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When Oblivion Ring enters the battlefield, exile another target nonland permanent.
When Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control.
kamarupa on Mondrak WIP
2 weeks ago
Not sure what your budget is, but Anointed Procession is basically the same thing as Mondrak, Glory Dominus, except a little more expensive to buy and not legendary.
Usually, when I think about tokens, I think of instants and sorceries. That said, I did put together a build recently that synergizes Tocasia's Welcome with creatures that can T: make a token. You might find some token ideas there (or not?) Halo, and Welcome!.
Ossification is a decent spell, but most the other enchantments aren't worth it. Classic spells are hard to beat. Path to Exile. Oblivion Ring. If there are threats those don't cover, Generous Gift covers everything. Since it looks like you're running a Poison counter wincon, if you're going to pump, instants are the best way to do it. This is because you should only need one or two spells to hit lethal. If you enchant, your opponent will know which to block, but if you instant a buff, you can dodge the blocker.
I think you should try to run 22 lands.
Try to reduce the number of different creatures you include to about 6, increasing the number of each so the total creature count is close to the same.
Abaques on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
1 month ago
I played against Mommy Norn last week at my LGS's commander night. It wasn't an optimized deck, but the card has a real gravity on the game. My deck only contained a handful of ETB effects, but was none-the-less hurt by it being in play. I think the other two non-Norn players were impacted a bit more, but it certainly changes the way that you play. Oblivion Ring type cards are just sooo much value.
In the end we hated the Elesh player out of the game because none of us felt we could beat them one on one. I think that's likely going to be the case for most times Momma Norn gets played as a commander and I think that's why it doesn't deserve a ban. It will get soft-banned by the community.
I think it will be less impactful in the 99, but none-the-less will put a target on your head once it's on the battlefield.
Squee_Spirit_Guide on What's your dream play?
1 month ago
I love seeing these wild scenarios I never would have thought of!
For me, it has to be Barren Glory, Oblivion Ring, Worldfire. I have it as a wincon in my storm deck. I've only pulled it off a few times, but it is so satifying :)
Rhadamanthus on What happens when oblivion ring …
1 month ago
In the way you describe the situation, the triggered ability from Oblivion Ring would simply fizzle and do nothing. There won't be another target chosen.
The ability that triggers when Oblivion Ring enters the battlefield has a target, but Oblivion Ring doesn't have any targets when it's being cast as a spell (contrast this with Auras, which do need to have a valid target for their "Enchant N" ability when being cast). It would be perfectly legal to cast an Oblivion Ring while no nonland permanents are on the board, and then the trigger will just do nothing if a legal target can't be chosen for it.
In your example: Oblivion Ring is cast, it enters the battlefield, the ability triggers and targets Mother of Runes, then Mother of Runes is activated in response to protect itself. When the triggered ability tries to start resolving it will see that it has no legal targets and will fizzle.
However, if Mother of Runes was activated after Oblivion Ring was cast but before it entered the battlefield (and before a target for the trigger is chosen), then Oblivion Ring's controller will have to choose something else to target with the triggered ability after it enters the battlefield.
evantyde on What happens when oblivion ring …
1 month ago
I think I might have figured it out: Oblivion Ring must have a legal target when being played, so by tapping Mother of Runes, that target is no longer legal and can not be chosen. If there were another creature out that creature would have to be chosen instead as a legal target.
Arrzarrina on Roon Shenanigans
2 months ago
19/01/2023 changes: There have been a few rounds of changes. Removed counterspells to attempt to make the deck to make more fun to play against, sold the Mox Diamond because it's become worth a mint in the last 7 years, added more draw and refocused the deck on creature ETB based interaction instead of something like Oblivion Ring. It's a good card but I don't get the value that I could get out of a Fiend Hunter. You know where I'm going with this. I've also added more mana fixing to the land base and adjusted colours for the new balance.
- - 1x Akroma, Angel of Wrath
- - 1x Azorius Signet
- - 1x Detention Sphere
- - 4x Forest
- - 1x Force of Will
- - 1x Isochron Scepter
- - 1x Land Tax
- - 1x Martial Coup
- - 1x Mirrorweave
- - 1x Mox Diamond
- - 1x Oblivion Ring
- - 4x Plains
- - 1x Polymorphist's Jest
- - 1x Prototype Portal
- - 1x Pyxis of Pandemonium
- - 1x Pestermite
- - 1x Spell Crumple
- - 1x Strionic Resonator
- - 1x Treachery
- - 1x Temple of the False God
- - 1x Thran Dynamo
- - 1x Time Spiral
- - 1x Tinker
- + 1x Arcane Signet
- + 1x Adarkar Wastes
- + 1x Blue Sun's Zenith
- + 1x Barkchannel Pathway Flip
- + 1x Brokers Hideout
- + 1x Consider
- + 1x Deserted Beach
- + 1x Dreamroot Cascade
- + 1x Echoing Truth
- + 1x Evolving Wilds
- + 1x Fading Hope
- + 1x Hengegate Pathway Flip
- + 1x Joint Exploration
- + 1x Mind Stone
- + 1x Overgrown Farmland
- + 1x Preordain
- + 1x Relic of Progenitus
- + 1x Repopulate
- + 1x Stonehorn Dignitary
- + 1x Terramorphic Expanse
- + 1x Temple of Mystery
- + 1x Temple of Enlightenment
- + 1x Wilt
Tyrant-Thanatos on How do you deal, if …
2 months ago
I used to be like this, back when I'd only been playing for a few years. I wanted my deck to be MY deck. I feel like for a lot of players, newer ones especially, deckbuilding is over half the game. It's a form of self-expression. And the options seem nearly limitless. Sometimes it works, especially in more casual groups. I'll never forget the day I Oblivion Ringed my own Barren Glory and followed it up with an Apocalypse. That was the one crowning moment of a weird stupid brew I put together actually winning in a group I almost never won against.
But, times change. It's been 15 years. I've committed to memory nearly every viable card in every non-rotating format and more. Between personal growth and the availability of information in this day, I've had to come to terms with the fact that the options are limited, and anything that can be done has been tried. Even if you come up with the idea yourself, you won't be the first to have tried it. That's just the facts. The entire concept of originality, even outside of MTG, is fallacious in my opinion.
I'm somewhat envious of people who still feel the joy of self-expressive deckbuilding. It's fun. And if you're having fun, you're doing it right.
Made_Compleat on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
2 months ago
Oh no! A functional monowhite commander! EVERYBODY PANIC!
Alright. I get that Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines is a big deal. A decent statline, vigilance, Yarok, the Desecrated as one ability and a much, much, much better version of Hushbringer as the other. She's certainly a powerhouse. But should she see the hammer? I think not.
I'll not say that Machine Mom isn't disruptive. She can shut down a good amount of popular cards in the format, such as Bramble Sovereign, Terror of the Peaks, and the notorious combo piece Palinchron. She can and will double up monowhite Oblivion Ring style effects. Honestly, I think that doubling Seal Away type cards is going to be the stax-ier part of Mama Machine. She doesn't shut down many combo decks (unless they use the aforementioned Palinchron), and really doesn't answer most cEDH decks. She hates out on ETBs, sure, but Yasharn, Implacable Earth hates out on sacrifice, arguably better. Gaddock Teeg is just absurdly good stax, and both Gaddok and Yasharn grant access to Green.
If you want to make Elesh Norn stax, then, ok, that's probably a deck that will give everyone a headache. But... are we going to cry "BAN HER!" for one way of building around Machine Mommy? If you want to run stax, go and buy a Hokori, Dust Drinker or Oloro, Ageless Ascetic. They're much better depriving everyone of fun than New Norn. Elesh Norn can do so much more than just stop everyone from having fun.
Honestly, a lot of the complaints that I see here are against the Stax archetype in general, not Norn. And I get that Norn seems like a good Stax commander, but... If hate stax, than complain about Hokori, or Oloro, or yes, even Archelos, Lagoon Mystic. Stax has its place: cEDH and masochistic playgroups.
Something that no one here is referencing is the Game Knights video in which Josh Lee Kwai played with a (proxied) Elesh Norn, and his deck was oppressive, but nothing too bad. Notably, Norn's restrictive ability saw a lot less use than her double ability, which was used to double small value abilities, as well as oblivion ring effects. The deck won the game, but it was very close and I wouldn't say it made Norn look banable. Not by a long shot.
So, in conclusion, Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines is a powerhouse, who certainly can be a problem, but probably isn't the worst card in EDH. Really, a lot of the complaints about her are complaints about Stax in general.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Also, did anyone else notice the fact that Navani (from Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive) and Elesh Norn have the same epithet? That always makes me crack up.
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