Destroy target artifact, target creature, target enchantment, and target land.
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|Commander 2018 (C18)||Rare|
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4 days ago
Reeeaaaaly liked your deck, looks pretty solid and fun to play! I also, for the life of me, cannot get rid of Dragon Broodmother
Has Young Pyromancer shown good results for you? It never did a lot for me and it was mostly just a blocker, but that's because my LGS meta revolves arround early infect damage haha
Decimate was one of the best cuts i made in my deck, traded for Abrade and between Kaalia of the Vast, Rafiq of the Many and that god-forsaken Land that turns into an flying infect creature, i think it was pretty worth it but, then again, kinda early hitting playgroup.
Again, i really liked the way you've built this. if you'd be so kind as to take a look at my wort, and see anything i might improve, i'd really appreciate it ;)
1 month ago
Decimate - 4 in 1 removal
Life's Legacy - Draw
Tooth and Nail - Wincon/tutor
The Great Henge - Draw, lifegain, pump
Deflecting Swat - Counter counterspells, redirect targetted removal, draw, extra turns and more, for free!
Heroic Intervention - In response to removal
Momentous Fall - See above
Soul's Fire > Fling - Since you don't need to sac the creature as an additional cost which is noteworthy around blue. The difference is minimal, but should be noted.
Berserk - Don't worry, malignus doesn't have trample.... Greater Good - If you listen to any suggestion, this is it. The most important card in your deck, hands down. Draw a bunch of cards, filter what you dont need, all in response to removal. Can't get any better
I have some ideas for cuts and other suggestions should you wish. Be sure to let me know what you think of each one and if you want others :)
1 month ago
Guys... Force of Will and Pact of Negation are rare... and you just have to get creative with your removal. Artifact Mutation/Aura Mutation, Attrition, Bedevil, Berserk, Bounty Agent, Decimate, Dimir Charm, Dreadbore THE LIST GOES ON
1 month ago
If we want to run a land destruction suite we certainly can, but no matter what, people gonna get salty. Targeted removal is going to be less salt-inducing than mass land destruction (MLD), but it's gonna make people upset enough to counter punch you a bit. You gotta acknowledge and be prepared for that if you're going to do it...no getting upset if someone reacts to you blowing a few land by knocking you for 20 (even if it may be an overreaction). Picking and choosing your targets carefully instead of going for everything will also help. We can also be sneaky about it...cards like Decimate, Star of Extinction, and Terastodon aren't explicitly or primarily land destruction, but they hit land anyways, and people are less likely to be upset at that.
Here's what I'm looking at for big spells (I would pick 4 or so at most): In Garruk's Wake, Rise of the Dark Realms, Liege of the Tangle, Praetor's Counsel, Terastodon, Star of Extinction, Destructive Force, Omnath, Locus of Rage, Boundless Realms
1 month ago
2 months ago
Trying to solve the format:
Now, why Yidris? Yes, Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is in the right colors, however it is much more expensive to switch from these decklists in that way. Neither Tymna nor Thrasios is in the Atraxa Precon (As seen on Atraxa Precon (Reference)), and Yidris has Thrasios, Triton Hero (Yidris Precon), and when it comes down to it, most importantly are the sultai colors of the pairing, so the manabase isn't incredibly difficult to swap, etc.
Now down to the deck's evolution. While starting with Yidris for it's value is smart, moving quickly over to change out for a Thrasios, Triton Hero/Vial Smasher the Fierce once you make a few dollars, adding in the main engines that drive this archetype. Thassa's Oracle isn't incredibly expensive, however Demonic Consultation/Tainted Pact are certainly not cheap anymore. This means that the best wincons are going to be more controling, and I recommend moving to Vial Smasher as a main wincon.
Keen Sense and Curiosity effects are honestly not a huge investment, and can add a lot of consistency and ability to turn the list into a Curious Control style deck very fast. That can be cheap switches, like Notion Thief, Dig Through Time, and Treasure Cruise to add additional damage and value throughout the game, and just adding some extra cheap countermagic and mana dorks to get them out early and the deck looks really efficient.
Remember, this list already has good synergies for this strategy. Obviously ramp + Thrasios is busted, that's why Thrasios, Triton Hero is so expensive. Just tossing in Vial Smasher as a backup wincon to any number of decent budget threats, some cheap board wipes (think Languish) and some effective removal and the list hits really hard as a strong control deck, easily able to win some games for that cash prize. Being a strongly upgradeable deck, one that gets incredibly powerful on a budget if you have the precon, and also being great out of the box is why this strategy is so good.
Remember for those that wanted Atraxa, or the 5c Dragon deck and wanted to upgrade those to the higher tiers for their manabase, they have to cut tons of dragon and +1/+1 synergies over time, while this deck ran cards like Windfall and Decimate and Burgeoning and signets, Fellwar Stone, Commander's Sphere, etc. Our deck just ran the good cards irrespective of strategy, letting us change out individual cards rather than the whole deck.
Now upgrading the manabase, individual cards, turning more into a curious control deck, perfectly balance in the competitive scenes, hopefully smoking the competition in the early-mid tiers of this format, moving to the Oracle/Consult lines, and tuning will get you far, but make sure you know when enough is enough, as this plateaus with enough money pretty fast, don't go out of your way to get shocks and even mid budget cards (5+ dollars or maybe even less) that can't be used for the Tymna the Weaver side of things. Start looking to upgrade the ramp, interaction, etc. and look to save up store credit to get Tymna the Weaver.
Perhaps prepare by getting manabase that works for both, think fetches at a certain point where either decklist has a use for it, as you upgrade to the best deck of the format, this will be a budgeted version obviously, but even a City of Brass is a great card that just does work for either deck. Getting cheap enablers like Avacyn's Pilgrim, Drannith Magistrate, Aven Mindcensor to replace the Keen Sense style effects from Vial Smasher aren't too expensive, so make sure you are ready to swap cards as you swap commanders. Now work on a bit of manabase fixing and the deck is really ready.
The decklists below look to show where to take the Vial Smasher and Tymna variants on a budget, both based off of some of the cards it would have been expected to have gotten! I personally went for the Dramatic Reversal/Isochron Scepter plan first while testing, as it wasn't overly expensive, and adding in a ton of dorks and rocks for the list was both cheaper than many people might expect, and really really useful when wanting to both have a strong lategame (Thrasios is busted) and also allows for the backup wincon backdooring Thrasios into a Jace/Oracle win!
Commander / EDH
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Taking the above decklist, refining it for Tymna the Weaver and reposting a similar list and we have the following below:
Commander / EDH
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Now, not only are both of these good budget cEDH decks, but they are specifically in the mindset of this format, being the optimal upgrade path to a cEDH list from this mindset, and being the most competitive upgrade path possible, hopefully dominating the format.
Now obviously some people will enjoy the Iso-Rev combo, may move to Power Artifact style stuff after a few hundred wins, whatever floats your boat. I already own duals from store credit in EDH games I run cEDH decks in sanctioned by the store, so it is possible, just depending on the length of the season. Again, my store has a system where each player pays 5 dollars, and gets a 5 dollar coin, they can play in one of two types of pods, one where each player keeps the coin, or the other where people give it to the winner. Under this system, with a $20 allowance per win, assuming 1 win per week you get to build up these lists in roughly 8 weeks based on my estimates.
Make sure to use heavily played cards, discount codes, etc. to get it done even faster! Also, look into other upgrade paths to solve this format, while I tested every list and saw what was closest to the top tier, there may be much more efficient lists early on, so try to get a system to beat this one!
Thank you RNR_Gaming for this challenge, it was super fun to try to solve, and I look forward to perhaps testing my theory in person and crushing everyone xD
2 months ago
Thanks again! Awesome that you take the time out of your day to really give such an insightful comment.
I have been working on the deck after I posted it and even upgraded it a bit between your comment and me posting the deck, two of them are even cards you recommended! Bonders' Enclave and Gruul Signet. I also added Rogue's Passage to maybe sneak an attacker in.
I did actually buy quite a few cards a few days ago that just arrived and some of them are also cards you mentioned :D
I also added these ones, maybe you have some comments about them?
- God-Eternal Rhonas, it looks like it can combo quite well with Xenagos. Have you tried the cards?
- Mwonvuli Beast Tracker, I always find myself missing Trample so I thought this guy could help tutoring for it.
- Skarrg, the Rage Pits a worse Kessig Wolf Run but also a lot cheaper, and I am mainly after the trample effect (I think).
- Scavenging Ooze wanted a way to deal with peoples graveyard shenanigans.
- Mind Stone ramp! (basically added it because you mentioned it in Norin :P )
- Solemn Simulacrum there are other ramp cards in green but I just think he is a lot of value.
- I also swapped the Sedge Scorpion for a Deadly Recluse because even though I find it nice to have a early thing on the board that can deter people from attacking me before I have some of my guys out I found that a lot of attacks just went over it.
The things I will be cutting is the Scorpion and
- Mistcutter Hydra (I have other sources of can't be countered and it not doing anything else than that feels a bit week),
- Dragon Throne of Tarkir (too slow. Even though I love the prospect of being able to double the equipped creature and then have it applied to every other creather, it simply doesn't happen often enough and it doesn't provide value as soon as it lands because it would cost + mana for it to do so),
- Solidarity of Heroes (I have used it as a combat trick but it is too situational especially as I plan to cut some of the counter/hydra creatures),
- Twinflame (often when I am thinking of casting this I realize I would rather cast one of my creatures or wish it was a creature),
- Brash Taunter (thought it would be fun, but it is as I expected - way to slow), Flame-Wreathed Phoenix (I wanted a flying creature but and really only put this in for sentimental reasons but it just isn't doing anything, it is very unsatisfying to double it especially if it already have haste),
- Peregrination (don't think it's worth the cost, added other/earlier ways to ramp),
- Nissa's Pilgrimage (same reason as the other)
Let me know what you think about the cuts and if I could have made better ones!
Now for your recommendations!
- Lurking Predators Sounds like a great idea, would love to hear what you think should be cut from the deck too.
- The Great Henge Yeah I want a few of these, to go into some decks. Have on my "buy it on a bargain" list. Hopefully I can pick it up soon.
- Decimate and Hull Breach Looks like great cards, I have noticed that I really need to put some enchantment/artifact removal in and these two looks like great picks for it.
- Life's Legacy Very nice card! Will probably pick it up, but when do one have to much draw?
- Nature's Lore I was going to add one of these a while back as I thought i had one laying around but I couldn't find it and forgot to acquire one. Will put it on my list :)
- Rishkar's Expertise Added this one!
- Skyshroud Claim I like this card too, but I always find 4 mana ramp to be a little late. You think it's still pulling it's weight?
Beast Within Great card, will be adding this at one point
Berserk Never been a fan of killing my own creatures, but I guess the added benefit of being able to use it on an enemy is nice. I could also Berserk it and then sac it myself with any of the card draw cards. Will be looking out for one if I can find a really cheap one.
Momentous Fall Nice one! Will pick this one up for sure
Return of the Wildspeaker Will add this one too, bought a few of them already a week back but they are taking their sweet time arriving.
Lands I have already added the Bonder's Enclave and will be adding a Myriad Landscape as I have an extra one. I will also look to acquire the other ones. I am thinking of also adding Reliquary Tower as it's likely I will get more than 7 cards in hand after a sacrifice, Mishra's Factory as it's one of the only good manlands I have (doubt Kher Keep will do much here) I am also thinking of adding a Tectonic Edge to deal with other people's lands.
Most of the dragons you mention was about to go into the deck, but then I bought a Secret Lair and built a dragon deck instead. Will be looking into getting most of the dragons you mention here.
There's so many here, hard to pick and choose which to add! I will start with the ones I know I want in Eternal Witness because there is always something that's worth casting twice, Kogla, the Titan Ape can remove a lot of stuff in one go as I can give it haste too, Ilharg, the Raze-Boar been looking to add this guy since day one! But they have always been so over priced in my local market about 7-8$! I managed to find one yesterday for $5! So hopefully it will find it's way to me tomorrow :) Reclamation Sage need more removal so this on should be a given, Sakura-Tribe Elder need a bit more ramp so I can get it out more reliable so this one a good one. Was going to add a Fierce Empath when I opened 2020, must have forgotten!
I am also looking to add Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma and Lifeblood Hydra but they are hard to find in my local market. The other ones I will add to my list and pick them up if I can get them cheap, to at least switch out for some others and see what fits my play style the best!
Would love a Deflecting Swat (in Norin too), but my local market have it quite high, and I think I can find more impactful cards for cheaper. Oh I will definitely upgrade for a Vines of Vastwood and look for a Blossoming Defense, right now my biggest defense against spot removal is Archetype of Endurance but it's so expensive to cast!
There are a lot of cards here that you have mentioned that I have both already added and want to add now that you have brought them to my attention, so I will have to do a lot of cuts and would love to here your thoughts on what should be removed (and if the cuts I already did where good ones) would also love why you think I should remove some cards over others.
Thanks a lot for yet another deep look at my deck! Really appreciate it :)