lightning bolt range, and doesn't do anything for your lifegain plan until it can attack. Maybe they should be Raise the Alarm?
1 day ago
why only one Vampire Nighthawk ? it's great! flying deathtouch and lifelink, just give it hexproof and first strike and it will do amazing!
5 days ago
To streamline this deck, I personally would run only 2 color and 60 cards. Having only BW would limit a few of the things you could do, but would provide you with a more consistent function, and allow for greater theme in your deck. I might splash green for several spells.
I hope that that will get you started, and good luck with your deckbuilding!
5 days ago
robgould339, I do like the focus now. I will say that Griselbrand and Ob Nixilis Reignited might be a little overkill. The lifelink on Griselbrand does have strong synergy with cards like Prey Upon, but at 8 mana, it may be difficult to even cast him at all. Without the ability to cast him almost for free, as in reanimator, it becomes much more likely that you won't have enough life left to abuse his ability. As for Ob Nixilis Reignited, I find that I usually end up using him for his -3 ability. Since this deck is already pretty great at destroying creatures, I imagine that will narrow his use down to just drawing an extra card every turn. And at that point, I'd probably just use Bloodgift Demon. I suppose it is possible that if you can manage to stay ahead on the board, you just might be able to pull off his ultimate (which is something I achieve very rarely in my dimir control deck). If that works out, he certainly can be a viable win condition.
As for Quietus Spike + Cruel Sadist, I think it's a nice combo. The question is whether or not you'll draw them in conjunction enough to justify their inclusion. Compare it to Vampire Nighthawk + Prey Upon. The nighthawk is still good, even when you don't have a prey upon to go with it, and the prey upon is still good if you don't have exactly nighthawk to go with it. Here, Quietus Spike and Cruel Sadist become a lot worse if they aren't paired with each other. If you go with it, I'd at least consider swapping Quietus Spike to Basilisk Collar, seeing as it is cheaper and that lifelink is more likely to come into effect than the life halving.
I was also doing some searches and came across Gnarlwood Dryad, Narnam Renegade, and Wasteland Viper. Seems like any of these could be an objectively better Sedge Scorpion, so that's cool. The viper in particular increases the value of any non-deathtouch creatures in the deck.
6 days ago
I do like lowering the curve by cutting extra copies of top end legends. The three drop slot is a little light though and I notice you play even more creatures in your list than mine and your list values black for Nocturnus. Maybe Captivating Vampire as a one of? If not, maybe just good ol Vampire Nighthawk. Something to fill that three slot with more black.
6 days ago
robgould339, I think it entirely depends on your gameplan. If you're going for a more competitive deck, reanimator is the more powerful archetype. The deck doesn't really need deathtouch creatures to operate though, so it might be easier to start from scratch. By contrast, the deathtouch plan is weaker, but it is much more likely to thrive in a casual environment and will probably cost much less to build. As mentioned, I don't even think graveyard recursion is necessary in such a deck. I'd rather rely on card draw to keep fuel in the engine. Harvester of Souls, Harmonize, Shamanic Revelation, Phyrexian Arena- that sort of thing. Combining the strategies isn't awful, I just don't think it's altogether that necessary.
I'd probably stick to the deathtouch gameplan if I was building the deck since thematic homebrews are more my style. I'd probably run all the small guys, seeing as you only need 1 damage for deathtouch to work. Typhoid Rats, Ambush Viper, Deathmist Raptor, Vampire Nighthawk. Having a few beaters on the high end certainly doesn't hurt. Wurmcoil Engine was one really strong option that slipped my mind. Then, I'd just want ways to exploit deathtouch. Pathway Arrows + Glissa, the Traitor, Lure, Irresistible Prey + Agent of the Fates- anything in that ballpark.
1 week ago
I like the deck a ton, my buddy rocks a deck somewhat similar. He uses Gifted Aetherborn over Vampire Nighthawk as well and gets shit for it all the time. I try and explain to people that the one less mana and having the same Power/Toughness is really worth it, especially considering most people don't want to throw their creatures in front of a deathtouch creature anyways.