Lofty Denial

Instant

Counter target spell unless its controller pays {1}. If you control a creature with flying, counter that spell unless its controller pays {4} instead.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pauper	Legal
Pauper Duel Commander	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (31)

Elsterooo on New to Pioneer. *HELP*

2 months ago

Sure, I hope I will not forget anything from before.

The card I posted was Military Intelligence. Not necessairly for this list, but you said you like, in part, a control focused approach and I wanted to at least post something if I was going to comment. I'm glad if that was a helpful suggestion.

I think the comments already mentioned all the important bits. And I agree about less to no Disallow. The reason for this is Lofty Denial should take care of everything you need. Even if someone casts a one mana spell on T2 and you don't have a flier out, you wouldn't be able to cast Disallow either. I do not believe leaving three mana open on T3 to enable it is beneficial to your strategy as well, I'd even prefer a Spell Queller in that situation.

All in all, my reasoning for this is that by the time you could meaningfully cast Disallow, your opponent should be on life support at the bare minimum.

No matter your experience, it is substantially hard to make these choices without cardpool knowledge and a feeling for the powerlevel of the format. You're doing great, though.

Elsterooo on New to Pioneer. *HELP*

2 months ago

Military Intelligence

I've read through the comments and everything important has already been said. You say you like things to be control heavy and I wanted to at least make one suggestion if I was going to comment that you'd perhaps find interesting.

It's not really for this list, but if you end up tweaking something in the future, I hope this can be useful.

I do agree with Disallow being a 2x max. Aggro isn't my thing, so I don't know whether it fits on curve. In theory 4x Lofty Denial should be plenty, simply because you don't want your opponent to be alive by the time you could cast a Disallow fittingly or they can pay for Lofty meaningfully. I'd go 4x Lofty and 1x Disallow, personally.

Balaam__ on New to Pioneer. *HELP*

5 months ago

Geistlight Snare might be good too, I’ll maybeboard that for now. Not sure I can fully capitalize on it with just the 4 enchantments, but we’ll see. And I’ll be sure to playtest with both No More Lies and Lofty Denial to see which yields the more consistent results, but for now I threw in Lofty Denial simply because I already have some on hand. Thanks again, this has been really helpful!

Balaam__ on New to Pioneer. *HELP*

5 months ago

Thanks a bunch, K4nkato. I completely overlooked Curious Obsession and it’s pretty much exactly what the deck needs. It’s outclassed in other formats so it never even entered my mind, but I’m grateful you pointed it out!

I’ve not seen No More Lies until now, and it looks solid, but is it better than Lofty Denial in this shell? It’ll exile stuff which is ok I guess, but Lofty Denial is practically guaranteed to set them back another {4} vs No More Lies’ {3}, as every creature I have is a flyer. I don’t know whether the exile bit outweighs the more secure counter effect. Regardless, I see your point about dropping the axe on Absorb and Disallow, and I have a good idea where to go from here.

Thanks again for the input.

Balaam__ on W/U Wingbeats

8 months ago

Great stuff here. I see Lofty Denial in your maybeboard already, I definitely recommend mainboarding it. It’s just too good.

wallisface on uuu

8 months ago

Some thoughts:

• as a monocolored deck, there’s no point in running Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse, in fact as they make lands enter tapped, they actively hurt you by slowing you down.

• cards like Lofty Denial and Lookout's Dispersal are incredibly weak and unreliable - you’re better off running Mana Leak.

• your creature count is very high for a control deck, which will often mean you run out of ways to disrupt your opponent and get overwhelmed. Mist of your creatures are all incredibly underwhelming also, all being very small, easy to kill, and do-nothing. You would be far better-off running much less creatures, but then having those creatures that you do run be threatening, like Tolarian Terror.

• cards like Stern Dismissal, Unsummon, and Divide by Zero are all really, really bad in a control deck, as the archetype only really wins by attrition and card advantage, and these bounce spells are giving you card disadvantage - meaning you’ll run out of resources first and lose the game. If you’re having problems answering stuff on-board, you’re better-off with something like Witness Protection

GodOfBullshit on Pramikon, The Wall of Stall

2 years ago

SufferFromEDHD Great suggestions, I had actually swapped out Generous Gift because I misread it as creature only removal, definitely putting that back in.

Swan Song got pulled because back when I was trimming cards to fit 100 almost all of my counters were noncreature, and I wanted to be able to deal with problematic creatures as well, just in case. Might slot it back in now that I've got dealt with that problem. Lofty Denial possibly the option to swap out.

The walls are good options, might take out Thermo-Alchemist and Electrostatic Field for them. Bit worried about how few red cards are the deck though.

Harsh Mercy while most likely keeping my blockers alive, also has a decent possibility of not dealing with the problem of my opponents board as well. I'll give it some thought though.

Also this is all theory, I actually haven't even put the deck together on paper yet. Once I've played it for a bit I'll have to do some tuning.

Thanks for the suggestions, if you have any more let me know.

Saccox on Fly with Pezzent Air-lines! (10/12 Euro/$)

3 years ago

Balaam__ it's a strong card but i want draw cards with the creatures,put it in the maybeboard.

YodaVoda Sephara, Sky's Blade it's over budget. Lofty Denial i don't want counters in this deck. Judge's Familiar and Thunderclap Wyvern are interesting,put in the maybeboard.

Exogino for me,it's more strong Cryptic Caves. the ability cost only 2 mana,in the same turn i can draw and play a spell. I could put 2 Skybridge Towers instead of 2 Tranquil Cove

thanks all for the help ^^