Uril, the Miststalker
Legendary Creature — Beast
Hexproof (This creature can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control)
Uril gets +2/+2 for each Aura attached to it.
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Uril, the Miststalker Discussion
3 months ago
Uril, the Miststalker was a premier commander back when he was released in 2009, but the power creep in commander over the past 12 years has been a lot.
That said, I respect anyone who is playing a commander which is inherently disadvantaged, especially if they manage to put on a good show anyway.
3 months ago
Good stuff and thanks to all the good feedback. I am building an Uril, the Miststalker commander deck. This is just swing with big commander damage and swing often.
, I agree, the politic side of it is fun.
3 months ago
I mean, if we are just talking about Uril, the Miststalker, he has his own baked in problems.
Having hexproof to start is great but auras in general are terrible. One Wrath of God and you're down a ton of cards and now you have to cast a 7 cost creature without haste. You might as well make the argument that you shouldn't have a voltron commander without built in indestructible.
I think, you are better off with whatever voltron commander fits your playgroup/playstyle. You don't need hexproof to start, but yes it would be helpful. There are plenty of commanders such as Feather, the Redeemed, Skullbriar, the Walking Grave and Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh that are plenty powerful without the built-in hexproof due to either there cheap cost, powerful abilities, built-in card advantage, keyword soup, et cetera.
3 months ago
a voltron commander should have hexproof anyway. so the best voltron commander would be Uril, the Miststalker. i can't imagine trying to run voltron without a hexproof commander.
5 months ago
I am a fan. +1 from me. I run a budget Uril, the Miststalker deck. I like your build and will be adding some changes to mine after seeing this.
6 months ago
Thanks for your comment, but the list is for multiplayer commanders, not 1vs1 Duel Commander.
The way you portray it, you seem to be playing him as a Voltron Commander, but Zilortha, Strength Incarnate unfortunately has 0 value, 0 protection and 0 evasion printed on itself and is in principle "only" a 5 mana 7/3 with trample and with a small upside if you build your deck around ...
I would spontaneously think of 5+ stronger Voltron commanders (Sigarda, Host of Herons, Geist of Saint Traft, Uril, the Miststalker, Rafiq of the Many...), who are better suited for the voltron plan than Zilo. I have no doubt that he is quick to box players out, but even 7 games say very little. It also depends on what and who you have played against and whether it is 1vs1 games or multiplayer games. Voltron is a valid strategy in 1vs1 matches (frenchban / duel commander), but voltron decks have the problem that they often run out of gas. You can easily kill 1-2 opponents and are then often stopped because you are extremely susceptible to removal, counterspells, bounce effects, mass ench/artifact removal, boardwipes, sac effects, deathtouch and cards like Moat, Peacekeeper & Maze of Ith (which is why Volotron commander should preferably have either Hexproof or Indestructible). But you can convince me of the opposite by sending me your deck list, although as I said, I can't think of anything relevant that Zilo does better than the commanders mentioned above.
7 months ago
In conjunction with Sun Titan
Against Uril, the Miststalker
Anyway, fogs are the best defense against Voltron decks, there's no cure for lethal commander damage. You should play them only if your meta allows it. It's true that a fog won't win you the game, but neither will a counterspell. Their function is not (just) to "not lose", they are best used to prevent someone else from winning with combat. Fogging someone's Craterhoof Behemoth turn will make you the hero of the table, and because most people think lowly of those effects, nobody will expect or play around them.
Use them sparingly, along with the element of surprise, if your friends like to win with creatures, for the best results.
Make them scared to swing out if you have a green mana up ;)
8 months ago
The subject of this thread revolves around dealing with and counteracting against the commanders: Uril, the Miststalker, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Dragonlord Ojutai, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Thrun, the Last Troll as well as commanders that consistently or typically give themselves hexproof through various equipments/auras.
While it may not be the most prevalent strategy these types of commanders can be annoying to deal with. I'd like to create a discussion on what are the best ways to deal with these commanders. Given how niche these commanders can be, running cards that exclusively dedicate themselves to their removal may be detrimental to draw into when playing a game where none of your opponents run them. Therefore cards that can both combat massive hexproof creatures as well as still being useful to have if none of your opponents are playing with big hexproof creatures should be taken into consideration when deciding what is the "best" or "most practical" solution to combating hexproof strategies.
The first cards that come to mind are Arcane Lighthouse, Detection Tower, Bonds of Mortality, Shadowspear and Glaring Spotlight. These cards entirely dedicate themselves to combating hexproof strategies, and while this may be a detriment when used against non-hexproof strategies, these cards do lend themselves some extra utility. Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower can be seeded into your manabase so at worst they're just a Wastes however they can be more inefficient in comparison. Given that both are lands, tapping them costs you an extra mana resource effectively making their abilities cost to activate. Not only that, but they have no effect at stripping indestructible which can be a common keyboard which may be used alongside most hexproof strategies. Cards like Bonds of Mortality and Shadowspear cost only one to activate and they can bypass indestructible, however given they're not lands you have to dedicate a nonland slot in your deck to accommodate either of them which means taking out a card that may better synergize with your deck's main strategy in their place. They also lend themselves targets for counter spells and given hexproof decks contain white and/or green, artifact/enchantment removal will pose a high potential risk. This is all not to mention you still need to provide a removal spell in tandem with these cards in order to remove the threat.
Another solution is board wipes. Cards such as Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict, Blasphemous Act, etc. Mass creature removal is incredibly strong given that its always relevant in most metas making it a highly flexible solution that isn't too narrow to rely upon. It's biggest drawback however is if the massive hexproof creature that needs to be dealt with has indestructible, totem armor or Gift of Immortality. Even a card such as Toxic Deluge can be a risk as you may have to pay a huge amount of life if the creature is incredibly big. Cyclonic Rift is another effective card. One thing to note about boardwipes are they affect the whole table which makes them also more likelier to be countered than by effects that impact a single individual.
A more narrow solution would be through damage prevention effects such as Story Circle, Forcefield, Runed Halo, Rune of Protection: White, etc. Given each card never "targets" they can be used to infinitely "Fog" a problem creature that you can't put up with. These effects are more narrow than boardwipes but broader than hexproof removal. Cards like these still run into problems with artifact/enchantment removal and they don't run enticing side effects such as drawing a card upon entering the battlefield like Bonds of Mortality or giving a creature lifelink and trample like Shadowspear, however you won't need to exhaust your removal spells to keep the large creature(s) either. In more broader metas such as combo, stax and prison, these effects may not be as useful however. More broader variants of these protection cards exist as Ensnaring Bridge, Divine Presence, Peacekeeper and Meekstone though these cards may make multiple opponents unhappy enough to remove them than the more narrower options.
The last effect used to combat large hexproof creatures is sacrifice effects such as: Fleshbag Marauder, Innocent Blood, Vona's Hunger, Liliana's Triumph, Doomfall etc. These effects can bypass not only hexproof but also indestructible, regenerate and totem armor. Their drawback lies in if the player with the large hexproof creature has any other creatures to sacrifice in their place. Because of this caveat this effect isn't too strong unless ran in multiples which can be difficult to commit to in a 100-card format. Instead selective sacrifice effects may be the best way to devote to this solution with cards like: Crackling Doom, Soul Shatter, Slaughter the Strong, Council's Judgment, Renounce the Guilds and Wing Shards. While these cards won't always guarantee the large hexproof creature will be removed, they provide a stronger case than not compared to most traditional sacrifice removal.
Lastly there are counter spells to remove hexproof creatures. While they may be the best all purpose solution they can be rendered ineffective if a Cavern of Souls or some other can not be countered effect is in place. With exception to Withering Boon, the biggest downside to counter spells are they are entirely exclusive to blue meaning other color combinations without blue do not have this option available.
Which method do you rely on to stop massive hexproof creatures? Is there a card or solution set not listed here that you use? If you happen to play EDH decks with big massive hexproof creatures, which effects annoy/counter you the most?