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Vedalken Orrery Discussion
9 hours ago
Vedalken Orrery and / or more control instants. You need early game control, the, Omipotence.
1 day ago
Absolutely right, yes. But if you include Vedalken Orrery, that will let you pay for any of your spells on your upkeep!
2 days ago
Yeah! Like Ball Lightning or the like...that'll wipe EVERYBODY. I think my favorite is Infinite Reflection, though, because you can give it away with a creature spell on the stack to give your opponents a hurtful ETB or neuter their board after attacks are declared. Before reading your deck, I had never even considered putting it on an opponent's creatures...
Wait---Doesn't Infinite Reflection stop your commander from working (Since while it's under your control, it changes what Zedruu is)? You'd have to do it with Donate or Harmless Offering which sucks because it's at Sorcery-speed. Leyline of Anticipation or Vedalken Orrery would put this trick back on-line, but may not be worth the slot.
Keep tinkering. There's a lot of good shenanagans in this deck and I've learned a lot trying to think these cards through.
2 days ago
Last_Laugh - Thanks for all of those suggestions. I believe your deck was actually one of the ones I initially looked at when considering how to build Muldrotha. It's a pretty great blueprint. What is your opinion on cards Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation in this deck? They are a nonbo with Muldrotha, but they speed up the rest of the deck.
SaifurCommander - Thanks for the comment. I have actually considered Grave Pact type cards and ultimately opted to leave them out. While I was initially building the deck, I found that card space is at a premium. I chose to leave those cards out mainly because while my deck does run a decent amount of sacrifice effects, it isn't really dedicated to that archetype. I opted to include either cards that advanced my main focus, or cards that synergized well with Muldrotha. Palace Siege seems like a good option so I will definitely consider that.
4 days ago
Move Nezahal, Primal Tide to Draw. The draw makes him good more than anything... Like another Sphinx.
Glacial Chasm Count it as a land and take a land out. Downsides: Requires Muldrotha in play; Pricey Fog that requires players to run MLD or recurring land removal to answer; Probably not fun/healthy. Idk... I would play it competively, but you might regret having it in casuals.
Yavimaya Elder I bet you the is going to be annoying and he's 5 mana to run. Muldrotha is going to be under a lot of pressure to get things out when she's alive so he's by himself, really, and blue has good draw... so more baubles imo.
World Shaper If the gimmick isn't fun, out with him.
Ramunap Excavator I think Muldrotha covers both of these and only good if you hit the dinosaur or oracle.
- Perpetual Timepiece > Dreamborn Muse > Frantic Search. I would pick one. Probably the one that is worth and easy to cast with Muldrotha.
- Sultai Charm Versatile, but also conditional. I think we just wheel/loot into the removal we need.
So... we have enough cards that are good when Muldrotha is in play. Lets pretend she's dead (indefinitely)...
- Compulsive Research "Draw 2"
- Dark Bargain "Draw 2, lose 2 life"
- Birthing Pod < Sidisi, Undead Vizier < Final Parting cut two of these. Pod needs you to be creature based and to be built around... I think it interferes too much with the plan and is better with Elves and tokens. The latter two are close. Both want Muldrotha in play, but I think fetching Mimeoplasm or Ooze (or Dark Depths/Hexmage!) with Parting is stronger and less conditional. I love Sidisi though ;(
- Swan Song and/or Pact of Negation Negation is better if you have lots of counterspells or have to storm. If someone can tap your lands, gg. Sub in Voidmage Prodigy (same thing but reusable).
- Vedalken Orrery I don't think its worth when it doesn't interact with Muldrotha. You're running ramp and, again, not a lot of counterspells so you can just leave the mana open and spend it elsewhere instead of dumping into Orrery.
Also consider subbing more enchantment removal just to even the slots.
5 days ago
Yeah! But like you said making a whole army usually works. I want the cards Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation to give suto haste while, if not, keeping a counter spell or that wonderful Soratami Savant with enough mana up to ensure that my board is able to stay around.
6 days ago
Things to add:Kodama's Reach,Explosive Vegetation,Stomping Ground,Sunpetal Grove,Rootbound Crag,Canopy Vista,Cinder Glade,Artifact Mutation,Aura Mutation,Hour of Reckoning,Cathars' Crusade,Impact Tremors,Warstorm Surge,Dragonlair Spider,Craterhoof Behemoth,Avenger of Zendikar,Rhys the Redeemed,Champion of Lambholt,Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite,Psychotrope Thallid,Iroas, God of Victory,Nacatl War-Pride,Kamahl, Fist of Krosa,Gahiji, Honored One,Eternal Witness,Mirari's Wake,Collective Blessing,Glare of Subdual,True Conviction,Sylvan Library,Privileged Position,Sterling Grove,Selesnya Signet,Commander's Sphere,Darksteel Ingot,Mind Stone,Gavony Township,Decimate,Hull Breach.Things I'd cut:.Grove of the Guardian,Llanowar Reborn,Mogg Hollows,Transguild Promenade,Vivid Meadow,Gruul War Chant,Rites of Flourishing,Zendikar's Roil,Animist's Awakening,Broken Bonds,Gaea's Blessing,Ground Assault,Martial Coup,Molten Disaster,Tempt with Vengeance,Sporoloth Ancient,Thallid Germinator,Verdeloth the Ancient,Zhur-Taa Druid,Vedalken Orrery,Worn Powerstone
1 week ago
Ideally for my Tatyova deck I would have all the fetch lands, Crucible of Worlds (Which I just got), a Strip Mine as an alternative yet douchey win condition if the game goes on too long, Worldly Tutor, Green Sun's Zenith, Magus of the Future, Dryad Arbor, Vedalken Orrery, Leyline of Anticipation, Thrasios, Triton Hero, Thousand-Year Elixir, Thawing Glaciers, Sylvan Library, Sensei's Divining Top, Seedborn Muse, Murkfiend Liege, Scorched Ruins, Roil Elemental, Rhystic Study, Petrified Field, Patron of the Moon, Pathbreaker Ibex, Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Lotus Vale, Kodama's Reach, Into the Wilds, Hall of the Bandit Lord, Breeding Pool, Flooded Grove, Sylvan Scrying, Expedition Map, Eternal Witness, Dreamscape Artist, Concordant Crossroads, Command Beacon, Chromatic Lantern (IF you have all the fetches), Cephalid Coliseum, Boundless Realms, Blackblade Reforged,Alchemist's Refuge. Not sure if I will put all these in but most for sure and there are some good ideas.