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Create X 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens. If X is 5 or more, destroy all other creatures.
Martial Coup Discussion
1 month ago
Okay, let's give a few starters.. Adding Rienne seems to be not such a great choice. Your amount of multicoloured creatures is, aside from her, only 9... and you should remove Tahngarth, First Mate for sure, perhaps Emmara Tandris too, since the big tokens might nog necessarily care TOO much for not receiving damage, especially for 7 mana. So I'd take Rienne out.
Taking out Hate Mirage also doesn't seem like a great idea. You have the ability to copy your opponents creatures and at least smack people in the face with them. Imagine some of your opponents playing either giant legendary Eldrazi or powerful ETB creatures. The best part though is that, if non-legendary, you can populate those creatures you were only gonna have for a turn...and make the populated token stay. Populating the token does NOT copy the exile clause of Hate Mirage, or any other sortlike clauses on red copy spells. Turning powerful creatures this way into tokens is a surefire way of your opponents going "oh-ooh..".
Desolation Twin is a doubting case... yes it costs 10.. but you are in green for ramp and probably want something like a Mirari's Wake anyway.. so it might be a good card. Plus if you somehow mill or discard it, a Feldon of the Third Path or Seance (which might be a worthwhile inclusion as well) can suddenly get you 20/20 on the board divided over 2 bodies. And each time you populate, you give yourself an additional 20/20.
Your deck now contains a single boardwipe in the form of Hour of Reckoning . I'd include 1-2 more in. Yes, you are very heavy on creatures and you would like to keep your board... but if you ever find yourself against such a powerful board, maybe even multiple times in a game, and it's wipe or lose... a 1/99 chance to draw your only boardwipe won't cut it. So to stay in token theme though, I'd add your removed Phyrexian Rebirth and perhaps, thought they are tiny, Martial Coup will give you at least 5 1/1s after wiping the board. It's something.
For the rest:
Trostani's Judgement (exile and synergy with deck.. but too expensive for single target removal). Replace that with something like Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile . Yes you ramp/let your opponent live longer... but at the same time you make sure you don't die to something you want to get rid off, NOW, for only a single mana you might have had left over somehow.
Alot more, but this comment is probably already getting a bit too long...
1 month ago
Hey Andre4000 I'm here as requested to help with your deck.
First, I would recommend a few more ramp cards. RW doesn't have too many ramp options, so you'll probably have to rely on artifacts. I'd recommend Star Compass and Prismatic Lens and Kor Cartographer and Hedron Archive and Everflowing Chalice and Dreamstone Hedron and Sol Ring . Overall, about 10 ramp cards is a good fule of thumb for most EDH decks.
Second, I would recommend a few more card-draw effects. RW also lacks a lot of good card draw, so you may also need to rely on some artifacts here. I'd recommend Dawn of Hope and Seer's Sundial and Conqueror's Galleon Flip and Infiltration Lens and Howling Mine . Again, about 10 card draw effects is good for most EDH decks.
Also, I think you could get away with 36-38 lands if you want to free up a few spots for other cards.
Lastly, I'd recommend you a few board wipes. This deck wants to commit a lot to the battlefield, but eventually you'll run into a deck that can commit more stuff and faster than yours. Some boardwipes you might want are Hour of Reckoning and Martial Coup .
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.
1 month ago
Martial Coup could be a good boardwipe for this deck.
Sandwurm Convergence can give you some beefy tokens and protection from flyers.
Finale of Revelation could be fun in this deck.
Emmara, Soul of the Accord could be a fun token generator.
Overall, this deck looks pretty well put-together. +1
1 month ago
Good points all around.
- 1.) I don't know what to remove to slot them or others in
- 2.) I'd rather just play big meaty Bois, lol. At least, for this deck. I have others that are built "more normally".
2 months ago
Martial Coup could be a good board wipe for this deck.
2 months ago
Looks like a fun deck!
Dawn of Hope could be a good card-draw outlet with your commander. Can also help you generate tokens in the late game.
Martial Coup could be a good board-wipe/token factory.
Hope this helps!
2 months ago
So the original plan of the deck was to set everyone up to lose their lands to Fall of the Thran and then shut down the second half of the effect with Mudhole to try to rebound faster than my opponents. I went with an all-in combo strategy that's weak on tempo but with some playtesting it's really clear that it needs to make plays that aren't just big board sweepers to stabilize.
Also (believe it or not) i put a lot of thought into the mana base. The idea was to just give up on mana rocks and try to hit 4 lands on the draw so i can stick Academy Rector and Wrath of God on turn 4 reliably. You might imagine that doesn't do super good against decks that get a planeswalker just as soon or sooner.
I like the new mana base you propose. It's more reliable on the draw and still pretty good on the play. Going first is going to be good for this deck.
More to the point i think a lifegain strat would benefit the deck. I notice you didn't mention any creatures but i think Wall of Reverence and Crested Sunmare could be good buddies for the early to mid game before i combo out.
2 months ago
Commenting here rather than on your page.
I don't mean to sound so overbearingly critical, but your deck is overall lacking in substantial board presence. Oathbreaker is a format in which you want to protect your Planeswalker at all viable costs. You have four creatures. That does not make for a very strong base. I'm going to rip into this deck, but I am also going to offer you suggestions on how to greatly improve upon it :) I hope that you don't take offense to anything I am saying, but I felt like I can do you some good here.
Next, I notice that a lot of your lands are either bounce lands or lands in which you can sacrifice them to get an additional mana for that turn. I am concerned with this style of play, because the bounce lands sort of equal out to the same amount of mana for the turn, and in some cases don't even move you ahead. Sacrifice the lands for extra mana sets you back. Allow me to explain:
- T3: You have two lands out. You tap both to add to your pool, then play Boros Garrison . The rest of the turn doesn't matter, we are merely focusing on land presence and mana potential.
- T4: You replay the land you just bounced last turn. Now you have a total of three lands that can produce a total of 4 mana.
The issue here is that you set yourself back on tempo on T3 to become caught up on T4. Rather than producing 3 mana on T3, you only produced 2; And for your efforts on T3, you are no better off on T4 than if you had just played a basic land.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo are even worse, because you have 16 of your 26 lands that contain specific subtypes, each one only being represented on 10 Plains and 8 Mountains. So if you have a Dormant Volcano in your hand but you don't have any lands with Mountain as their subtype, you literally can not play it. Even worse, it has to be an untapped land you return AND it still enters the battlefield tapped. So not only do you lose a land, you don't even get the mana from it and it's highly more restrictive than Boros Garrison .
Additionally, Temple of the False God literally does you no good if you get it out before you have five total lands. Shrine of the Forsaken Gods is better absolutely all around because at least it produces you something.
Now we need to discuss your "pay-to-play" lands; Crystal Vein , Dwarven Ruins & Ruins of Trokair . The issue here is that you may have immediate access to ramp, but you trade that for immediate downfall as you slip farther and farther behind because you no longer have lands on the battlefield. These cards should never go in any deck that doesn't have some means to return them, such as Crucible of Worlds / Ramunap Excavator or Wrenn and Six .
Dwarven Ruins and Ruins of Trokair for Heart of Ramos and Tooth of Ramos . This is because on T3 you can play your 3rd land and play an artifact to ramp with. On T4 when you play your fourth land, you now have 5 mana available and therefore are in ramp mode. You can also sac the artifact to generate another mana if need be, and it won't hurt your land base. These are under appreciated artifacts, and to be honest you don't need 26 lands in a 58 card deck. Yes, 58. Ajani and Mudhole are outside of your library.
Dormant Volcano and Karoo for Boros Signet and Boros Cluestone . Signet gets you two mana for the cost of one (Tapping two permanents equals out to 1 mana per permanent, but now you get one of each color) and Cluestone gets you one of any color, but also gives you draw options if you need it later on.
This sets you down to 22 lands, which in all of my playing of Oathrbeaker is ideal. This also increases your stones up from 4 into ~6. We will be working on this in a moment.
I get it, you want to blow up lands so your opponent can't play the game. But do you need 10 cards that do that? 11 with Ajani?
Cut out the following, for their listed reasons:
As mentioned before, you want more artifacts that produce mana. You currently have the following:
Now we still have four card slots open from before. We are sitting now at a total of six stones. We want eight. We will use two slots to add the following:
We now have 22 lands and 8 stones. 30 mana producing cards in a 58 card deck. This means you will SERIOUSLY ramp in Boros.
- Faithless Looting : Because it can be played twice, due to Flashback
- Dawn of Hope : Another 2 CMC permanent that can be used in conjunction with Ajani Vengeant 's -2 for card draw on non-specific colors of mana. Then you can also use it to create tokens with self-fulfilling conditions since they have lifelink. This means you don't have to rely on Ajani going down, and you can still progress the boardstate.
As for a win condition outside of Form of the Dragon , there is also Martial Coup . Since you are snuffing out all of your opponent's lands anyway, as well as their creatures, why not create a literal army of tokens that now stand unopposed?
You may also want to consider replacing Mudhole with something more viable. Perhaps Lightning Helix ? It burns and gets you life. Acts as another win condition, makes it harder for your opponent to win in the process as your life totals grow farther and farther apart, and plays nicely with the aforementioned Dawn of Hope .
This took me like 40 minutes, so I hope it helps.
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