Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
+1: Target player puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard. Draw a card.
-8: Draw seven cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, you win the game.
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|Want (6)||Etinifni , BakedJon-Boy , tempDevelopper , BSwCDo , Kongtwenty12 , sillemans|
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|Secret Lair (SLD)||Rare|
|War of the Spark (WAR)||Rare|
Combos Browse all
- Elvish Visionary + Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
- Elsha of the Infinite + Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Sensei's Divining Top
- Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Stroke of Genius
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries Discussion
19 hours ago
How is this site not structured the same way? Although the hubs are not separated in any way (colors, archetypes, etc.), these "themes" are there.
There are 5 cards that realistically do something when you cycle a card. All of them have the text "when you cycle or discard a card". Thus, just use the discard hub.
Bounce theme has nothing to do with bounce - Yuriko, Niv-Mizzet and Golos are the top bounce commanders. The cards are generic enters-the-battlefield cards. So, a more correct hub would be "Enters the Battlefield", but that is so generic it means next to nothing. Perhaps "Flicker" or "Blink" would be most appropriate, but certainly not "Bounce".
Card Draw is equally generic. If your deck has a few cantrip cards, is it a Card Draw deck? Or if your deck features 4 Overwhelming Intellect, is it a Card Draw deck? If an EDH deck of yours uses card draw, it is likely either a group hug deck or a group slug deck. Maybe with Thassa's Oracle and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, a new deck hub could be made to reflect decking yourself as a win condition.
Other sites may have generic, nonsensical categories. However, hubs tend to be more evocative of the archetypes they represent. Eg. Cruel Control is a control deck featuring Cruel Ultimatum.
TLDR: You have to be able to clearly define a new hub and how it differs from existing ones.
1 day ago
OP_Sigma appreciate the comment - I've updated the list since your post. Some major changes today.
Dafufu - Major Updates made today.
Justification: - Rapid Hybridization: With more and more Fish Hulk decks showing up Rapid Hybridization earns a spot for instant speed removal on Thassa's Oracle along with the ability to have that pocket spot removal available.
Jeweled Amulet: Many Urza list have run this since day 1, dropped Trinket Mage for it. Trinket Mage always felt too clunky and was really only in the deck to get Top which was only 1 of 3 piece combo. Grabbing Top with Trinket mage always felt like a step backwards.
Thassa's Oracle, dropped Jace as Thassa's Oracle is just better and offers utility if you do draw the card. Jace was always a dead draw. Now you you do draw Thassa's Oracle you can potentially use it if you're in a dire situation.
Walking Ballista, dropped Fact or Fiction. Out of 50+ Urza matches I've played Fact or Fiction maybe twice. The CMC is too much and very rarely are you in a position unless it's mid-late game to expend the mana on this spell. Every time I have an opening hand with Fact or Fiction I sigh. Walking Ballista has been added an a backup win con but most importantly something another form of spot removal.
Aether Spellbomb, dropped Timetwister as this list doesn't run the Codex Shredder loop. Timetwister had it's fun, half the time you're giving advantage to your opponents. Aether Spellbomb offers potential spot removal, bouncing Urza & bouncing Thassa's Oracle (if played early on). Aether Spellbomb offers utility as well.
1 day ago
Sup Nazaxed, glad ya like Nivvie!~
It's funny ya actually ask about those two specific cards as I have just recently added them in about two days ago. I see potential in Mana Vault when bursting out a lot more artifacts or having that Cyclonic Rift mana open on T3-5. I am still half and half on Mox Opal as I am still testing it out, it was dead in one of my hands in one game but the other games I surprisingly had 3 artifacts on the board usually.
In regards to Torpor Orb, I have been thinking a lot of adding it in. It only shuts down two of my cards and highly worth it so it will probably come in when I see a card that I don't like rn. The only issue I have with this current build is the lack of library reshuffle, at max I would have to do 120 to the table and my only way is Winds of Change. I been thinking of adding back in Mission Briefing and Snapcaster Mage as additional ways to recast Winds of Change. The other alternative thoughts that a friend recommend to me is adding in Thassa's Oracle and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries. So not too sure what to do.
1 week ago
If you’re constantly playing games where you draw out your deck, Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries would be good additions. After Theros Beyond Death, Thassa's Oracle can also act similar to Lab man, and can be used earlier to win if you’ve got enough blue devotion on the field.
enpc on Oracle Core
1 week ago
I know that the preferred option is Cephalid Illusionist + Nomads en-Kor over Blood Pet. I'm guessing the primary reason is for the inclusion of Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, since the two creatures work well with him outside of the hulk combo. I also understand that the benefit they provide is that once Flash resolves, you don't have to cast any more spells (meaning that you can rock Boseiju, Who Shelters All if you really want to, which this list does).
On the topic of Blood Pet though, the comments say it is a dip in card quality outside of combo. Is this purely due to Cephalid Illusionist's ability to prevent damage? Outside of this ability, I would have thought that Blood Pet actiing as a "for future use" mini Dark Ritual was actually the better of the abilities.
On top of this, generally the deployment lines for hulk are either Nomads en-Kor, Cephalid Illusionist and Thassa's Oracle (+ any 1 drop creature); or Blood Pet, Spellseeker (getting Consultation) and Thassa's Oracle. This would imply that the two creature pairs for the combo are either pet/seeker or illusionist/nomads, since you only need one of the two to make the combo work. Of the two of those pairings, the otuside of combo value pairing to me would heavily lean towards seeker/pet as you have a mana source and a tutor on a stick. On top of that, against cards like Linvala, Keeper of Silence or Cursed Totem, you just need to add to make the combo work. And while I know the pet/seeker line gets shut down by Rule of Law type effects, I would think that a stax deck would either run both (Blood Pod) or would rahter shut down creature abilities (GAAIV) rather than limit their spell count.
So is the main tipping point here ultimately just the ability to pair with Boseiju?
On a semi related note, how does this change with addition of red to the deck, since Wild Cantor can take the place of Blood Pet (and is a much stronger card). I recently put together a (completely untested) list for Najeela, the Blade-Blossom which sports the cantor/seeker hulk line: Najeela Fish Hulk and is running sans Jace. In this case, is the cantor/seeker better than the iilusionist/nomads line here or am I still better off swapping?
1 week ago
For personal preference, if you want a more "Competitive" deck, I suggest cutting Karn and Tamiyo and replacing them with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Tainted Pact for more redundancy. If you run the pact, you would have to cut one island (maybe make it a City of Brass) and then change the basics from 2x of each to 1x of regular, 1x of snow-covered.
1 week ago
I'm building my Dralnu deck around Divining Witch and Demonic Consultation. Pretty fun way to exile your entire library in one go, if you want a self-mill way to win with Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries.
1 week ago
With the recent addition of everybody's/nobody's favorite fish Thassa's Oracle, the competitive scene has been in a tizzy trying to figure out how to adapt and react. Most brewers have been fixated on adapting two lists to fish, specifically TnT Flash Hulk and Najeela Consultation Hulk, which are arguably tier 0 deck builds and are head and shoulders ahead of other tier 1 competitive decks because of the printing of Oracle. I think most people have missed a third well known commander who benefits massively from the printing.
Kess, Dissident Mage is very promising in this new meta, and I would like to present the argument that Kess is a tier 0 build in par with TnT Fish Hulk and Layered Najeela.
For those unaware of how the combo works, here we go.
- Start with Kess, Dissident Mage in play
- Use Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact, naming Thassa's Oracle. We now exile until we find Oracle
- Play Thassa's Oracle. We let it resolve, and we put the trigger on the stack.
- We hold priority, and use the ability from Kess, Dissident Mage to play a spell from our GY. The spell we pick is either Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact.
- We resolve the forbidden tutor, naming or digging for a card that isn't in our deck, effectively exiling our entire deck.
- We resolve the winning Oracle trigger to win.
DO NOTE: We must have no duplicates of basic lands in our mana base to use Tainted Pact. While competitive pact players may know this, it is worth restating for the purposes of education and discussion in the thread.
If we are holding Oracle + Pact in hand, we don't need Kess to reuse. We can simply Oracle, then in response to ETB use the pact.
- Thassa's Oracle is cheaper to cast by .
- We do not need to run a draw spell with Oracle in order to win, while we do with Labman. This most likely saves us another mana, and it definitely saves us being required to hold another card to cantrip to win.
- The combo is safer to resolve if we face interaction. We resolve Oracle first, the trigger goes on the stack. A trigger is much harder to counter than a spell. Once the trigger is stacked, anything that happens to Oracle we don't really care about, since we can win with 0 devotion assuming 0 cards in library. Previously, a Laboratory Maniac could be removed in response to whatever draw would cause you to win, meaning you would lose instead.
- Fish Consultation allows you to attempt another win if stopped. Lets say we are on Labman + Pact. If our Tainted Pact resolves, but our labman is countered, we are most likely going to lose. While using Oracle + Pact, if our Pact is countered, we still have our library and can attempt another win. Similarly, because we resolve the Oracle first to get the ETB trigger stacked, we aren't in danger of Oracle getting countered and then us using Pact and being left with no library.
- If you have Kess in play, you can execute the entire combo for 4 mana. If you already have both pieces, you can execute the entire combo for 3 mana and ignore graveyard hate.
So how is this any different than Fish Hulk? Simple. Kess, Dissident Mage can turn a single tutor into a winning line. The ability to use Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact allows us to assemble and execute the entire combo from a single tutor, as the component that exiles for us also tutors the second card needed for the combo. This means that Kess + Forbidden Tutor is a winning line, similar to how Najeela has a few different one card combos with the commander for winning. Before the Oracle printing, a Kess deck would also have to stock up on cheap "draw a card" spells to supplement the Consultation strategy. Now that need is gone, and the overall strategy can be executed much faster due to the lower mana cost requirements and also card requirements. This means that you have more ability to simply race other decks if that is the best gameplan. The value nature of Kess allows you to go longer in grindier games or match ups. Most decks are pigeonholed into all-in combo or grindier control, but the speed and resilience of the combo paired with being able to reuse our GY really gives Kess the best of both worlds.
I would also argue that new printings have added resilience and more consistency to the build as well. Spellseeker is another way to find the 1 card wincon. Dark Petition is certainly more fringe but could very well see play, especially in lists that skew Ad Nauseam for Bonus Round. Scheming Symmetry is another new topdeck tutor, and the symmetry can be broken on it by cantripping, then immediately starting the winning line. The deck will continue to benefit from any new usable tutors, removal, or card draw that is printed, and these new prints won't invalidate lines or cause grief when making changes for them.
The final piece of the puzzle is the large amount of flex slots in a Kess deck. If you want an additional combo, you can slot it pretty easy and there are good choices. If you want more hate pieces because you see Fish Hulk every pod, you can grab things like Cursed Totem very easily. Lots of green dorks or creature heavy boards you can get Pyroclasm and friends. Kess is blue, and already slots a good amount of counterspells and interaction. On top of protecting the combo, you can also choose to play a more midrange game and stop win attempts early, and grind value before comboing out later. Alternatively, you can just jam the combo if you have the tutors and mana to make it work. While Flash is easier to cast, Flash Hulk does require two pieces in hand to get the combo rolling, making it easier to see coming and harder to assemble.
Of course, Fish has other applications. Hermit Druid spiked in price for a reason, as did Sacred Guide. A card like Hermit Druid also requires haste enablers to make it go, which lowers your overall card quality and puts the pilot into awkward binds of either jamming the Druid and passing a rotation, or holding Druid in hand and trying to assemble Greaves + Druid or Banditland + Druid. Sacred Guide similarly hurts deckbuilding, mostly by requiring that a color in the identity be completely ignored for the sake of the combo. They are also basically worthless outside of the combo. Tainted Pact is an enabler and a tutor at instant speed, as is Demonic Consultation. You can always use them to fetch Pact of Negation or Force of Will in a pinch, should you have no other options to stop an opponent from winning. While it is unlikely you are going to win after exiling 0-99 cards in order to find whatever you name, you are being improved from "losing" to "most likely losing". The most important part of it is though that the forbidden tutors are actually tutoring while exiling, serving a dual purpose in the deck and improving slot efficiency. This even has a leg up over other Consultation builds, where the forbidden tutors are seen mostly as dead-draws for A + B for winning.
TL;DR Consultation Kess is also arguably a tier 0 build and was a big winner from the Fish printing.