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Tap: Add (1) to your mana pool.
(Red)(Green), Tap: Target Beast creature you control fights target creature an opponent controls. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
Contested Cliffs Discussion
1 month ago
Not a bad start! But I think there are some improvements you could make. I would take out these cards as they seem less impactful: Magus of the Arena, Elder of Laurels, Scourge of Skola Vale, Wild Celebrants, Rust Scarab, Mistcutter Hydra, Nessian Asp, Soul of Zendikar, Stonebrow Krosan Hero, Pyrewild Shaman, Stoneshock Giant, Ancient Silverback, Sporemound
I'd replace those cards with these: Temur Sabertooth , Ulvenwald Hydra , Knollspine Dragon , Ulvenwald Observer , Soul of the Harvest , Garruk's Packleader , Fierce Empath , Farhaven Elf , Elvish Rejuvenator , Magus of the Candelabra , Stone-Seeder Hierophant , Somberwald Sage , Greenwarden of Murasa
2 months ago
I know that the mana base for a five-colour commander deck will need all of the coloured mana it can get, but the one utility land that I think is strong enough to be worth considering anyway is Contested Cliffs . Three mana to pick off an opposing creature every turn is no mean feat!
You might also enjoy the usefulness of Descendants' Path and Call to the Kindred as ways to drop creatures for free every turn. So long as you have a single changeling out, every creature in your deck is eligible for sneaking out!
3 months ago
Ideas for the Naya mechanic:
This one sort of resembles the mechanic you suggest yourself ZendikariWol
Goes on smaller creatures and has no innate effect.
Whenever you cast a creature spell with power or converted mana cost 5 or higher, you may return "the caretaker" to your hand. If you do effect.
Effect could be anything from reduction of mana cost, gaining life, draw cards based on number of creatures with Power 5+, search library for basic land, tunnel vision for a new creature/aura/enchantment.
Flavor: In the first Naya shard we had a lot of creatures with a similar feel. Godtoucher , Sunseed Nurturer , Drumhunter . The flavor on Caretaker would be that you call upon these smaller humanoids of Naya, and to more easily lure out or secure a better standing with the Nayan gargantuans, you have the Caretaker tend to the Gargantuan - by not being accessible to you.
It could be done with sacrifice instead, although sacrifice doesn't seem all that flavorful for a non-black effect. Exile could be another choice but in general that would require the Caretaker effects to be really strong to warrant using your early drops as cannon fodder for a bigger and splashier one.
Next is kinda in tow with the above;
Goes on big creatures with Naya's signature power 5+ template.
Whenever a creature with power less than 5 enters the battlefield,
Effect could be fight (the Gargantuan fights), gain keywords like Trample, Lifelink, bonus P/T, First Strike, +1/+1 counters.
You could link the mechanics directly to each other to lower the power level but it would also lose all out-of-block relevance by replacing the "creature with power less..." with "creature with Caretaker".
The Caretaker cost to bounce back to utilize would also fuel the Gargantuan effect by effectively giving you a small creature to cast again.
Flavor: When you first summon the gargantuan, you would likely want to use a Caretaker to ease the cost or grant the gargantuan some additional benefit. That symbolizes that the Caretaker is no longer accessible for you until you conjure it again. However the Gargantuan has been summoned and bringing the Caretaker afterwards makes sure the Gargantuan is tended to.
I may not be able to describe it properly here but I think you get what I'm trying to say.
Let a specific mechanic take a back seat and let Beast tribal be the Naya theme.
Naya is already made up of big powerful beasts. A tribal theme would allow more varied creatures and not just the gargantuans. Reprint Contested Cliffs and make a non-keyword mechanic that interacts with creatures that matches to a majority of the beasts.
Possibly make an enchantment version of Herald's Horn something like
When ___ enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type costs less to cast.
Whenever you cast a creature spell of the chosen type, you may look at the top 3 cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card of the chosen type and ...
either the effect is to put it into your hand or to put it on top of your library and the rest on the bottom. Either let it filter into gas or grant conditional card advantage.
Possibly it could be a modal version with exaggerated effects and maybe cost .
When ___ enters the battlefield choose a creature type and choose Lush or Hunt.
Lush - Creature spells of the chosen type costs 2 less mana of any combination of , and/or .
Hunt - Whenever you cast a creature spell of the chosen type, you may look at the top 7 cards of your library. You may reveal a creature of the chosen type and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library.
While it's more tempting to straight up make Beast synergistic cards, I think it would be better if you try to set it up with a choice where possible. It puts a strain on the flexibility of the mana costs of these cards, as low mana intense cards will likely bleed over into other color shards. That's not inherently a problem but it does make Naya as a stand alone shard weaker, because it may function better as a support for something else. In the lore Naya was said to be rich in mana, food and life. That would actually make a lot of sense if it was something the other shards wanted to get in on and exploit.
There absolutely should be Beast synergistic cards also but again when possible open up the possibilities.
If there are a few Naya centric cards that specifically says Beasts as the synergy, it leads newer players to perceive that as the best way to utilize the Naya mechanics. It may also teach them through more skilled players, that even though there is a pretty obvious choice, that choice may not be the best option. Going with the aforementioned enchantment, it may be way better to use that enchantment with a completely different tribe, like Elf.
We do need a something like
Look at the top 5 cards of your library. You may reveal a land card from among them and put it into your hand. If you control a Beast you may put it onto the battlefield instead. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
PS I really hate the text formatting of TappedOut. It is so limiting and doesn't allow to make proper format that eases the reading, separation of texts.
7 months ago
Fauna Shaman Hydra Broodmaster Flametongue Kavu Skyshroud Poacher Tireless Tracker Scavenging Ooze Manglehorn Harbinger of the Hunt Wolfbriar Elemental Huntmaster of the Fells Flip Yisan, the Wanderer Bard Gruul Spellbreaker Budoka Gardener Scryb Ranger Ulvenwald Tracker Quirion Ranger Ruric Thar, the Unbowed Buried Ruin Gruul Turf Kazandu Refuge Rugged Highlands Mountain Valley 2x Mountain 2x Forest
Dualcaster Mage Llanowar Empath Genesis Hydra Yeva, Nature's Herald Decimator of the Provinces Siege Behemoth Magus of the Library Brutalizer Exarch Duplicant Greenwarden of Murasa Loaming Shaman Golden Guardian Flip Burnished Hart Wood Elves Gaea's Herald Frontier Guide Diligent Farmhand Contested Cliffs Endless Sands Ghost Quarter Mystifying Maze Fungal Reaches Sheltered Thicket Raging Ravine Game Trail Memorial to Unity
My first update is focused on fine-tuning the deck a bit and getting rid of some of the obvious misfits with some needed staples and just new cards I thought would work. I decided to go all-in on the quick beatdown plan, so I added in some low-curve mana producers like Wood Elves, Magus of the Library, Frontier Guide, and Burnished Hart along with some heavy beaters and game-enders like Decimator of the Provinces and Siege Behemoth. I also added a bit more tutoring power with cards like Genesis Hydra and Brutalizer Exarch. I removed a bit of the Elf tribal suite because while it may be good in the early game, it won’t matter much if you get something like Skyshroud Poacher later in the game. I added Yeva, Nature’s Herald because having flash is crucial for a deck like this to really succeed—surprise allows you to dodge removal and play conservatively instead of walking into spot removal and board wipes. Speaking of flash, I can’t believe I didn’t consider Dualcaster Mage before—you may not be able to cast your own instants and sorceries, but Nikya doesn’t say anything about not letting you take other people’s! Golden Guardian I think is an excellent card in this deck—not only does it die easily to most of your powerful creatures, including your commander, but it transforms instantly into a land to boost your mana AND that pumps out Golems every turn with the extra mana you have left over. Finally, I also beefed up the land suite a bit to include some more utility lands—one thing I’ve realized is that the lands in this deck will have to carry some of the extra weight of you not playing spells. Contested Cliffs gives you access to extra removal, as many of this deck’s most powerful creatures are Beasts. Fungal Reaches lets you store extra Nikya mana for a big burst later on. Endless Sands is more insurance against removal and board wipes. And Mystifying Maze provides the deck with some much-needed defensive capability, once again helped by all that extra mana.
Something I’m struggling with is how much to focus on my beatdown plan versus an anti-control or combo plan. As it stands, this deck is well tuned for the beats but is weak against non-interactive strategies like storm or blink decks. Cards like Ruric Thar, Immolation Shaman, and Harsh Mentor would definitely put a crimp in their plans and stop them from going off, but they don’t really help toward Nikya’s goals much. Other cards like Runic Armasaur that are designed for the long game don’t seem at home in this specific version of the deck—I could see an alternate build though designed more with control in mind than beatdown. You’ll notice I’ve added a large Maybeboard of cards I want to include, but just can’t find space for.
8 months ago
Ok--So here are a couple suggestions on lands--staples--if you will, that I include with this style deck/commander etc that I mentioned briefly above.
Fetchlands are great with Omnath and all of your creatures with Landfall like Avenger of Zendikar More the merrier. Some of the fetches have been reprinted, some haven't. So depending on the one you want, there could be a wide range in price. There are Budget equivalents like Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse and Mountain Valley there's a couple others too. These traditionally aren't as good because they only get Basic lands and they come into play tapped. However, they get the job done on Landfall triggers should you need an option while you're waiting to upgrade to that Wooded Foothills this one, luckily, has been reprinted in Khans block I believe. It wouldn't be a bad idea to look at a few others while we were at it though. Windswept Heath might be good Blighted Woodland and Naya Panorama better or cheaper options for sure.
Color Balance: Nothing sucks more than drawing a bunch of one color mana--so lets even it out some with lands that tap for either color.
Rootbound Crag , Stomping Ground , Reflecting Pool , Command Tower , Raging Ravine Utility Lands: Maximize your land. Make it work for you.
Kessig Wolf Run , Rogue's Passage , Thespian's Stage , Miren, the Moaning Well , Temple of the False God , Skarrg, the Rage Pits
There are others--Tribal specific that are good-- Contested Cliffs for example would be good if you had more beasts or Primal Beyond if you had more Elementals.
Now-- I had thought about it some more since I commented earlier today and I have a few more suggestions. I'm just going to suggest the cards, I won't offer cuts at this time, because I'm not looking to change your deck completely, just give you some thoughts if you were wanting to tap into your Commander more or just be cool fun R/G beats deck etc. I'll leave that up to you. Happy to help in any way though.
Synergy: There are a few other cards that would work well with Omnath and I'll list here.
Solemn Simulacrum The Lonely Robot draws a card and gets you a land = Landfall trigger/ramp.
Scapeshift Cast this when you have Omnath and it could be awesome. Cast it with Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle in play, and thats a lot of damage. Prismatic Omen Doesn't care what land you get--just saying.
Craterhoof Behemoth takes all those shiney new Elementals and/or Plant tokens from Avenger of Zendikar and makes them Big stompy.
Warstorm Surge I'll just leave this here.
Skyshroud Claim Yeah, in play.
About this one particular card:
Burst Lightning Ok, I do think you should probably swap this card with something that straight kills something gives you a little more versatility. Perhaps something like Atarka's Command or Decimate or Skullcrack or Beast Within or Banefire
Other EDH Staples and Protection:
Chord of Calling
Some other cards to save towards I guess.
I hope this helps. I rambled.
8 months ago
11 months ago
Big smashy Naya decks can be a ton of fun! It kinda depends on what direction you want to take the deck, but if you're looking at the classic 'power 5 or greater matters' theme, here are some suggestions:
Remove: Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip: This deck focuses more on casting big creatures, so the likelihood of flipping Chandra is very low. Firemane Angel: Very expensive for her effects. Better creatures and lifegain can be found. Gigantosaurus: Hilarious card, but the 5 green will be super hard to get in a three color deck. Legion Loyalist, Legion Warboss, and Ajani's Welcome: These cards are all geared towards a 'go-wide' playstyle that encourages lots of small creatures. That's not how Naya usually plays, and most of the rest of your deck isn't set up to support them. Light of the Legion, Swiftblade Vindicator, Dawn of Hope, Path of Discovery, Prodigious Growth, Urban Utopia, Bounty of Might, Flower / Flourish, Boros Keyrune, and Selesnya Cluestone: These are all cards that either don't mesh great with the rest of the deck, or are decent, but have cards that can usually do the same thing better.
Big Boyz: Meglonoth: Great power for 6 mana, and can really pump out damage both attacking and blocking each time around the table! Mycoid Shepherd: Pretty decent source of lifegain. Paleoloth: Graveyard recursion. Spearbreaker Behemoth: Gives your important stuff indestructibility! Spellbreaker Behemoth: Can absolutely wreck blue control. Woolly Thoctar: 5/4 for 3. Nuff said. Bull Cerodon: Really solid creature to keep bashing your opponent's with. Godsire: Can be hard to play, but will generate an insane amount of value if it stays in play. Stalking Vengeance: When your stuff dies, so do your opponents! Victory's Herald: massive boost to your field, especially with lifegain.
Mana Ramp: Gruul Signet and Selesnya Signet: Some of the best ramp for three color decks. Drumhunter, Exuberant Firestoker, Sacellum Godspeaker, and Sunseed Nurturer: Can be okay as ramp, while also synergizing with your theme. Mul Daya Channelers: can be either a 5/5, or help you ramp into one. Somberwald Sage, Beastcaller Savant, Birds of Paradise, Channeler Initiate, Chromatic Lantern, Commander's Sphere, Draconic Disciple, Llanowar Elves, Atzocan Seer, and Drover of the Mighty: All permanents with useful ramp abilities, some of which even have a few other potential synergies. Traverse the Ulvenwald, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Yavimaya Elder, Harrow, Journey of Discovery, Gift of Estates, Cultivate, Caravan Vigil, and Collective Voyage: Cards with varying effects that let you search up lands from your library.
Utility: Asceticism: Lots of protection for your board. Anger and Fires of Yavimaya: gives all of your creatures haste. Signal the Clans: Great tutor card for creature based decks. Loxodon Warhammer and Behemoth Sledge: Trample and lifegain on a stick. Domri Rade: Card draw, repeatable fighting, and a crazy ult. Deafening Clarion, Austere Command, Earthquake, Mizzium Mortars, Comet Storm, and Savage Twister: All have the potential to be near one-sided boardwipes.
Lands: Ancient Ziggurat: With a focus on creatures, this card is usually really useful. Command Tower: Should be in every commander deck. Naya Panorama and Jungle Shrine Kessig Wolf Run: Extra damage and trample. Contested Cliffs: Repeatable fighting for your beasts.
There are probably more suggestions I could make, and certainly not all of these cards need to go in. Just some different ideas for you to consider!
1 year ago
Don't mean to be a downer, but I believe Contested Cliffs is illegal in a mono-red deck.
Contested Cliffs occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%