White creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token with vigilance.
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Oketra's Monument Discussion
1 week ago
I always loved Trelissara's design. Sadly, my lifegain deck is Esper, so she didn't really fit! I don't know if this helps at all, but I think of my deck in terms of lifegain enablers (our Soul Warden and friends that gain us life) and payoffs (things that benefit us when we gain life, like Trudge Garden).
I would pay special attention to one thing with life gain payoffs: a lot of the cards care about one of 2 things...either 'instance of life gain' (the ones worded 'whenever'...they do not care how much life you gain, just if you do or not), and the ones that care about quantity (the ones worded 'if you gained X or more life).
You're going to want to sculpt your life gain enablers in the deck around what of those you have, and how much life gain they want you to have in a turn, to make sure they can hit your X.
I would consider that a little more next time you play, pay attention to what cards want what effects.
For example, my deck is built entirely around the 'instance of life gain effects', so I seldom need to worry about how much I gain.
That said, some weak spots I noticed: Benevolent Bodyguard, Ilysian Caryatid, Soulmender, From Beyond, Indomitable Might, Hedgewitch's Mask. These are excellent places to start with upgrades! They're not bad on their own, but we can do better!
Note on Aetherflux Reservoir: There are some playgroups that playing this will just get you ganged up on. I always caution people about that. If that's fine with you, it's a strong card. I didn't find it could gain enough life to make it worth it in my deck.
Some possible (not too expensive) upgrades that I enjoy:
Good in an 'instance of life gain' deck: Linden, the Steadfast Queen, Sunscorch Regent, Suture Priest, Gideon's Company, Twinblade Paladin, Omen of the Sun, Ajani's Pridemate, Oketra's Monument, Regna, the Redeemer
1 week ago
I enjoy building big ole stupid Timmy decks but every once in a while I love to reign them in and home them into perfection. Cut through the swath of Timmy trap cards and build true synergy where each piece is not only deadly on its own, but their compounded effect together is so brutal and savage that opponents drop one after another in rapid succession.
It's a thing of beauty.
Like when you play Karametra, God of Harvests and you bring out Emancipation Angel for because she costs less with Cloud Key, so you tutor a land and you do this multiple times per turn, churning put multiple tokens from landfall triggers with Rampaging Baloths and Scute Swarm with Anointed Procession in play and making giant tokens with Avenger of Zendikar or drawing a ton of cards with Garruk's Uprising.
As much as I love big dumb decks, a well oiled machine is more of my specialty. I love to solve puzzles, and if I look at the game like a puzzle, it is infinitely more fun for me. Even if (when) I lose, I had so much fun tutoring out literally every single land in my entire deck that I just do not care.
I derive entertainment value and fun from achieving goals, and not necessarily winning :)
3 weeks ago
how much do you want them to actually hate you? like do you want to be able to play the deck again? because in terms of hate, i am seeing zero copies of Armageddon.
also as a note you seem to have a number of etbs along side your Hushbringer effects. might want to be careful with those.
If you want a fun interaction with Oketra you can always include Whitemane Lion and have it return itself. you now have a repeatable "1W: create 4/4 with vigilance". With Oketra's Monument or Pearl Medallion it gets even more efficient.
2 months ago
I used to run a Karametra, God of Harvests combo deck ages ago when Paradox Engine was legal. I updated it last summer, but it's still kind of mediocre and I would definitely redo it again if I had any interest in the deck. Regardless, if you're interested - my decklist is here:
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Cards like Whitemane Lion, Kor Skyfisher, and Emancipation Angel are absolutely phenomenal in Karametra. They bounce themselves, allowing you to play them again and get more lands. With Aluren out, you can get every single Forest/Plains out of your deck in a single turn.
Cards like Wall of Blossoms and Wall of Omens are great with Aluren + Cloudstone Curio because you could essentially draw your entire deck in one go. Albeit you'd need to be careful and specify how far you should go with this otherwise you'd deck yourself, but that's beyond the point - still a powerful draw effect.
With Aluren, Cards like Sandsteppe Outcast and Hanged Executioner are awesome for getting an arbitrarily large number of tokens, as the token on the ETB effect can bounce the creature that generated it with Cloudstone Curio. This can pay out in several different ways - mainly infinite mana with Ashnod's Altar and/or Phyrexian Altar through sacing the token, and infinite damage/winning the game on the spot with Blasting Station and sacing the token. You could also create infinite tokens with Oketra's Monument and any of the self-bounce creatures if you just have Aluren out.
Personally, if you wanted to play a straight-up ETB combo deck, I think Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is a better general due to having far easier access to using Aetherflux Reservoir, (generate a ton of life with Aluren + Whitemane Lion, shoot people with the Death Star). Karametra, God of Harvests is nice for land filtering, but you only run so many lands in the deck she becomes kind of useless later on in the game - hence why I've kind of lost interest in her. In addition, what TypicalTimmy said is very true - if you rush out to an early lead in lands with her, you often become a target. IF you wanted to build Karametra, God of Harvests still, I would highly recommend going combo and including a myriad of methods to win - such as combat damage, Walking Ballista combos, and Blasting Station combos.
2 months ago
I had built my Karametra, God of Harvests with two main facets: The Landfall mechanic, and very massive creatures to put those lands to good use.
One clever trick you can do is loop Jeskai Barricade and Stonecloaker back and forth, bouncing each other. If you have an appropriate means of cost reduction, it becomes very efficient. For example, Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key would reduce their individual costs to a mere .
Each time one of these ETB, you bounce the other and tutor a Plains. If you have a means to have that Plains ETB untapped, or able to untap it, you can filter all of them from your library that turn. One method is Stone-Seeder Hierophant. Another is Amulet of Vigor.
These, in effect, allow you to cast Jeskai Barricade for just . Upon cast, you tutor a Plains. It ETB tapped and you either untap it with Amulet of Vigor or with Stone-Seeder Hierophant. From here, Jeskai Barricade ETB and you bounce Stonecloaker. Now, that Plains you just had ETB and got to untap can be tapped to add , allowing you to cast the Stonecloaker from your hand thanks to the cost reduction of Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key. From here, you tutor another Plains and repeat the whole process over again.
If you want lands that have , you can do this one of two ways:
- Use lands that have both subtypes, such as Arctic Treeline, Canopy Vista, Savannah, Scattered Groves or Temple Garden.
- You can also use mana filtering, such as Chromatic Lantern or Chromatic Orrery. There's also Joiner Adept, Mystic Monstrosity Flip and a few others. There's Overlaid Terrain if you can get it out quick enough with artifact sources, as to not damage your land base.
Filtering into will assist you in getting green mana, but it won't allow you to tutor Forests.
However, what this will do is you can tutor Forest, and use the Forest to pay for to continue the combo mentioned above. If you do this, you can tutor every single land in your entire library in one single turn.
Unfortunately, Selesnya doesn't exactly have a means to give global haste. You'd want to rely on something such as Akroma's Memorial or something else. It gets pretty tricky and difficult and you're better off to try and secure the win via alt-wincon.
But, this whole setup is extremely flimsy. Just one piece being removed blows the entire combo up. Your table may not see what's going on the first one or two times, but they will catch on and the moment Jeskai Barricade drops for the first time, it'll be hit with a furious wave of removal. Once this happens, your entire deck is dead in the water.
That's why I no longer play Karametra. She definitely is a Timmy deck because she absolutely wants tons and tons of creatures slamming the field as quickly as possible... but she becomes super flimsy. Imagine getting 9 or 10 lands out by Turn 6 or 7. You drop something massive like a Desolation Twin and it gets hit with the first wave of removal. What happens is you become the biggest threat at the table, even when you have literally nothing. The reason this mentality sinks in is because your Commander has Indestructible, so most players are unequipped to handle her. Since her removal isn't an option, they hit your boardstate, instead.
You become a magnet for removal and hate, and you spend the rest of the game "catching up" and "doing nothing".
In my personal experience, she isn't fun to play because of this very reason. But... if you'd want to build her, that's how I did.
- Landfall + that combo
Still, you need cost reduction + filtering + land untapping... it's still a cumbersome problem and, like I said, one piece of removal blows the entire combo apart.
3 months ago
@ drbishop05 Thanks for checking out my list. I really like Teshar. There are two decks I own that I don't see myself taking apart. This is one of them.
I agree with you on Oketra's Monument and Perilous Myr. They are fine cards but not worth running in cEDH Teshar. However I've had good luck running Semblance Anvil in cEDH Teshar. Most of the deck is artifacts or creatures so if I cast Semblance Anvil and pitch an artifact creature most of the spells in the deck cost less to cast.
3 months ago
I love Teshar. I built a cEDH deck around him when he was first out. I also built a budget $50 deck of him that still clapped people. Some cards I liked in it, but don't exactly fit cEDH were Semblance Anvil, Oketra's Monument and Perilous Myr