Condemn

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Condemn

Instant

Put target attacking creature on the bottom of its owner's library. Its controller gains life equal to its toughness.

lhetrick13 on G/W +1/+1 counters

2 months ago

Drestlin - Generally, I like the edits! Surprisingly you dropped the average CMC down a bit which I am not sure if that was intentional but that alone will speed things up.

For the lands, out of the 20 lands, you have 16 ways to get and 8 ways to get so you may still feel like it is tough to get when you want it but at least the deck is more of a splash of instead of like 50/50.

I do not recall but did you need graveyard hate with Lion Sash? If not, I would bet Luminarch Aspirant would be a better fit for those slots as you do not have to reconfigure and lose a body on the field to move around the counters.

Lastly, I noticed you changed out Baffling End for Journey to Nowhere. I am guessing most the decks you are playing must not run much artifact or enchantment removal given your removal (Portable Hole and Journey to Nowhere are exactly that. A buddy of mine hits me with Condemn pretty regularly which is pretty powerful if you take out a key creature or just a big hitter as most decks lack any kind of effective searching.

Hope the changes pay off!

lhetrick13 on I'll Raise you +1/+1...

3 months ago

Drestlin - I do like how Baffling End comes from one of my favorite sets! Otherwise, I feel like it is similar to a lot of the other low cost removal from out there in terms of having a condition to meet to be effective, having a negative side effect, or losing those at the expense of cost such as Fatal Push, Infernal Grasp, Bloodchief's Thirst, Assassin's Trophy, Maelstrom Pulse, Vindicate...

The cheaper removal stuff from also has limiting conditions conditions or negative side effects like Smite, Swallow Whole, Reciprocate, Condemn, etc...which was one of my problems to begin with, not being able to always removal the creatures I needed consistently with Swallow Whole. Not saying that my idea to use Retribution of the Ancients for removal is not without its faults as you have to have +1/+1 counters to lose but at least it does not give the opponent a boost in land or creatures or take a 10th of my health (which the high number or fetch, shock, or pain lands already do that and more!).

Playtesting Retribution of the Ancients so far has had mixed reviews. I have either lost playing against decks like Living End where creatures are not really a thing until they are a thing and its to late or I have gotten it out and it does work effectively to help clear the board of essential pieces or just enough so I can get unblocked creatures for the win.

JoosetheMuice on Kynaios Actual

3 months ago

Based on yesterday's games I have some suggestions!

First, the cuts: Hushwing Gryff Mina and Denn, Wildborn Rubblehulk Oath of Druids Condemn Oblation Collective Voyage Keening Stone (unless you lean more into mill) Hour of Promise and Tempt with Discovery should all go

DoIStillLoveIt on Rebel Holler

4 months ago

Have you considered the infinite life combo with Task Force+Outrider en-Kor+ either Animal Boneyard/Condemn/Miren, the Moaning Well/Worthy Cause? I run it in my Lin-Sivvi and it's a nice way to buy yourself time to find the win.

Wuzibo on Questioning the Iona Banning

4 months ago

ZendikariWol

Any removal spell that can give your opponent that same permanent back for free, or an eldrazi titan for free, is not good or efficient. Even if it is successful, it goes back into their library, where they can just draw it again and put it back out, or tutor it out. I have chaos warped leyline of the void only for it to come right back out.

Enchanter's Bane is also not removal, and it at best puts the leyline player on a 10 turn clock. the RIP player will be on a 20 turn clock. That's assuming they don't have any lifegain, which they probably do because they're playing white, and they have plenty of ways to respond to an enchantment like that, so they could kill it before it becomes a problem to them. They start with 40 life. Having to pay 2 per turn cycle to keep me locked down isn't so bad. It's not a bad card, but it doesn't do what red needs, which is get rid of the enchantment. It's not an answer to enchantments. It's a tax on an enchantment. If they can pay the tax, it doesn't really do anything. They can also just get rid of the thing causing the problem for them/taxing them. You can't just Generous Gift a Disenchant. So, really, the options available to red to deal with enchantment based hate pieces are only colorless.

Chaos Warp and Enchanter's Bane are efficient? Compared to what? 2 or 4 extra mana to exile something as opposed to just putting it back in their library and potentially giving them something for free is more efficient. It's commander. There's usually so much mana flying around, you need good effects, not cheap effects. Efficiency is important, but, it actually being a solution to the problem and not just a bandaid is important too. Beast Within, Generous Gift and Anguished Unmaking are more efficient for the same cost as chaos warp. Seal of Cleansing is more efficient in the same card type and for the same cost as Enchanter's Bane. i can't run any of those in mono R, though. Introduction to Annihilation is more efficient since it actually gets rid of it permanently. Destroying something is efficient at about 3 mana. Exiling it is definitely efficient at that level, and is maybe efficient at 5 mana. Shuffling it back into their deck would be efficient at like, 2 or 1 mana, but not at 3. For three mana, it needs to be destroying it. On top of that, it gives them a permanent- and not a generic 3/3 - so it should be cheaper if it was "efficient". Efficiency is effect over cost, not just cost. If it was just cost, Shock would be as efficient as Lightning Bolt.

Snap157

I'm fine with silver bullets. They're good for the format. People should have to build around them. That's why i didn't like the rule change where people couldn't lose access to their commanders by having them shuffled away. That was a silver bullet to people who built a deck overly dependent on the commander. Voltron - the archetype built around commander damage - can build around this by just including some other creatures in the deck and throwing all their voltron equipments on them and winning with regular damage in the event their commander got Condemned or Chaos Warped. Yisan can play around Stranglehold even without removing it by just being a good green deck in the traditional sense, having strong creatures and the ramp to cast them. I build around "everything" to the degree it's possible. My daretti deck could play around graveyard hate by just being a good artifact deck in general. Get some ramp, throw Winter Orb Vedalken Orrery and Unwinding Clock out and just cast stuff on their turns to keep growing your board. Kaalia functioned without Kaalia because i played in a pod with marath who could blow her up in response to me trying to equip her. So I ran enough ramp to just hardcast everything and "Angel, Demon, and Dragon Tribal" is good enough on its own.

Iona is a silver bullet, yes. She's not "insta lose" though. You could still hit her with anything colorless. Her + painter's servant is actually "Insta lose".

fadelightningmm

Yeah that's exactly it. In 2012, this ban would have made sense. Now it just doesn't. There's so much more to do in magic now. There's so many more answers. I know people hate on them, but Scour from Existence and Introduction to Annihilation are two of the most important cards ever released for this format because they now give exile type removal of any permanent to all the colors. It is watering down the color pie a little bit, but, they're expensive enough it doesn't really detract from white. They still get to do it for much cheaper. They're not really better options than most other things, but, to colors that don't have access to those effects, it's huge. It gave every color a way to deal with problematic indestructible stuff, and a way to deal with problematic things that keep coming back.

LinkOpensChest_wav on Yikes! Humans!

9 months ago

I've got some of those in my binder, and I think you're right that I need more removal. Stasis Snare is a great idea, for example. I think I have some other spells like Condemn in my binder, and actually I think I might have a Beast Within too.

Yeah, I need to sit down tonight and figure out what I can cut to add more removal, because you're right.

Do you think I need more board wipes too? The only ones I've got in here are Cleansing Nova and Citywide Bust, but I've got a ton of spare white boardwipes in my collection.

Daveslab2022 on Edgar Markov is not dead

11 months ago

This deck looks really fun! +1!

I just have a few suggestions that I think the deck a little faster and more consistent.

First, all of your creatures are pretty expensive! I would trim down on a few of the more expensive legendary creatures, and add some more aggressive style creatures.

I also think that your cards like Gleam of Battle, Coat of Arms, and Blade of the Bloodchief are just a bit too slow and only really help when you’re already ahead on board. If you’re behind, or the board is stalled, they don’t help much.

I think you should add some removal spells like Heartless Act, Murderous Rider (not a vampire but a creature after the removal spell!), Doom Blade, Path to Exile, or Condemn. There are a ton of removal spells so if you want more suggestions I can help out.

I hope it doesn’t seem like I’m ripping your deck apart! I think it’s really sweet! I would just play a little more aggressive of a deck if it were mine! Dusk Legion Zealot isn’tbig but it draws a card and can get big quickly with your other cards.

Gifted Aetherborn is another cheap vampire with lifelink and deathtouch!

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