Plumb the Forbidden

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Plumb the Forbidden

Instant

As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice one or more creatures. When you do, copy this spell for each creature sacrificed this way.

You draw a card and you lose 1 life.

multimedia on Nethroi. More mill support?

1 week ago

Self-mill yes, opponent mill no. You'll want plenty of self-mill to fuel Nethroi along with lots of ramp since Nethroi is 7 mana to mutate.

Fauna Shaman, Buried Alive, Jarad's Orders, Unmarked Grave, Vile Entomber are helpful especially if playing dredge creatures. Shigeki, Jukai Visionary is nice for self-mill + ramp + recursion.

Culling Ritual is a powerful card in multiplayer Commander that also provides ramp for Nethroi. Songs of the Damned goes well with self-mill + lots of creatures for ramp especially since Nethroi has 6 black mana in it's mutate cost.

Body Launderer and Karmic Guide are two good creatures with self-mill and they combo with a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer for infinite scry/loot. Activated Sleeper is an underrated 0/0 creature who also combos with Karmic. Braids, Arisen Nightmare is powerful draw in multiplayer Commander when sacing your own creatures helps you.

Plumb the Forbidden is mass sac for mass draw. Vivien, Champion of the Wilds, Emergence Zone, Savage Summoning lets you mutate at instant speed on an opponent's turn.

Last_Laugh on Edgar Markov's Eminence of the Blood

2 weeks ago

Try Plumb the Forbidden (probably in Read the Bones slot). The instant speed and pseudo dodging counterspells makes this card. You'll typically do it in response to a boardwipe to refill your grip to redeploy.

Housegheist on Sheoldred spell-Slinger

2 weeks ago

Plumb the Forbidden seems to fit perfectly.

Phyrexian Arena, Black Market Connections, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools?

Cunning Rhetoric could provide some valuable protection. Bolas's Citadel to play spell from top?

Leonantti on Call of Souls

2 weeks ago

KibaAlpha Thanks for your comment! I admit, I did misremember (and then misread again) Black Market Connections . In my head I was comparing it to Phyrexian Arena and remembering that it had a different timing when the effect triggers (Connections' trigger happens in beginning of precombat main phase and Arena's happens in the upkeep but all in all I think the timing is pretty much similar in most cases in the end that would matter to the player). Connections is Arena on steroids though and I would play it over the Arena.

Reason why I am not replacing Black Market Connections with Smothering Tithe is because I like the options Connections give me and the ability to choose what triggers I want, and with Connections I don't have to rely on what opponents might choose to do: if opponents are not drawing much cards or have enough mana to keep paying for the 2, it does nothing to me, and in my experience Thalisse relies on keeping turning out tokens that start to add up eventually. Black Market Connections ALWAYS does something to me if I choose so AND it does not just give me manaramp in exchange for life but card draw and extra creature token as well (the Treasure token and creature token then generate even more creature tokens with Thalisse!). All in all, Smothering Tithe might give a bigger payout in some situations but I like more Black Market Connections reliability to work as I want and flexibility to choose what I want. The only thing that I am worried with playing with Connections is that I might get greedy and end up spending too much life at wrong time and it comes back to bite me in the butt, but with all the pingers that make opponents lose life and me gain life I feel confident that it will get evened out and/or I will come on top with life total situation.

Body Count and Plumb the Forbidden could be fun inclusions, I can see situations where they could be really strong and draw me so many cards! Out of the two to play I think I would consider Plump the Forbidden since it could work as a additional sac engine and it does allow me to choose how many creatures I wanna sack (flexibility ftw!). I could add the card to the deck if I am able to figure out what to take away from the deck to add room for the card.

KibaAlpha on Call of Souls

3 weeks ago

Nice build.

May I suggest you remove Black Market Connections and replace it with Smothering Tithe. If you misread it as I did, note that Black Market Connections triggers at the beginning of your "Precombat Main Phase" so unless you flash it in on the end step prior to your turn you won't be able to get value from it until your next turn and in a 4 player game the odds of it surviving a full rotation of the table is unlikely.

Maybe consider Body Count and Plumb the Forbidden for card draw.

Last_Laugh on A Trip To Transylvania

3 weeks ago

This is a nice start, but I feel like 2 VERY important categories are underrepresented here. Card draw and board protection.

Card Draw: Plumb the Forbidden is amazing here thanks to being an instant. Twilight Prophet, Welcoming Vampire, Skullclamp, Dark Prophecy (lots of lifegain needed for this one), Smuggler's Share, and Necropotence are all excellent options here.

Board Protection: Teferi's Protection, Flawless Maneuver, Boros Charm, And They Shall Know No Fear, and a little hidden gem known as Scapegoat. Scapegoat also doubles as a finisher with Purphoros out.

Finishers: Purphoros, God of the Forge will dome each opponent for 4 whenever you cast a vamp. Reconnaissance feels like cheating and allows you to be hyper aggressive safely. 2nd post below dedicated entirely to this card... which is just Copied/Pasted from my deck description.

Feel free to check out my list for more ideas. It's one of the top rated Edgar lists on this site and has a buttload of posts to sift through for more insight and inspiration. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Edgar's Dega Vampires

amarthaler on EDH Vampiric Bloodlust (C17 Precon Upgrade)

4 weeks ago

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Last_Laugh.

I'll definitely consider Scapegoat and Plumb the Forbidden. However, I'd like to keep this deck in the upgraded pre-con power level, where it is focused but not optimized. Our playgroup is very casual.

Last_Laugh on Edgar Vamparade

4 weeks ago

Purphoros, God of the Forge domes each opponent for 4 every time you cast a vamp. Scapegoat pseudo dodges exile, -X-X, etc. type boardwipes and it doubles as a finisher with Purphoros out. Plumb the Forbidden is another excellent option for card draw so you don't get caught with your pants down after a boardwipe.

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Edgar's Dega Vampires

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