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Temple Bell Discussion
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2 weeks ago
If you're going in on the Howling Mine or Temple Bell strategy, why not get some Sphinx's Tutelage to combo with it? In my experience, you're better off with Temple Bell as you can choose when to tap it, you just get a little bit more control over it. And it's super fun to mill people to 0 cards and than tap it to kill people.
3 weeks ago
Take out basilica
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
cdkime - I also had Jace Beleren and Temple Bell on my list, so it's good to hear some confirmation there. As for tutors, I think I'm only running two with Mystical Tutor and Demonic Tutor. Mystical Tutor I think stays for sure because I can wheel, and hold priority to cast the tutor, place a wheel on top of my deck, then draw it and use it. You make a good point about drawing enough cards that I don't need a lot of tutors, so maybe I will toy with cutting Demonic Tutor, the downside of course being I sacrifice some ability to find cards for specific scenarios. One thing I am worried about with cutting Breathstealer's Crypt is not having enough damage. Your argument against Sire Of Insanity is valid, I will pay close attention to that as I continue to test the list before purchasing any updates. I was also underwhelmed with Lim-Dul's Vault, so I'm glad to hear someone else thinks it's not super strong here. As for Seizan, Perverter of Truth, I really like this guy. With Nekusar out, he's dealing 4 extra damage per turn to each opponent, and he helps me dig through the deck faster to find more wheels, draw spells, etc.
I think my main concern is not having enough ways to hurt my opponents when they draw cards. Perhaps I need to add Kederekt Parasite back in to make sure I have enough effects. I do think Spiteful Visions needs to stay out though. I don't think I have enough in the way of defence to manage hurting myself as well as being hurt by the rest of the table. Are there any other pain permanents I'm missing that you know of?
1 month ago
Jace Beleren--I playtested him, and generally found his effect too slow to justify a space. One extra card and one extra damage is not significant. Further, he is not protected by your pillowfort cards. Temple Bell has the same issue as Jace's +2 ability.
You have a lot of tutors in your deck. Given the inordinate amounts of card draw this type of deck generates, I found tutors do not add that much, and you could probably cut a few of those.
Breathstealer's Crypt the reveal effect is nifty for scouting what your opponents will do, but even with creature-heavy opponents, you're not getting that much out of the card.
Seizan, Perverter of Truth--I never found myself casting this card. While the damage it inflicts to yourself is inconsequential, I usually found better uses for 5 mana.
Sire Of Insanity works poorly with a bunch of wheels. Many wheels give you cards equal to the number in your hand. If their hand size is zero, your primary "burn" spells fall flat. As you stated, an empty hand is less threatening, but it slows down your kill considerably.
Lim-Dul's Vault is a great card in many decks, but, like other tutors, you are drawing enough cards, and there are enough viable paths to victory that finding the right card is not quite as important.