Meishin, the Mind Cage

Legendary Enchantment

All creatures get -X/-0, where X is the number of cards in your hand.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (50)

carpecanum on

10 months ago

That's why I asked with Curiosity.

If you want more shenanagins ... Meishin, the Mind Cage neuters a lot of decks but your commander can still ping for one point at a time. Neko-Te is nicer than giving your boss Deathtouch but not by much. Same with Sigil of Sleep.

Mystic Speculation is a cheap spell you can cast over and over.

legendofa on New hubs to be added

11 months ago

Card Draw Matters has been added.

Immortalys Dedicated Draw does have a nice alliteration, but it's not quite is as recognizable at a glance as Card Draw Matters. Hand Size Matters is too vague, since it could include anything from 8-Rack (opponent has small hand) decks to Fevered Visions (opponent has big hand) to Hellbent (you have small hand) to Meishin, the Mind Cage and Alrund, God of the Cosmos  ^Flip (you have big hand) like you mentioned. Each of these has a couple of established decks, and they don't have much in common aside from wanting someone to have a certain number of cards in their hand. Big Hand is a potential option, but that's going to need some research to see how much depth and variation there is.

Immortalys on New hubs to be added

1 year ago

So about a Card Draw tag, how about "Dedicated Draw"? It's both specific enough that you would know that your deck has to be dedicated to drawing cards, but also broad enough to include different kinds of drawing cards styles. It also has alliteration which makes it sound more like a specific existing strategy than just an overall descriptor of drawing cards.

Second point, and this one might be a little too narrow/unintuitive, but maybe "Hand Size Matters" as a seperate tag from Dedicated Draw? There are cards that give you unlimited hand size ofcourse, but also cards that care about the amount of cards in your hand (Alrund, God of the Cosmos  ^Flip, Meishin, the Mind Cage) and maybe if WotC prints new cards like Gnat Miser and Locust Miser that could be included as well

Immortalys on Card Draw Tag

1 year ago

So I just made a Jhoira, Weatherlight Legends deck, focussing on Legends (of course) with a card draw theme.

With a Card Draw theme I mean cards like Jori En, Ruin Diver, Kraum, Ludevic's Opus and Honden of Seeing Winds for straight up card draw.

Cards like Alandra, Sky Dreamer and Minn, Wily Illusionist for second card drawn each turn (I know this is a tag already).

Cards that pay of drawing lots of cards like Niv-Mizzet, Parun, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, The Locust God and Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim.

Cards that pay you off for having lots of cards in hand like Alrund, God of the Cosmos  ^Flip, Hisoka, Minamo Sensei and Meishin, the Mind Cage.

And other cards with card draw synergies like Teferi's Ageless Insight and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries.

Also cards that grant an unlimited hand size like Nezahal, Primal Tide, Thought Vessel, Decanter of Endless Water, Wizard Class and the good old Reliquary Tower.

So how come there is no Card Draw tag yet?

carpecanum on Autostubbin' by Commander's Quarters

1 year ago

Sigil of Sleep is awesome on a "1 damage to each opponent" creature.

Cosmotronic Wave, Wojek Embermage, Dismiss into Dream

If you are causing damage out of combat Meishin, the Mind Cage won't hurt you and puts a lot of decks out of business.

carpecanum on Ghyrson Pinger

1 year ago

Wojek Embermage, Neko-Te, Cosmotronic Wave, Shockmaw Dragon

Since you don't need to attack you could use Meishin, the Mind Cage to make all creatures that aren't pingers impotent.

carpecanum on Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph [Gunslinger]

1 year ago

Sorry, didn't see the "what to replace" request. Throne of the God-Pharaoh seems underwhelming here. Silverclad Ferocidons is amazing but its also the highest cmc card you have and i bet creature control isn't the problem you'll be having on turn 6-7. Also, you'll be hitting the Ferocidon for 3 points each time because your commanders ability affects you and its not optional.

If you find the deck needs more defense i'd look at Stormtide Leviathan and I LOVE Meishin, the Mind Cage in my pinger deck. Late game and suddenly nobody can cause damage but you.

Grapeshot might not be as useful as some other spells because it needs to target.

Mannlicher on Psycho Bunny Wonderland

1 year ago

Preface:

This deck was an idea to use some of my old cards, and also see just how nuts I could go with Kwain, Itinerant Meddler. This deck is a spider-web of synergy and combos, multiple infinite combos, and complete bonkers level shenanigans lurking behind a friendly-looking magic rabbit. This is not a budget deck, but in a gracious nod to Lewis Carroll, it is incredibly fun to go "down the rabbit-hole".

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At it's core, the deck is group hug with card-draw, card based mana-ramp, and multiple options for life-gain. I use a few card-draw creatures as well, such as Shabraz, the Skyshark for their synergy with Kwain. Alternate win conditions include Approach of the Second Sun, Jace's Archivist, Windfall, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Triskaidekaphile, and Test of Endurance; but the deck is also perfectly capable of beating someone to death with a giant fish - or a giant anything thanks to numerous life-gain options paired with an Archangel of Thune.

The deck has several prison elements with Moat, Silent Arbiter, and Archon of Emeria, as well as Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, and Sphere of Safety. Silent Arbiter and Crawlspace help directly reduce the deck's exposure to attack, along with Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer for any specific threats or "when attacks" triggers. Finally, since this deck does not rely on creatures or doing damage to win, and generates lots of cards in hand, Meishin, the Mind Cage is an easy way to reduce all opponents' creatures to 0 power. For direct damage and targeted attacks outside of combat, the deck includes The Wanderer and Greater Auramancy.

Card draw, treasure tokens, and unlimited hand-size combine with four different Tutors, an Urza's Saga, and a Teferi's Puzzle Box help you keep multiple options in hand, and hopefully keep Kwain hopping one or two steps ahead of your opponents (Remember to use the tutors before your Teferi's Puzzle Box hits the board). Tidal Barracuda, and Vedalken Orrery let you cast anything on anyone's turn. Walking Atlas helps get rid of lands anytime it's not tapped (another combo with Mind Over Matter), and Drumbellower and Teferi, Who Slows the Sunset make sure you're able to untap on every turn, so you can play cards anytime - including win-cons like Laboratory Maniac or Jace's Archivist on an opponent's end-step, then draw for the win.

Circling back to Sphere of Safety - the deck runs 18 enchantments natively, but also features Enchanted Evening to turn everyone's permanents into enchantments. (The deck also conveniently includes Cleansing Nova to destroy all enchantments, which is an absolutely devastating total board wipe when paired with Enchanted Evening, especially if you have Avacyn, Angel of Hope in play on your side). With Enchanted Evening on the board and Sphere of Safety, every permanent you control also counts toward your opponents' cost to attack you for each creature they target you with. Comboing Enchanted Evening, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, and Greater Auramancy means every permanent has both indestructible and shroud, and prevents your planeswalkers from being targeted (or targeted for attacks) directly.

I am only running two counterspells, Mana Drain and Force of Negation, so the deck uses Dovescape to lock down any stray non-creature spells, as well as Tidal Barracuda and ultimately Forced Fruition to further reduce any errant spellcasting. And in this deck, Dovescape not only helps creates magnitudes of tokens, but each of those tokens is potentially an enchantment when it hits the board. With Enchanted Evening in play, those tokens, or ... literally ... any ... other card you play, combos off Archon of Sun's Grace to instantly create infinite (enchantment) pegasus tokens, and become effectively a 1 card infinite combo of 2/2 flying (avoiding Moat) lifelink pegasus. Every. Single. Time. any permanent hits the board under your control after you have both in play.

The Deck includes a The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale to help keep down on the riff-raff, (plus kill off a few billion pegasus every turn), and helps tie up opponent's mana; meshing with the prison cards we already use. For its own mana, there are some basic mana-rocks and a Smothering Tithe to help offset some of the higher casting cost spells if Braids, Conjurer Adept is not on the board.

The Smothering Tithe pairs well with sheer card-draw provided through Forced Fruition, Temple Bell, Kami of the Crescent Moon, and Kwain, Itinerant Meddler to almost guarantee several dozen treasure tokens each turn and help the deck rapidly ramp to maintain both card and board advantage towards casting an Omniscience.

More combo madness, Teferi's Puzzle Box helps spin through the deck looking for lands and combo solutions. Teferi's Puzzle Box also combos really well with Shabraz, the Skyshark and Alhammarret's Archive, effectively doubling the card-draw effect of Teferi's Puzzle Box each draw phase - and Sphinx of the Second Sun provides double the draw-phases per turn, so you're geometrically quadrupling your cards in hand each turn (and possibly playing them for free). And, for every card you draw, the shark is growing, your life is growing, and if you have the Archangel of Thune, everything else is growing too.

If you want to discard cards from your hand, to hit Triskaidekaphile for instance, or just go infinite with your commander, you can use Mind Over Matter, Omniscience, or Peace of Mind to manipulate your hand-size and either play or discard. The deck includes an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Timetwister and Elixir of Immortality to shuffle your graveyard back into your hand, as well as Displacer Kitten and Angel of Finality to exile your opponents' graveyards with a quick bounce.

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Summary Combos:

Forced Fruition + Smothering Tithe == Treasure Tokens

Teferi's Puzzle Box + Shabraz, the Skyshark == Giant Shark and TONS of life-gain every turn

Teferi's Puzzle Box + Shabraz, the Skyshark + Alhammarret's Archive == Sheer madness

Teferi's Puzzle Box + Shabraz, the Skyshark + Alhammarret's Archive + Archangel of Thune == Same as above, but now ALL of your creatures grow exponentially, every turn

Kwain, Itinerant Meddler + (any of the above) == even more nuts

Kwain, Itinerant Meddler + Mind Over Matter == Infinite combo, draw your deck

Kwain, Itinerant Meddler + Mind Over Matter + (any "if you cannot draw you win") = instant win

Enchanted Evening + Sphere of Safety == every card you have counts towards attack cost

Enchanted Evening + Cleansing Nova == total board wipe (lands, creatures, artifacts, all permanents)

Enchanted Evening + Aura Fracture + (any land) == targeted removal of any permanent

Enchanted Evening + Archon of Sun's Grace == infinite flying pegasus whenever ANY card hits the board under your control, even treasure tokens from Forced Fruition.

Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy == every card you play has shroud when it comes into play, but will interfere with Mind Over Matter combo with Kwain.

Sheer Card Draw and hand-size + Mind Over Matter == you can tap or untap whatever you want, whenever you want, and you can reshuffle your graveyard with Elixir of Immortality or Timetwister.

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There's more I could write about with additional combos and card interactions, but those are the highlights. The deck is just all-out madness to play and can quietly build and recycle cards until it comes out of nowhere with an 600/600 flying shark. I enjoy it. I hope you will as well.

Thank you.