Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Creatures and nonbasic lands your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
|Have (2)||metalmagic ,|
|Want (3)||EIV , frostyfirey , lordswordfish|
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|Eldritch Moon (EMN)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Thalia, Heretic Cathar Discussion
2 days ago
Hey hey dawg!
There are just so many ways you could go about this! I have no idea if I'm doing the right thing here but here are a few ideas
Return of the Wildspeaker --> out -- I just dont think this card is very good in general. You dont have a ton of big creatures and +3/+3 isn't that exciting. Would rather play Harmonize which is unconditional.
Austere Command --> maybeboard -- This could be wrong, but I was looking for cards to cut and felt like an expensive wrath wasn't exactly where your deck wanted to be.
Keeper of Fables --> maybeboard -- I mean I get it that you can potentially draw up to 3 cards a turn, but its just so meh.
Greater Auramancy --> Maybeboard -- I was considering this cuz I think there's potential for a strong enchantments theme. Opted for Sterling Grove instead because it also tutors but this is here just as a consideration.
Archon of Absolution --> maybeboard -- Its on theme but I don't think its taxing enough right? maybe I'm crazy and this is exactly what you want cuz you can trigger goad with your commander?? but its 4 mana as well idk I just took it out cuz its floor is very low.
Kinjalli's Sunwing --> out -- Not sure why this card was in here to begin with, I mean you aren't granting mass haste or anything and the whole idea is you're goading people so few people are gonna have blockers, plus plenty of your is evasive. I think Thalia, Heretic Cathar feels this role very well already.
Urabrask the Hidden --> maybeboard -- This card is sweet but its 5 mana.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion --> maybeboard -- Elspeth feels a little out of place.
Beast Whisperer --> maybeboard -- Not into this as a reliable form of card draw.
Soltari Champion --> out -- I get the idea, you're trying to trigger goad, but isn't this card just bad? a 3 mana unblockable with battlecry doesn't seem particularly playable.
Gruul War Chant --> out -- This card is just way too low impact for 4 mana.
Sunblast Angel --> Maybeboard -- I get the idea cuz everyone is attacking and tapped but meh.
Dryad Sophisticate --> out -- I don't think unblockable 2/1 are good enough even if they do trigger marisi. I like the idea of playing evasive hatebears or something. Maybe I'm just way off base with this deck haha
The Great Henge --> maybeboard -- this card is sweet and super pwoerful but you got a bunch of dorky 2/2s and stuff this thing is gonna routinely cost you like 7 mana and at that point wouldn't you just play Zendikar Resurgent? (I didn't put zendikar resurgent in though but if you want an effect like henge, I think I'd go with resurgent)
Druids' Repository --> main -- Idk! this seems cool and fun!! All your creatures become mana dorks cuz they'll be attacking anyway! Seems p good! Also if you make a bunch of 1/1 tokens with Tempt with Vengeance and Sylvan Offering you make a bunch of mana when they attack!
Skullclamp --> main -- I think because stuff like Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor plus having a bunch of stuff that might end up dying this'll draw you a lot of cards. Plus if you play Tempt with Vengeance and Sylvan Offering its bonkers!!
Insurrection --> main -- Its a sweet win condition!!
Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor --> main -- in my view this exactly what you want to be doing!
ok wow this comment is getting long so I'm just gonna list the rest of the cards that I think should go in/out:
War's Toll -- in
Sterling Grove -- in
Sphere of Safety - in
Sylvan Offering - in
Enlightened Tutor - in
Harmonize - in
Goblin Spymaster - in
Tahngarth, First Mate - in (this one just seems fun :D totally get it if you decide not to)
Tempt with Vengeance - in
Teferi's Protection - in
Rishkar's Expertise - out
Grand Melee - maybe, for now I decided to just play war's toll but maybe neither are good enough
Whew!! Can't wait to play against this in any shape or form! Hope at least some of these suggestions help!
2 weeks ago
Hey thanks for sharing the list! I have been starting to think about doing my own version of a hatebear deck and even tested with Aurelia once, but I am still kind of caught between Gerrard, Aurelia, and Akiri Bruse for the really high powered deck that I want to build. Anyway, I have so many questions about which cards are performing and which ones aren't.
So the general question on all of these is how have they been performing? The first 2 I am very excited about and started testing just a few days ago Thalia, Heretic Cathar and Hushbringer. Thalia seems like it should put opponents in slow motion, and I am pretty sure hush bringer is the answer to just about every deck that I lose to.
Next up: How have Aven Mindcensor, Wayfarers bauble, captain lannery storm, combat celebrant, and swift blade vindicator performed? Mind censor always feels like its a turn too slow for me but is reasonable. Lanery storm was underwhelming when I tried it, but that was a few years ago and probably needs a revisit. Combat celebrant has generally had survival problems for me because of the 1 toughness. How is wayfarers been on turn 1 vs on turn 7?
So yeah overall id like to get your thoughts on the deck. Like I said I think Thalia and Hushbringer are going to do some real work as I adopt them more.
2 weeks ago
Gonna test out a 2x of Aven Mindcensor in the MB to see how that goes. Now that I have recurring Ghost Quarter back in it seems like a really solid choice, and an easy card to SB out which is great for me since I often feel sideboard decision paralysis Game 2.
3 weeks ago
Thanks for another comment on this deck. I will try and remember to post on your Pioneer Angels deck, just as a token of my appreciation for how much you've helped me with this deck. I also see that you have a Rienne deck (although mine has more multicoloured synergies), great minds think alike ;).
For your card draw suggestions, I think that Keeper of Fables or Colossal Majesty are my best options because Keeper of Fables can draw me lots of cards when I'm in a good situation, and Colossal Majesty can help me when I'm in a worse position, perhaps leaving my guys back to block.
I didn't like Bishop of Wings in my old deck because I felt that he was either a win-more card or did nothing. I am going to try out Gisela, the Broken Blade, but my only concern is Wizard's Lightning, as most of the aggro decks at my LGS have a lot of Wizards, so I'll have to try and figure out how to deal with that. Bruna is definitely in the conversation, but my curve is probably a little bit too high already, so I'll have to figure that out.
I really like Heroic Intervention and Unbreakable Formation, so I'll have to test both. I'm not a big fan of Selfless Spirit because people can just kill it and I'd rather be playing big Angels anyway.
I like Shalai, Voice of Plenty due to her hexproof giving ability (as it stops burn spells and kills spells) and mana sink ability (in case I have nothing to do). You're probably right about Thalia, Heretic Cathar, so I'll take out a Thalia and some other things for some Gisela.
I think that the Heliod, Sun-Crowned investment is worth it, he'll probably add so much to the deck, so I'll cut Nylea for him.
Also, now that I think about it, what are your thoughts on Stasis Snare versus Banishing Light? I think I agree with you now about taking out Cast Out I've rarely flashed it in and only cycled it a few times.
Finally, what are your thoughts on the changes that I've listed below?
Thanks again, your suggestions have really helped both of my Pioneer decks,
3 weeks ago
A few mores comments :)
You're very weak to sweepers which is particularly bad after THB gave us Shatter the Sky, so I'd make sure to run some indestructible-granters at least in the side, I like Selfless Spirit as it can also beat down, but Heroic Intervention is an even broader answer and Unbreakable Formation can be used as a powerful anthem on the offence.
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar seems like too many. She's powerful, but 1) she's your only beater on the ground and thus comparatively easily blocked, and 2) Legendary so there's a real risk of having a dead copy in hand. Same thing with Shalai, I'd run at least one copy of Gisela or Archangel of Tithes.
I don't like Rhonas the Indomitable or Verdurous Gearhulk. You don't need more power on the ground, there's a real risk of Rhonas not being able to attack, and Gearhulk takes up a 5-drop slot which is where all of your most powerful angels are.
I get Heliod, Sun-Crowned being too expensive, but to my mind, he's the only good god-option for this deck.
I would really want to get some more lifegain in the deck to support the Resplendent Angels, pumping out 4/4's like there's no tomorrow is a great feeling ;)
1 month ago
Go fer Omnath, Locus of Rage ! ! ! (Assuming you want to focus on lands)
Karametra, God of Harvests is cool tho. The wife ran her for a minute when we first got into EDH with friends. I'd say she's more of a support commander that helps you dig for lands as you play creatures from the 99
If casting creatures get you lands... then play creatures that toolbox! Lotus Cobra , Beast Whisperer , Reclamation Sage , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , etc. Duplicant is one of my pet cards. Temur Sabertooth for the winmore
1 month ago
0-3 na Versus dia 7/1/20:
0-1 Izzet Delver (0-2): Delver é um match difícil. Dessa vez fui com Shifting Ceratops no deck e mesmo parecendo melhor contra Delver, não adiantou. Tomei um pau de Dreadhorde Arcanist , que é mais forte do que eu imaginei: junto com um Raio ele dá 6 de dano pré-block, tira qualquer criatura do campo. É um match em que 10 criaturas do oponente são terríveis.
No segundo jogo desci um Temple Garden virado e tomei um Daze por causa disso. Mereci. Comprei 3 Chokes seguidos porque não embaralhei eles direito no deck.
0-2 Izzet Delver (1-2): Fui confiante para a segunda partida, porque achei que estava pronto para esse matchup. Primeiro jogo comprei todos os hates, ganhei sem problemas. No segundo jogo apanhei de um TNN antes de comprar um Council's Judgemente. Jogo 3 perdi para um Delver sem poder usar um Path que tinha na mão porque tinha Prelate para 1 no campo. Joguei um pouco melhor, mas perdi do mesmo jeito.
0-3 D&t (0-2): Primeira vez que joguei contra o Xu. Ele é melhor que eu com o deck, mas o match é favorável para mim, com cartas mais fortes para o late game. Na primeira partida larguei uma mão com 6 cartas boa, mas sem básicas, fiquei com medo de sair da partida logo. Minha mão com 5 tinha Stoneforge e dois equipamentos, mandei os artefatos para o fundo e achei que tinha chance contra ele, com 4 cartas na mão. Ele equipou a Thalia com Jitte mais rápido que eu e o jogo saiu de mão rapidinho.
Jogo dois chegamos a uma situação de empate, eu com um KotR na mesa, e ele com um Revoker travando meu cavaleiro. Ele conseguiu melhores cartas com Recruiter e Flickerwhisp, eu só comprei terrenos, fim de jogo.
Conversei com o Heitor depois do jogo e disse que tem usado dois Sanctum Prelate , e parece uma boa contra decks azuis, no geral. Vi a lista dele e percebi que ele joga sem Ramunap Excavator e sem Tireless Tracker , que são cartas que não tem aparecido mesmo nas listas. Com tantas básicas, Ramunap parece ruim, e Tracker é ok. As duas cartas geram valor com o tempo, mas não são tão efetivas como um hatebear. Vou tirar Ramunap, Tracker talvez.
Ceratops pareceu bom, vou continuar com ele, e a Thalia, Heretic Cathar não pareceu muita coisa, mas vou testar mais um pouco.
1 month ago
I’ve been playing your build for about a year now and I have made some changes to update the list and make it more adaptable to various meta’s. The added cards include the following: Collector Ouphe ; Faeburrow Elder ; Arcane Signet ; Thalia, Heretic Cathar ; Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite ; Static Orb ; Jace, the Mind Sculptor ; Oko, Thief of Crowns ; and Opposition . Your build is very adaptable and interesting. Thanks. -0rc