Meekstone

Meekstone

Artifact

Creatures with power 3 or greater don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.

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Format Legality
Leviathan Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Limited Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Oldschool 93/94 Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Legacy Legal

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Meekstone Discussion

HobbyGamer007 on Nobody has the intention of building a Wall

1 month ago

Wall of Stolen Identity doesn't seem good enough. It's too expensive at 4, and it plays badly around Meekstone, Fell the Mighty and Wave of Reckoning.

If a clone effect is needed I'd consider Phantasmal Image or just steal it with Gilded Drake instead. Neither give you a draw with the commander, but they cost half as much and have just as/more powerful effects.

BrandonH45 on

2 months ago

How to Play:

Early game (Turns 1-4):

  1. Ramp: Try to have a hand of 2-3 lands/ramping cards. Opening hand should have a cheap ramp to bring out Purphoros, God of the Forge by turn 2-4.

  2. Set up field: If you have a control or ramp card, put it out. You want to protect your Commander and set up for a fight. Try not to bring out any token ramp cards until Purphoros, God of the Forge is out, pretty simple.

  3. Bring out Purphoros, God of the Forge. Watch your devotion stay below 5 and especially your opponent is playing , and has untapped mana!

Mid-Game (5-12):

  1. Create all the tokens!

  2. You should be winning and only need Purphoros, God of the Forge ability to set off 20 times (in a 40 life game). You need to be aggressive, because in multiplayer games, you will be the target. Purphoros, God of the Forge is not a great diplomat.

Late Game (+13):

  1. Purphoros, God of the Forge probably died once or something. Just keep building up your control, draw, Purphoros, God of the Forge comes out again, and continue to create more tokens.

  2. Infinite Combos with cards like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.

  3. Very powerful attacks with Chandra's Spitfire (especially if it's a multiplayer game) with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Hellrider ETB triggers

Control/Drawing:

-Ensnaring Bridge: severely limits creature attacks since keeping a decent sized hand can be difficult with the low mana cost of the deck

-Glacial Chasm: In the event that something go's awry, you can use Glacial Chasm for a couple rounds to prevent damage to you while setting up your board so you can sacrifice it.

-Chaos Warp

-Wheel of Fortune: Wheels and other cards similar help both you in getting the cards you need, as well as controlling the opponents because they have to cycle their hand as well, potentially taking away their vital plays.

-Reforge the Soul

-Valakut Awakening  Flip

-Magus of the Wheel

-Defense Grid: Making your opponent pay more mana in order to play out of turn.

-Price of Glory: Makes your opponent destroy whatever lands they used out of turn.

-Meekstone: Inhibits larger creatures from attacking.

-Vandalblast

-Grafdigger's Cage: prevents players that depend on playing from their graveyard/library.

Destruction:

None of the boardwipe cards will affect Purphoros even as a creature since he's indestructable

-Nevinyrral's Disk

-Goblin Sharpshooter+Basilisk Collar

-Jokulhaups (try to get Norin the Wary out with Purphoros, God of the Forge before playing)

-Price of Glory mitigates people playing out of turn by costing them land sources that they tapped.

-Starstorm

-Vandalblast

Extra Synergy:

Adding these, in addition to your Purphoros, God of the Forge trigger will make him much more potent. You definitely will not be a diplomat at the table and will be targeted with extreme prejudice!

-Impact Tremors: Basically does the same thing as Purphoros, God of the Forge, except for 1 damage instead of 2. Can be added to Purphoros, God of the Forge trigger for additional damage. It's also a good substitute in the event that you can't cast Purphoros, God of the Forge for whatever reason

-Panharmonicon: Makes your ETB triggers activate a 2nd time

-Fiery Emancipation: makes sources you control deal triple their normal damage. Purphoros, God of the Forge would deal 6 damage per creature before adding anything like Impact Tremors or Panharmonicon. If Purphoros, God of the Forge is actually a creature, he's swinging for coup de grâce and dealing all 21 commander damage to the opponent if you use his ability 1 time.

-Chandra's Spitfire: Every time Purphoros, God of the Forge or Hellrider would deal damage to an opponent, this creature gets an additional +3/0. If you're playing a 4 player game, 1 trigger from Purphoros, God of the Forge gives Chandra's Spitfire a +9/0. Couple that with Hellrider and it gets really bad, really quick!

Infinite Combo / Win Conditions:

-Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker+Zealous Conscripts: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker makes a copy of the Zealous Conscripts which untaps Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to make another copy of Zealous Conscripts...

-Zealous Conscripts+Twinflame: Tap Conscripts to make a copy of itself and tap the next Conscript and make a copy and Tap that one...

-Dualcaster Mage+Heat Shimmer / Twinflame: Heat Shimmer or Twinflame targets a creature. While on stack, use Dualcaster Mage to target Heat Shimmer. In turn the Dualcaster Mage will make a copy of Heat Shimmer which targets and makes a copy of Dualcaster Mage...

-Basilisk Collar+Goblin Sharpshooter: Goblin Sharpshooter targets a creature with his ability once Basilisk Collaris equipped, killing the targeted creature, which untaps Goblin Sharpshooter. Repeat until enemy board is cleared.

-Ashnod's Altar+Nim Deathmantle+ETB creature with at least one token: infinite ETB triggers, and if the ETB creature produces more than one, you also have infinite mana!

-Extraplanar Lens+Mountain: Use Snow-Covered Mountain or Mountain in your deck and get it "Imprinted" by the Lens. Snow-Covered Mountain are preferred because they aren't played as much as the basic Mountain, doing so means that only you (theoretically) can benefit for twice the amount of land on turn 3. It's sort of fragile, because having your Lens blown up on you (and it will be a big target) means being behind the curve.

-Basalt Monolith+Rings of Brighthearth: Tap Basalt Monolith to add 3 to your mana pool. Untap it using its own activate ability. Copy the ability using the Rings of Brighthearth trigger. You will start to make 6 using 5 (3 to untap and 2 to copy). Keep doing it for infinite mana.

ShaelienCorphus on Pinger Thantis

2 months ago

carpecanum thanks for the reply. I was looking at Stuffy Doll, and didn't know about Ragged Veins & Treacherous Link. I would be interested in adding a few fight cards to the deck with the editions of those cards. I really do enjoy Wojek Embermage as an edition.

Meekstone & Neko-Te are good adds, though Grismold, the Dreadsower may not like it, however that is just one card. This would definitely help in making it more of a control deck.

I feel like Scythe of the Wretched might take a little too much setup. Interestingly enough, though you are giving creatures to your opponents, they target you really fast.

P.S. thank you for your review and reply.

carpecanum on Pinger Thantis

2 months ago

Ragged Veins and Stuffy Doll might fit here. Maybe Treacherous Link

Wojek Embermage and Frostwielder

All your pingers and anything with Vigilance laugh at Meekstone. Neko-Te is hilarious on a pinger and better for taking out commanders that would otherwise be recast. Scythe of the Wretched with a pinget/deathtouch is fun.

v3n0m29 on Pramikon stax

3 months ago

I would cut Academy Rector,Arena Rector,Magus of the Tabernacle, Mycosynth Lattice,Karmic Justice, Propaganda, Price of Glory,Ghostly Prison,Solemnity, Sun Titan, Sphinx's Revelation, and Meekstone. I saw on reddit you were looking for a highly tuned deck and the above cards really only have place in a casual environment.

Stax decks often run into the issue of just adding stax and hoping to win, but that just leads to long drawn out games with no interaction. First thing you need to do is come up with win cons. How are you winning? I see iso rev, but the only payoff is Urza. I see you have a few pieces of hard locks in place, but you arent including the often played halves (Drannith Magistrate,Lavinia, Azorius Renegade). Youre playing a blue deck, but running Price of Glory which removes blues best trait which is stack interaction. You arent running wheels which work great with Narset, Parter of Veils in both they stax your opponent while getting you a new hand. You are running a ton of board wipes which in a more competitive environment wont do much.

Approach of the Second Sun is a slow and casual card but right now it seems like the most consistent way to win with this deck so only remove it once you come up with better win cons. You're in the colors to run Breach lines, so maybe try to incorporate that? Why not runRest in Peace and Helm of Obedience as you are in blue and white so you specialize in artifact and enchantment tutors? Add the other halves of the hard locks, toss in Muddle the Mixture as an easy way to tutor for Lavinia and Drannith, and that should turn them from a magical christmas land scenario to something that should happen more often. If youre in red, you should be playing Dockside Extortionist as it is currently one of the best pieces of ramp in cEDH. To be honest, you really should check out this website (https://cedh-decklist-database.com/) and look at decks that share your colors and gameplan, and see where you can make improvements.

Cards I would add Windfall,Wheel of Fortune, Drannith Magistrate, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, Dockside Extortionist, Gamble, Muddle the Mixture, Force of Will, Force of Negation, Mana Drain, Counterspell, Dispell, Flusterstorm, Mental Misstep, Ghostly Pilferer, Gilded Drake, Hushbringer, Rest in Peace, and Helm of Obedience.

Hopefully this helps.

StopShot on Counteracting large hexproof creatures.

4 months ago

The subject of this thread revolves around dealing with and counteracting against the commanders: Uril, the Miststalker, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Dragonlord Ojutai, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Thrun, the Last Troll as well as commanders that consistently or typically give themselves hexproof through various equipments/auras.

While it may not be the most prevalent strategy these types of commanders can be annoying to deal with. I'd like to create a discussion on what are the best ways to deal with these commanders. Given how niche these commanders can be, running cards that exclusively dedicate themselves to their removal may be detrimental to draw into when playing a game where none of your opponents run them. Therefore cards that can both combat massive hexproof creatures as well as still being useful to have if none of your opponents are playing with big hexproof creatures should be taken into consideration when deciding what is the "best" or "most practical" solution to combating hexproof strategies.

The first cards that come to mind are Arcane Lighthouse, Detection Tower, Bonds of Mortality, Shadowspear and Glaring Spotlight. These cards entirely dedicate themselves to combating hexproof strategies, and while this may be a detriment when used against non-hexproof strategies, these cards do lend themselves some extra utility. Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower can be seeded into your manabase so at worst they're just a Wastes however they can be more inefficient in comparison. Given that both are lands, tapping them costs you an extra mana resource effectively making their abilities cost to activate. Not only that, but they have no effect at stripping indestructible which can be a common keyboard which may be used alongside most hexproof strategies. Cards like Bonds of Mortality and Shadowspear cost only one to activate and they can bypass indestructible, however given they're not lands you have to dedicate a nonland slot in your deck to accommodate either of them which means taking out a card that may better synergize with your deck's main strategy in their place. They also lend themselves targets for counter spells and given hexproof decks contain white and/or green, artifact/enchantment removal will pose a high potential risk. This is all not to mention you still need to provide a removal spell in tandem with these cards in order to remove the threat.

Another solution is board wipes. Cards such as Wrath of God, Damnation, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict, Blasphemous Act, etc. Mass creature removal is incredibly strong given that its always relevant in most metas making it a highly flexible solution that isn't too narrow to rely upon. It's biggest drawback however is if the massive hexproof creature that needs to be dealt with has indestructible, totem armor or Gift of Immortality. Even a card such as Toxic Deluge can be a risk as you may have to pay a huge amount of life if the creature is incredibly big. Cyclonic Rift is another effective card. One thing to note about boardwipes are they affect the whole table which makes them also more likelier to be countered than by effects that impact a single individual.

A more narrow solution would be through damage prevention effects such as Story Circle, Forcefield, Runed Halo, Rune of Protection: White, etc. Given each card never "targets" they can be used to infinitely "Fog" a problem creature that you can't put up with. These effects are more narrow than boardwipes but broader than hexproof removal. Cards like these still run into problems with artifact/enchantment removal and they don't run enticing side effects such as drawing a card upon entering the battlefield like Bonds of Mortality or giving a creature lifelink and trample like Shadowspear, however you won't need to exhaust your removal spells to keep the large creature(s) either. In more broader metas such as combo, stax and prison, these effects may not be as useful however. More broader variants of these protection cards exist as Ensnaring Bridge, Divine Presence, Peacekeeper and Meekstone though these cards may make multiple opponents unhappy enough to remove them than the more narrower options.

The last effect used to combat large hexproof creatures is sacrifice effects such as: Fleshbag Marauder, Innocent Blood, Vona's Hunger, Liliana's Triumph, Doomfall etc. These effects can bypass not only hexproof but also indestructible, regenerate and totem armor. Their drawback lies in if the player with the large hexproof creature has any other creatures to sacrifice in their place. Because of this caveat this effect isn't too strong unless ran in multiples which can be difficult to commit to in a 100-card format. Instead selective sacrifice effects may be the best way to devote to this solution with cards like: Crackling Doom, Soul Shatter, Slaughter the Strong, Council's Judgment, Renounce the Guilds and Wing Shards. While these cards won't always guarantee the large hexproof creature will be removed, they provide a stronger case than not compared to most traditional sacrifice removal.

Lastly there are counter spells to remove hexproof creatures. While they may be the best all purpose solution they can be rendered ineffective if a Cavern of Souls or some other can not be countered effect is in place. With exception to Withering Boon, the biggest downside to counter spells are they are entirely exclusive to blue meaning other color combinations without blue do not have this option available.

Which method do you rely on to stop massive hexproof creatures? Is there a card or solution set not listed here that you use? If you happen to play EDH decks with big massive hexproof creatures, which effects annoy/counter you the most?

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