Target player sacrifices an attacking creature.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
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|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Uncommon|
|Modern Horizons (MH1)||Uncommon|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Uncommon|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Wing Shards Discussion
1 week ago
The subject of this thread revolves around dealing with and counteracting against the commanders: Uril, the Miststalker, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Dragonlord Ojutai, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Thrun, the Last Troll as well as commanders that consistently or typically give themselves hexproof through various equipments/auras.
While it may not be the most prevalent strategy these types of commanders can be annoying to deal with. I'd like to create a discussion on what are the best ways to deal with these commanders. Given how niche these commanders can be, running cards that exclusively dedicate themselves to their removal may be detrimental to draw into when playing a game where none of your opponents run them. Therefore cards that can both combat massive hexproof creatures as well as still being useful to have if none of your opponents are playing with big hexproof creatures should be taken into consideration when deciding what is the "best" or "most practical" solution to combating hexproof strategies.
The first cards that come to mind are Arcane Lighthouse, Detection Tower, Bonds of Mortality, Shadowspear and Glaring Spotlight. These cards entirely dedicate themselves to combating hexproof strategies, and while this may be a detriment when used against non-hexproof strategies, these cards do lend themselves some extra utility. Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower can be seeded into your manabase so at worst they're just a Wastes however they can be more inefficient in comparison. Given that both are lands, tapping them costs you an extra mana resource effectively making their abilities cost to activate. Not only that, but they have no effect at stripping indestructible which can be a common keyboard which may be used alongside most hexproof strategies. Cards like Bonds of Mortality and Shadowspear cost only one to activate and they can bypass indestructible, however given they're not lands you have to dedicate a nonland slot in your deck to accommodate either of them which means taking out a card that may better synergize with your deck's main strategy in their place. They also lend themselves targets for counter spells and given hexproof decks contain white and/or green, artifact/enchantment removal will pose a high potential risk. This is all not to mention you still need to provide a removal spell in tandem with these cards in order to remove the threat.
Another solution is board wipes. Cards such as Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict, Blasphemous Act, etc. Mass creature removal is incredibly strong given that its always relevant in most metas making it a highly flexible solution that isn't too narrow to rely upon. It's biggest drawback however is if the massive hexproof creature that needs to be dealt with has indestructible, totem armor or Gift of Immortality. Even a card such as Toxic Deluge can be a risk as you may have to pay a huge amount of life if the creature is incredibly big. Cyclonic Rift is another effective card. One thing to note about boardwipes are they affect the whole table which makes them also more likelier to be countered than by effects that impact a single individual.
A more narrow solution would be through damage prevention effects such as Story Circle, Forcefield, Runed Halo, Rune of Protection: White, etc. Given each card never "targets" they can be used to infinitely "Fog" a problem creature that you can't put up with. These effects are more narrow than boardwipes but broader than hexproof removal. Cards like these still run into problems with artifact/enchantment removal and they don't run enticing side effects such as drawing a card upon entering the battlefield like Bonds of Mortality or giving a creature lifelink and trample like Shadowspear, however you won't need to exhaust your removal spells to keep the large creature(s) either. In more broader metas such as combo, stax and prison, these effects may not be as useful however. More broader variants of these protection cards exist as Ensnaring Bridge, Divine Presence, Peacekeeper and Meekstone though these cards may make multiple opponents unhappy enough to remove them than the more narrower options.
The last effect used to combat large hexproof creatures is sacrifice effects such as: Fleshbag Marauder, Innocent Blood, Vona's Hunger, Liliana's Triumph, Doomfall etc. These effects can bypass not only hexproof but also indestructible, regenerate and totem armor. Their drawback lies in if the player with the large hexproof creature has any other creatures to sacrifice in their place. Because of this caveat this effect isn't too strong unless ran in multiples which can be difficult to commit to in a 100-card format. Instead selective sacrifice effects may be the best way to devote to this solution with cards like: Crackling Doom, Soul Shatter, Slaughter the Strong, Council's Judgment, Renounce the Guilds and Wing Shards. While these cards won't always guarantee the large hexproof creature will be removed, they provide a stronger case than not compared to most traditional sacrifice removal.
Lastly there are counter spells to remove hexproof creatures. While they may be the best all purpose solution they can be rendered ineffective if a Cavern of Souls or some other can not be countered effect is in place. With exception to Withering Boon, the biggest downside to counter spells are they are entirely exclusive to blue meaning other color combinations without blue do not have this option available.
Which method do you rely on to stop massive hexproof creatures? Is there a card or solution set not listed here that you use? If you happen to play EDH decks with big massive hexproof creatures, which effects annoy/counter you the most?
2 months ago
Help me out here - why run Survivors' Encampment in a mono-white deck? You have no use for nonwhite mana and no card that cares about deserts. Wouldn't it be better to replace them with basic Plains? This also doesn't really feel like a sensible home for Reliquary Tower, since you have exactly one way to draw more than one card per turn. White isn't known for getting a huge hand size.
If you want to run a cool nonbasic land, Emeria, The Sky Ruin is a good fit for slow decks with big creatures like this. You'd probably want to drop the Seraph Sanctuaries for Plains if you ran it, but being able to bring an angel back every turn is huge!
Speaking of being slow and big... I think you might have too many expensive cards and not enough to do early in a game. Big powerful angels are great, but... they won't help you if your opponent can beat you down before you have enough mana to cast one, you know? I'd consider cutting out some of the weaker "big" cards - such as Angel of Renewal, Angel of the God-Pharaoh, Seraph of the Suns and Voice of the Provinces - for cheaper cards that can help you survive long enough to play your big cards. Good options I'd consider include Wall of Omens, Condemn and Wing Shards. Another option is getting to play your big cards faster with some acceleration like Marble Diamond, Worn Powerstone or Oketra's Monument.
Hope this advice helps your deck be all that it can be!
2 months ago
Hello Bramdal thank you for the suggestions.
I think Thraben Inspector is slow for this deck. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben probably in sideboard. Charming Prince, he can bounce Thalia's Lieutenant and soldier and knight protecting a noble why not ! haha I like the idea but I prefer focus on humans/soldiers/knights in priority. Militia Bugler could be nice to retrieve some cards but I probably go for Benalish Marshal. Basri's Lieutenant seems nice but not in the mainboard.
Concerning the cards you would cut :
Akrasan Squire and Fiendslayer Paladin will be in first line. Martial Coup will follow but not yet decided the substitution. Launch the Fleet is the signature card of this deck :) Wing Shards don't know yet. Knight Exemplar will replace Fiendslayer Paladin
2 months ago
a few suggestions:
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben,
Basri's Lieutenant(4 Mana might be to high, but he is really nice with Thalia's Lieutenant.
cards i would consider to cut:
Launch the Fleet,
Fiendslayer Paladin (exept you know, your opponents gonna play red or black, otherwise this would be better in a sideboard, maybe together with Mirran Crusader),
Knight Exemplar (I think your knight count is to low),
4 months ago
Spellskite, Crackling Doom, Wing Shards, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Solemnity, Sudden Death, Sudden Shock, Engineered Explosives, Chalice of the Void, Deflecting Palm, Grim Lavamancer, Darkblast, Night of Souls' Betrayal, Collective Brutality, Wipe Away, Polymorphist's Jest, Sudden Spoiling, Go for the Throat, Porphyry Nodes
8 months ago
so, after rigorous playtesting, I have come up with some cards to cut and add that will hopefully msk the deck better:
Alabaster Kirin This does absolutely nothing, has no prison effects, and is kinda useless here
Baird, Steward of Argive His prison effect is okay, but you can definitely slot in better options for not too much more money
Knight of Sursi Once again, just a vanilla card that doesn't do anything except get a small body on the battlefield, which isnt very good in commander, even if it is indestructible
Misthoof Kirin Only really okay in a morph deck, this is kinda useless here
Segovian Angel a 1/1 with vigilance has to swing 120 times to win. just a terrible card all around.
Silver Knight Kinda bad, doesn't really do much .
Shepherd of the Lost this would be good if it have every other creature it's abilities, but alas, it's kinda terrible, especially because I'm smelling a voltron sub-theme around Avacyn
White Knight Unless your in a very black heavy meta, this is just bad, and is barley passable even if you have said meta
All your lands except basic plains. You need more utility lands, not just non-basics that do nothing
Wing Shards This one is debatable, although I don't see you casting a bunch of spells and having the mana to cast this, due to the lack of ramp you have.
Armillary Sphere bad ramp
Traveler's Amulet bad ramp
Orazca Relic have fun waiting 5 turns to get blessing and then only drawing one card
Take Vengeance crappy removal
Bishop of Wings I don't see this deck supporting an angel tribal
all the Moxen, while expensive, they are amazing and can let you ramp to Avacyn as soon as turn 3
Sol Ring amazing ramp
Thran Dynamo amazing ramp
Commander's Sphere great ramp
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben super good stax/prison
Sphere of Safety typically opponents will have to pay 3-4 for each attacking creature. brutal
Sword of Fire and Ice really good equipment that deals with the two most problematic colors to this deck, however it's very expensive.
Path to Exile great removal
Blazing Archon if you're playing prison with Avacyn out, you basically can't lose
Windborn Muse STAXXXXX
Pacifism good removal
Norn's Annex great way to both deter your opponents and punish them for attacking you
Smothering Tithe you will be generating a TON of mana
Crawlspace amazing pillow fort card
Archangel of Tithes amazing pillow fort, and has the flavor bonus of being an angel
Felidar Sovereign you will probably always have 40 or more life, especially with all the stax you're throwing around, so easy wincon
Approach of the Second Sun another great wincon
Aegis of the Gods great for not getting burned out
Generous Gift awesome removal
Teferi's Protection because teferi's protection
Elixir of Immortality amazing card to clutch up with
Thought Vessel good ability plus some ramp
Homeward Path great land
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx always great in a mono colored deck. Even better with Avacyn's triple-cost
Maze of Ith great utility land
Tectonic Edge great land destruction
Field of Ruin great land destruction
Thanks so much for reading my list, and I hope this has been some help to you. My main problem with this deck was it ran too much inefficient removal and bad creatures, but once these are added in, I think the deck should be a lot for mean. Have a great day! =)
1 year ago
You said in your thread in the deck help forum that you wanted to get it down to 66, so that is 18 cuts.
Trespasser's Curse - Curses feel unnecessarily antagonistic and this one doesn't do much.
Curator's Ward - Unlikely to ever draw you cards.
Ashes of the Abhorrent - Not good unless your meta is very graveyard heavy.
Prowler's Helm - Not a very good piece of evasion equipment.
Wing Shards - Bad except against voltron.
Nightmare's Thirst - Hardly ever going to kill anything of importance.
Mana Leak - The type of games you are likely to play with this deck tax counters won't matter.
Convolute - See above.
Healing Grace - 1 shot small amounts of lifegain aren't worth a card slot.
Dark Ritual - Rituals aren't great in commander unless it is to ramp directly into a victory and you have no insta-wins.
Vampire Sovereign - ETB doesn't justify paying the price for the body in a non-blink deck.
Angel of the God-Pharaoh - 6 mana 4/4 isn't worth it just because it has cycling.
Diamond Mare - Going to gain you much less life than you think it will.
Underworld Coinsmith - Effects aren't strong enough.
Bonus round, these cards are all relatively weak and I really think that maybe you wanted angel tribal and didn't want to say it was a tribal deck.
1 year ago
So here is my update Gidgetimer. I am adding Drogskol Reaver , and dropping Severed Strands . The cards like Revival / Revenge is mostly for ending the game, and Blood Tribute . Generally my group isnt like, u could say luke super competetive. I like to say we are newbies. I am prob keeping Counterlash . I might change it out later. I thought it might be interesting. Seal Away I also going out. So here is the final.
I don't know about Swords to Plowshares . I am going to make big changes over time. Thx for commenting.