Plumb the Forbidden
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Plumb the Forbidden

Instant

As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice one or more creatures. When you do, copy this spell for each creature sacrificed this way.

You draw a card and you lose 1 life.

Crow-Umbra on

3 days ago

Have you had a chance to play the deck irl, or play-test it much? 28 lands and 19 creatures seem kinda low, even with all the mana rocks. If it works well for you, then no worries. In regards to draw options for Isshin, I'd recommend some of the following:

  • Skullclamp is great, especially with any 1/1 tokens you may produce.

  • Plumb the Forbidden is a personal favorite, especially in response to board wipes or creature theft. This is one of my favorite draw spells in my Isshin deck, especially with a board of tokens.

  • Braids, Arisen Nightmare can force opponents into tough spots, depending on what you sacrifice. The fact that Braids is a "may" ability allows for scaling as needed.

  • Tocasia's Welcome & Idol of Oblivion are options for more (creature) token focused builds.

  • Breena, the Demagogue & Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant are both fun and interactive options. Breena especially can add a fun political wrinkle to games, as opponents may let her stick around until its too late.

  • Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor is another "political" draw engine that incentivizes attacks around the board.

  • Professional Face-Breaker & Tymna the Weaver are both options that reward you for going wide and connecting. I like Face-Breaker just a little more since she has built-in evasion.

  • Deadly Dispute and Painful Truths are additional options.

  • Lastly, Scapegoat, Dolmen Gate, and Reconnaissance are additional mana efficient board protection effects. I can't recommend Reconnaissance enough, as it acts as a pseudo-Vigilance anthem, and can remove your creatures from combat after they've already dealt damage. A bit more of an explanation here.

I hope these suggestions are helpful. Best of luck in your brewing and playing.

Dickpuncher on Isshin Aristocrats

3 days ago

Crow-Umbra Oh hey this is so cool. I looked at your Moshpit deck list on moxfield while putting this list together! Thanks for the suggestions!

I originally had a few of these in there, I will put them in the maybeboard. Scapegoat and Plumb the Forbidden look great, I will try them out for sure.

I don’t lean toward stax style decks so that’s why I’m not playing Dictate of Erebos or other similar cards.

Thanks again for the suggestions, I’m just playing around with it now, so I’m sure there will be updates.

Crow-Umbra on Isshin Aristocrats

3 days ago

Very cool to see an Aristocrats focused Isshin deck! I don't think I've seen one with this focus yet, so kudos to you. I have a few suggestions that I've used in my Isshin deck, but I think could work even better with an Aristocrats focus:

Stuff I've used in older Aristocrats/Reanimator:

I haven't played Brazen Cannonade yet, but it's something I've had on my radar for my Isshin deck. I think it could fill both modes of Aggro and Aristocrats play you might be aiming for.

Anyways, you have a cool twist that I'm happy to see. I hope it works well for you.

Crow-Umbra on Isshin, Two Heavens as One

5 days ago

Solid looking deck! Have you had a chance to play it irl yet? In looking at your deck, I have a few suggestions:

  • Thundering Raiju might not be the best fit, mostly since you don't have many other means of making your creatures Modified with either +1/+1 counters or equipment. I'd suggest checking out Tectonic Giant as a potential swap. It's a little slower since it lacks Haste, but has some useful modes, one of which deals damage to each opponents.

  • Speaking of Haste, I'd suggest getting in some more Haste anthems, especially you have some higher CMC creatures which would otherwise be sitting ducks. I'm currently running Fervor, Ogre Battledriver, and Urabrask the Hidden in my Isshin deck. I like that Battledriver and Urabrask have some additional bonuses.

  • If you need more draw, I think Breena, the Demagogue could do a lot of work, and could be a potentially better fit than Phyrexian Dragon Engine  Meld. I know Dragon Engine has the cool factor of melding with Mishra, but Breena can draw a ton of cards, especially since opponents are less likely to remove it due to benefitting from it. It definitely makes games more dynamic with the added political layer. She can also be a source of counters if you decide to keep Thundering Raiju.

  • Plumb the Forbidden is another great draw spell, especially if you make creature tokens or want to have gas in response to a board wipe. Painful Truths is another solid option, and Gruesome Realization has some decent modal options.

I hope these suggestions are helpful. Best of luck with Isshin, I hope you have fun piloting him! He's my favorite commander of the past year, hands down.

Crow-Umbra on Assaulting Horde

1 week ago

Happy to see another Isshin deck around. Have you had a chance to play the deck much irl? I have a few suggestions if you're open to them:

Breena and Karazikar are both gas for Isshin lists. They can make games much more political since opponents cam benefit, but you should benefit more. Opponents may be less likely to remove them right away due to that dynamic.

My Isshin deck is more token Swarm focused, but Plumb the Forbidden is a great response to boardwipes, since your creatures would die anyways.

Hope the suggestions are helpful. I'd be down to chat if you would like any more feedback.

Crow-Umbra on Isshin edh

2 weeks ago

Nice deck! You have a really solid creature core. If you are considering any swaps, the following are some cards I've had fun with in my Isshin deck:

Hope these suggestions are helpful. Best of luck & hope you have fun with Isshin.

Crow-Umbra on fart tribal

3 weeks ago

A volley of fart, or potentially fart adjacent puns I could think of:

Crow-Umbra on

3 weeks ago

Lastly, if you go to my Moxfield version of the deck, I do have deck tags enabled. If you select that option, then scroll to the Considering List, I have most of the cards listed also sorted by tag. I have lots of other draw options tagged down there if you want to peruse to see what might be a closer fit to your play-style.

Plumb the Forbidden is gas for me. As I've said before, I usually save it when my stuff is going to die anyways. Even if it's not utilized in response to a board wipe, it's super useful to sacrifice creature tokens when able. Preserving your non-token creatures matters more than what is essentially cannon fodder.

My greatest achievement with Plumb the Forbidden was using it in response to Living Death. Because of stack sequencing, all my creatures were sacrificed to Plumb the Forbidden first, and were then in my graveyard to be returned with Living Death. It's a niche case, but it felt incredible.

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