Renounce the Guilds
Each player sacrifices a multicolored permanent.
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|Dragon's Maze (DGM)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Renounce the Guilds Discussion
2 days ago
The subject of this thread revolves around dealing with and counteracting against the commanders: Uril, the Miststalker, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Dragonlord Ojutai, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Thrun, the Last Troll as well as commanders that consistently or typically give themselves hexproof through various equipments/auras.
While it may not be the most prevalent strategy these types of commanders can be annoying to deal with. I'd like to create a discussion on what are the best ways to deal with these commanders. Given how niche these commanders can be, running cards that exclusively dedicate themselves to their removal may be detrimental to draw into when playing a game where none of your opponents run them. Therefore cards that can both combat massive hexproof creatures as well as still being useful to have if none of your opponents are playing with big hexproof creatures should be taken into consideration when deciding what is the "best" or "most practical" solution to combating hexproof strategies.
The first cards that come to mind are Arcane Lighthouse, Detection Tower, Bonds of Mortality, Shadowspear and Glaring Spotlight. These cards entirely dedicate themselves to combating hexproof strategies, and while this may be a detriment when used against non-hexproof strategies, these cards do lend themselves some extra utility. Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower can be seeded into your manabase so at worst they're just a Wastes however they can be more inefficient in comparison. Given that both are lands, tapping them costs you an extra mana resource effectively making their abilities cost to activate. Not only that, but they have no effect at stripping indestructible which can be a common keyboard which may be used alongside most hexproof strategies. Cards like Bonds of Mortality and Shadowspear cost only one to activate and they can bypass indestructible, however given they're not lands you have to dedicate a nonland slot in your deck to accommodate either of them which means taking out a card that may better synergize with your deck's main strategy in their place. They also lend themselves targets for counter spells and given hexproof decks contain white and/or green, artifact/enchantment removal will pose a high potential risk. This is all not to mention you still need to provide a removal spell in tandem with these cards in order to remove the threat.
Another solution is board wipes. Cards such as Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict, Blasphemous Act, etc. Mass creature removal is incredibly strong given that its always relevant in most metas making it a highly flexible solution that isn't too narrow to rely upon. It's biggest drawback however is if the massive hexproof creature that needs to be dealt with has indestructible, totem armor or Gift of Immortality. Even a card such as Toxic Deluge can be a risk as you may have to pay a huge amount of life if the creature is incredibly big. Cyclonic Rift is another effective card. One thing to note about boardwipes are they affect the whole table which makes them also more likelier to be countered than by effects that impact a single individual.
A more narrow solution would be through damage prevention effects such as Story Circle, Forcefield, Runed Halo, Rune of Protection: White, etc. Given each card never "targets" they can be used to infinitely "Fog" a problem creature that you can't put up with. These effects are more narrow than boardwipes but broader than hexproof removal. Cards like these still run into problems with artifact/enchantment removal and they don't run enticing side effects such as drawing a card upon entering the battlefield like Bonds of Mortality or giving a creature lifelink and trample like Shadowspear, however you won't need to exhaust your removal spells to keep the large creature(s) either. In more broader metas such as combo, stax and prison, these effects may not be as useful however. More broader variants of these protection cards exist as Ensnaring Bridge, Divine Presence, Peacekeeper and Meekstone though these cards may make multiple opponents unhappy enough to remove them than the more narrower options.
The last effect used to combat large hexproof creatures is sacrifice effects such as: Fleshbag Marauder, Innocent Blood, Vona's Hunger, Liliana's Triumph, Doomfall etc. These effects can bypass not only hexproof but also indestructible, regenerate and totem armor. Their drawback lies in if the player with the large hexproof creature has any other creatures to sacrifice in their place. Because of this caveat this effect isn't too strong unless ran in multiples which can be difficult to commit to in a 100-card format. Instead selective sacrifice effects may be the best way to devote to this solution with cards like: Crackling Doom, Soul Shatter, Slaughter the Strong, Council's Judgment, Renounce the Guilds and Wing Shards. While these cards won't always guarantee the large hexproof creature will be removed, they provide a stronger case than not compared to most traditional sacrifice removal.
Lastly there are counter spells to remove hexproof creatures. While they may be the best all purpose solution they can be rendered ineffective if a Cavern of Souls or some other can not be countered effect is in place. With exception to Withering Boon, the biggest downside to counter spells are they are entirely exclusive to blue meaning other color combinations without blue do not have this option available.
Which method do you rely on to stop massive hexproof creatures? Is there a card or solution set not listed here that you use? If you happen to play EDH decks with big massive hexproof creatures, which effects annoy/counter you the most?
5 months ago
I love that you're running Renounce the Guilds! It's really sweet, but you don't see it much. I'd take out Wojek Siren, possibly putting in Sentinel's Eyes. I also think your all-basic manabase can afford Rogue's Passage.
1 year ago
hi, just watched the Legendary Creature Podcast and as someone that loves mono white AND Eight-and-a-Half Tails, i'd like to put some input in the deck.
first of all, i would cut ALL of the unsynergistic "lose-less" cards like: Dawn Elemental , Blinding Angel , Guardian of the Gateless , Palisade Giant , Platinum Angel , Selfless Squire , Ghostly Prison , Pariah , and Gideon of the Trials . none of these cards advance your game state, or put you closer to a win. If anything these cards only help you durdle around, hoping you can squeeze out a cheeky win. you already run the 3 circle of protection cards that will more or less synergistically do most of that already, and you can also add Idyllic Tutor as redundancy. i would probably replace the lose-less cards for more hatebears, like Aven Mindcensor , Angel of Jubilation , and Containment Priest . you're also running only 2 creatures with an etb effects, so cards like Torpor Orb and Hushwing Gryff can be very back breaking against other more creature based decks.
snow-covered plains are cheap right now. so possibly investing in Extraplanar Lens (which unfortunately isn't cheap) might be something worth while for the deck.
i noticed you ran Steelshaper's Gift in the video, but it's not in your current list. need an update? if you don't already have it, Open the Armory is also a good way to look for those voltron pieces.
you only have 6 cards in your entire deck that can shuffle your making Sensei's Divining Top mostly a waste of time, at that point Crystal Ball would do you better as you can scry away "bad" cards at the top of your library, unlike SDT. if you add the 5 fetchlands, and more tutors then you can reconsider it.
adding Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the deck can make temple of the false god and maze of ith tap for mana, BUT it also allows you to run some extra spicy cards like Karma and Royal Decree which, with any of the circle of protection cards, for 1 mana you can make it 1 sided.
Illumination a solid counterspell that people won't see coming, and you can stop gross cards like omniscience, and mind over matter.
Renounce the Guilds is also a great way to kill everyone's non-mono color deck commanders.
Cavalier of Dawn is also a strong include.
end notes: try to keep your deck as low to the ground as possible, with a very low mana curve, you want to play cards but also keep as much mana open to do any of your 8.5 shinanigans. if you spend 6+ mana on a spell on your man phase, it really limits what you can and cant do on other people's turns, which you want to mainly be doing with a commander like 8.5 that screams CONTROL.
1 year ago
This deck is a massive win for Vorthos! Grasp of the Hieromancer is perfect flavour. Return to the Ranks may also assist. Gideon's Sacrifice is also a good one. You may also want to add the new Oketra. Oust is iffy. Renounce the Guilds is a pretty good board wipe in this deck. This is all I have for you I am afraid.
1 year ago
Thran Lens allows your creatures to block Animar and possibly remove him if any have deathtouch.
If you're playing 1 vs 1 Council's Judgment can always remove Animar.
Deathgrip is probably your BEST counterspell.
Since Animar starts as a 1/1 cards like Engineered Plague , Night of Souls' Betrayal , Curse of Death's Hold , Ethereal Absolution , and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite make him die instantly before he can ever get big. (If he's already out and pumped up before you can get one out just use a board wipe and he'll be stuck in the command zone until the Animar player can remove this effect.)
Chalice of the Void on 3 makes it so Animar can't be cast.
1 year ago
Sylvan Caryatid is the bird you can't bolt and Fertile Ground is an enchantment, so less removal exists. Fleecemane Lion won't die to creature damage, since it's a destroy effect, the only thing that will kill it is board wipes like Languish or sacrifice effects Renounce the Guilds. Your opponent has to spend removal on it before it's monstrous, which means they can't remove something else later. As for it only being a 4/4, Hollow One is a 4/4 and it defined a modern deck...
If you want an Anointed Procession deck (also known as Parallel Lives) then Voice of Resurgence, Mimic Vat, Soul Foundry and Rhys the Redeemed spring to mind alongside the cards I mentioned earlier...
1 year ago
I would take a look at my boy Sram, Senior Artificer. He will draw you a truckload of cards while you suit up your pupper. He also has a neat interaction with flickering ward to continually draw cards.
Renounce the Guilds is a fun "Gotha" card and is excellent at killing commanders.
If you are into infect, Grafted Exoskeleton will get you there.
Hero's Blade is like a permanent buff to your commander and the auto equip is great.
Quietus Spike will instantly kill an opponent above 40 life and is a huge threat by itself.