Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.
|Have (3)||Eckat , gildan_bladeborn ,|
|Want (10)||CompleteWaste , Corruptions_Desire , Lightwatch , gingerbreadreaper , Strygwyr , Darui , Jetkb , VioVoid , amitgd , shpadoinkle|
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|Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations (AKHMPS)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3)||Rare|
|Planar Chaos (PLC)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Latest Decks as Commander
2 days ago
Even so, whether it was defined or not, breaks in the color pie have been consistent through Magic's history. Planar Chaos was a set where they intentionally made those. As Harmonize was an intentional green version of Concentrate and Damnation was the version for Wrath of God (at this point a cheaply costed "destroy all creatures" effect hadn't been printed yet, or it had a situational downside)
1 week ago
I'm brand new to magic and I'm told that in the following example, Grim Haruspex still draws you a card:
Can a kind stranger help me understand why this is?
1 week ago
The damage you get from your wheels is nice but being able to dunk your opponents' hands into the graveyard and then draw 28 cards while they get 0 with Notion Thief is a power move. Sure they aren't taking a little bit of damage, but you're establishing such insane card advantage that it doesn't matter anyway. You'll have all the answers to all your problems in your hand, and they'll be topdecking and hoping for good luck. In other words, don't worry about the damage.
As far as Damnation and Black Sun's Zenith go, I'd still recommend Damnation. Perhaps you're concerned about commander games going so long that you'd need to have repeatable wipes to rely on all game, but in reality games can be over within a matter of turns. cEDH games have the potential to end turn 1, albeit a pretty rare occurrence. It may be a singleton format with a bigger deck than you're used to, but that doesn't mean the games always drag on and on to the point where Black Sun would be netting big value all game.
Another strategy you might consider is copy effects. Cards like Dualcaster Mage could generate some big wheels for big value. You could also copy cards like Molten Psyche multiple times for really nasty damage. Assuming a player starts with 6 cards in hand, if you cast Molten Psyche and copy it just once, that alone is 18 damage. 2 copies hits for 32. Copying ordinary wheels while Nekusar is out will also do some serious damage across the board. Just something to consider.
I don't know if you'll want to take out Fate Unraveler. Probably better cards to take out before them. Deck is definitely looking stronger though. Nice job.
1 week ago
Thank you for the suggestions. Having alternate win cons defintitely sounds good to have.
Peoni Thank you for the suggestions. I forgot to ask about Notion Thief I definitely see the synergy with the wheels however I was wondering if I should be concerned about it lower damage potential on the wheels.
Currently I'm thinking of Black Sun's Zenith over Damnation Mostly because its reusable.
I am now wondering if I should also remove Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists, Oppression and double down on more mill mechanics.
Curse of Fool's Wisdom
Quest for the Nihil Stone
Liliana, Waker of the Dead
Drift of Phantasms
2 weeks ago
The subject of this thread revolves around dealing with and counteracting against the commanders: Uril, the Miststalker, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Dragonlord Ojutai, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Thrun, the Last Troll as well as commanders that consistently or typically give themselves hexproof through various equipments/auras.
While it may not be the most prevalent strategy these types of commanders can be annoying to deal with. I'd like to create a discussion on what are the best ways to deal with these commanders. Given how niche these commanders can be, running cards that exclusively dedicate themselves to their removal may be detrimental to draw into when playing a game where none of your opponents run them. Therefore cards that can both combat massive hexproof creatures as well as still being useful to have if none of your opponents are playing with big hexproof creatures should be taken into consideration when deciding what is the "best" or "most practical" solution to combating hexproof strategies.
The first cards that come to mind are Arcane Lighthouse, Detection Tower, Bonds of Mortality, Shadowspear and Glaring Spotlight. These cards entirely dedicate themselves to combating hexproof strategies, and while this may be a detriment when used against non-hexproof strategies, these cards do lend themselves some extra utility. Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower can be seeded into your manabase so at worst they're just a Wastes however they can be more inefficient in comparison. Given that both are lands, tapping them costs you an extra mana resource effectively making their abilities cost to activate. Not only that, but they have no effect at stripping indestructible which can be a common keyboard which may be used alongside most hexproof strategies. Cards like Bonds of Mortality and Shadowspear cost only one to activate and they can bypass indestructible, however given they're not lands you have to dedicate a nonland slot in your deck to accommodate either of them which means taking out a card that may better synergize with your deck's main strategy in their place. They also lend themselves targets for counter spells and given hexproof decks contain white and/or green, artifact/enchantment removal will pose a high potential risk. This is all not to mention you still need to provide a removal spell in tandem with these cards in order to remove the threat.
Another solution is board wipes. Cards such as Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict, Blasphemous Act, etc. Mass creature removal is incredibly strong given that its always relevant in most metas making it a highly flexible solution that isn't too narrow to rely upon. It's biggest drawback however is if the massive hexproof creature that needs to be dealt with has indestructible, totem armor or Gift of Immortality. Even a card such as Toxic Deluge can be a risk as you may have to pay a huge amount of life if the creature is incredibly big. Cyclonic Rift is another effective card. One thing to note about boardwipes are they affect the whole table which makes them also more likelier to be countered than by effects that impact a single individual.
A more narrow solution would be through damage prevention effects such as Story Circle, Forcefield, Runed Halo, Rune of Protection: White, etc. Given each card never "targets" they can be used to infinitely "Fog" a problem creature that you can't put up with. These effects are more narrow than boardwipes but broader than hexproof removal. Cards like these still run into problems with artifact/enchantment removal and they don't run enticing side effects such as drawing a card upon entering the battlefield like Bonds of Mortality or giving a creature lifelink and trample like Shadowspear, however you won't need to exhaust your removal spells to keep the large creature(s) either. In more broader metas such as combo, stax and prison, these effects may not be as useful however. More broader variants of these protection cards exist as Ensnaring Bridge, Divine Presence, Peacekeeper and Meekstone though these cards may make multiple opponents unhappy enough to remove them than the more narrower options.
The last effect used to combat large hexproof creatures is sacrifice effects such as: Fleshbag Marauder, Innocent Blood, Vona's Hunger, Liliana's Triumph, Doomfall etc. These effects can bypass not only hexproof but also indestructible, regenerate and totem armor. Their drawback lies in if the player with the large hexproof creature has any other creatures to sacrifice in their place. Because of this caveat this effect isn't too strong unless ran in multiples which can be difficult to commit to in a 100-card format. Instead selective sacrifice effects may be the best way to devote to this solution with cards like: Crackling Doom, Soul Shatter, Slaughter the Strong, Council's Judgment, Renounce the Guilds and Wing Shards. While these cards won't always guarantee the large hexproof creature will be removed, they provide a stronger case than not compared to most traditional sacrifice removal.
Lastly there are counter spells to remove hexproof creatures. While they may be the best all purpose solution they can be rendered ineffective if a Cavern of Souls or some other can not be countered effect is in place. With exception to Withering Boon, the biggest downside to counter spells are they are entirely exclusive to blue meaning other color combinations without blue do not have this option available.
Which method do you rely on to stop massive hexproof creatures? Is there a card or solution set not listed here that you use? If you happen to play EDH decks with big massive hexproof creatures, which effects annoy/counter you the most?
2 weeks ago
griffstick thanks! I actually only built it because of your post asking for help. Essentially, to make the best of the commanders ability the pings are the way to go Hellrider and Goblin Chainwhirler are good on their own but with the commander out they're basically asymmetrical Damnations. The rest of the deck is good stuff and what I deemed to be the best warriors/clerics/wizards/warriors. Granted, theres not an even distribution but quality over quantity :) theres probably an argument to include Balefire Dragon too; would be gross if it had haste.
2 weeks ago
Vito wasn't the first card to go infinite with Exquisite Blood. ;^) Consider adding in Sanguine Bond for yet another piece of a very dirty wincon. I, too, would also recommend some board wipes and some additional ramp. Damnation, Wrath of God, and Toxic Deluge are all good wipe options. Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Arcane Signet, and Fellwar Stone should serve as nice ramp pieces. Nice deck! Hope this helps. :^)
3 weeks ago
Cool idea playing cleric tribal!
First off: It's probably best not to be playing a bunch of 1 ofs or 2 ofs. If a card is good play 4 of it and the deck consistency will improve significantly.