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When Manglehorn enters the battlefield, you may destroy target artifact.
Artifacts your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
4 days ago
I'm beginning to think that Manglehorn deserves a place in most green creature decks.
2 weeks ago
Alright, the single most glaring issue here is that you're running Razaketh but you don't have a Razaketh package to win. Normally in competitive decks, Razaketh is used to instantly assemble a combo to win after coming into play, off of the neat tools Life and Lion's Eye Diamond . While its a fantastic combo, LED is some serious $$$, and Razaketh is going to enter and potato for you here. I'd cut it
Second, you're suffering from trying to run too many things. There's simply no reason to have Ghave + Raza + Hulk + saffi/titan + kiki combo. Blood Pod is primarily a stax deck, so its much better to hit your stride on controlling the table than try to race the other (faster) combo decks. It will also free up a lot of slots. You should slim it down to just kiki combo, and up stax pieces. Look at Root Maze and other cards that come down on turn 1/2 and will slow extremely fast decks. Manglehorn is 3 CMC but its stax stapled to removal so its extremely worth considering. You also need to up your hatebear count, because currently you aren't really slowing the combo decks like you need to, just disrupting their mana. Look at Leonin Arbiter Eidolon of Rhetoric Spirit of the Labyrinth Glowrider and ofc both Thalias.
Third, anything over 3 CMC you should cast a real critical eye towards. You're trying to hit the board fast and strangle other players out before they get a strong board presence. Having expensive CMC cards is a double whammy, you aren't playing them early, and if it was different card you COULD be playing that card instead. I'm really looking at Doubling Season Ghoulcaller Ghisa Chainer, Nightmare Adept
Next, cut out utility dorks you don't need. Goodbye Soul Warden Magus of the Wheel Loyal Retainers . If you want life run Serra Ascendant instead. You shouldn't be trying to refill your opponents hands while you're staxing them out with Magus (plus its costing you 5 mana you COULD be doing something else). Loyal Retainers is slow and a meme outside combos, run Life in its place if you are looking for more resurrection effects.
TL;DR pull out expensive beater shiz and add more stax! This is a stax deck!
3 weeks ago
Hey! Thought I would check out your deck since you looked at mine. One thing I noticed that seems like a big issue with your deck is that it has 0 instant speed interaction. Even of you only add in 4 pieces of instant interaction, any player you play with regularly will start to assume you might be holding something to stop them from winning. My suggestions would be Swords to Plowshares , Path to Exile , Nature's Claim , and Natural State . With these you can get rid of most permanent types and either stop your opponent from going off or use only 1 extra mana to get rid of something that is stopping you from going off. I would also suggest a few more creature based artifact/enchant removal because you can recur them and gy hate shuts down a hulkweaver plan real quick if they have no removal. I like Qasali Pridemage and Caustic Caterpillar for cheap things on board and Manglehorn as a hybrid removal/artifact hate piece.
1 month ago
I think I just found the perfect Meren deck ❤️
But I gotta make it a bit more budget (tough student's life). So please let me know what you think of my changes:
First of all, the Razaketh combo comes out. Just taking your advice and putting in a few more lands:
- Razaketh, the Foulblooded --> Prismatic Vista
- Lion's Eye Diamond --> Strip Mine
- Eternal Witness --> Volrath's Stronghold
Other changes/budget cuts:
- Imperial Seal --> Tangle Wire
- Gaea's Cradle --> Forest
- Mox Diamond --> Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Crop Rotation (loses a lot of utility with the Cradle gone) --> Wood Elves
- Compost (I think it underperforms outside Tier 1 cEDH) --> Necropotence
- Reclamation Sage --> Manglehorn (idk if the stax is worth not being able to hit enchantments)
1 month ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
2 months ago
So the main advantage of green is being able to land a dork on turn one, enabling a three-mana commander to hit the table turn two. You're already running Birds of Paradise , which is easily the best turn-one dork; you should definitely be running Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Arbor Elf and Elvish Mystic . One-mana ramp also includes Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth , which are especially good in conjunction with Arbor Elf . Finally, note that turn one Green Sun's Zenith for X = 0 fetches Dryad Arbor , if you choose to run the arbor with your GSZ. Joraga Treespeaker and Priest of Titania don't land your general turn two, but are powerful all the same.
If you choose to run more dorks, then go-wide green strategies are very much on the table as win-conditions. If you have Craterhoof Behemoth , landing it with a couple dorks is usually enough to kill an opponent or two outright. Including Natural Order means that you can get the 'hoof daddy out for four mana. Running God-Eternal Rhonas is similar, and is especially good if you fetch him with Finale of Devastation with X = 10 (it'll give all your dudes at lease 20 power). Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling are other good ways to tutor your fatties out fast. Finaly, Triumph of the Hordes is an excellent 'oops I win' card, as in EDH you still only need ten poison to die.
If you end up running a more 'go-wide' strategy than voltron, you can cut some or all of your equipments. This will allow you to run significant artifact hate. In EDH, almost all non-green decks rely heavily on artifact ramp for their mana, and running something like Collector Ouphe can be lights-out for a lot of opponents. More generally, hatebears and stax-pieces are abundant in EDH; consider Prowling Serpopard , Manglehorn , Root Maze , Hall of Gemstone , Dosan the Falling Leaf , Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and friends as methods of hating out various decks. If you run dorks, Winter Orb is virtually asymmetric. Similarly, color-dependent cards like Carpet of Flowers or Compost can also be powerhouses. Veil of Summer or the worse Autumn's Veil are all also pretty good for fighting counters.
Land-wise, I think Ancient Tomb is much better than Temple of the False God , and that Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is definitely worth including. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is also kinda bonkers; pairing it with Deserted Temple is good.
There're some creatures you should consider. Eternal Witness , as a creature-based Regrowth , is awesome if something you need gets countered. Beast Whisperer , Soul of the Harvest , Regal Force and Tireless Tracker are good sources of card-advantage. Fierce Empath is good for tutoring up threats, and will make your deck more consistent. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is both a semi-reliable source of card-draw and also can close to double Omnath, Locus of Mana 's power. Wirewood Symbiote can recur ETB triggers, like Reclamation Sage or Elvish Visionary , while also generating mana.
Speaking of consistency, Worldly Tutor and Sylvan Tutor are great to finding whatever creature you need. Rishkar's Expertise and Genesis Wave are great sources of card-advantage, and that's pretty much like tutoring if you have enough of it.
Finally, you may have good luck with two-mana land-ramp (like your Rampant Growth ) rather than four-mana land-ramp (like your Peregrination ). Nature's Lore or the Portal version, Three Visits , are both great.
Good luck! That's all I got. I'm not good at playing green, but hopefully you found something worth including above.
2 months ago
Firstly, I feel I should mention that you can't play Kitchen Finks or Murderous Redcap in Yarok, as their commander identities are outside your colors. I know they're in the Maybeboard, but I thought you should know.
So the main bonus of playing green is the access to mana dorks. I think you should definitely run Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise and Elves of Deep Shadow , and Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Deathrite Shaman , Priest of Titania and/or Bloom Tender are all excellent cards as well. They also work with your Craterhoof Behemoth , which (by the way) I think is a great win con for you, especially with your Natural Order . Consider God-Eternal Rhonas as a secondary Craterhoof. Land-ramp like Nature's Lore or Farseek is also good.
In the same vein, lowering the average CMC of your deck is worth attempting. Lower CMCs mean a faster deck. Sol Ring is kinda a busted card.
You should consider tutor-cards. Demonic Tutor , Worldly Tutor and Mystical Tutor are all worth considering, as they can help assemble the combo really well. Similarly, card-draw is at a premium at EDH. Wirewood Symbiote is a great way to return Elvish Visionary or Masked Admirers while potentially making mana, if you choose to run dorks. Because you're running so many creatures, Slate of Ancestry may be a good artifact to include. Tireless Tracker is an excellent card for a landfall-Yarok deck.
I think you're running too many lands, even for a landfall deck. I suggest cutting two to five. If you choose to, keep in mind that lands that have the ability to ETB untapped are significantly better; make sure you cut Foul Orchard before you cut Woodland Cemetery . Fetch lands are great for making sure you have the colors you need; Prismatic Vista and the Zendikar/Onslaught fetches are the gold standard, though they're definitely hard to get ahold of. Slow fetches like Bad River or Flood Plain are good and much cheaper, though they're significantly slower (hence the name).
Xerox cards like Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are all good in blue decks. They'll dig you to the lands you need or get you past the lands you don't need. Brainstorm is mediocre if you don't have shuffle effects to get rid of the cards you don't want.
Some ETB-cards to consider:
Manglehorn : Yarok makes him into a 2-for-1, and the second clause is very significant in many games.
Temur Sabertooth : This is a good way to return creatures to your hand, both to protect them and to recur their ETB abilities.
Eternal Witness : Being able to recur any two cards from your 'yard is pretty good, especially if you choose to run the aforementioned tutors or land-ramp.
Baleful Strix and Ice-Fang Coatl : Two-mana draw-twos are great, and these can hold off early attackers. Baleful Strix is better, mostly because you don't have to have snow-basics to get Ice-Fang Coatl deathtouch.
Birthing Pod : This can tutor the creature you need and put it right onto the board. You just have to be careful you keep your creature-curve smooth enough for it to keep fetching.
Sire of Stagnation : Six mana, and it gets double triggers with Yarok.
Plague Engineer and Phyrexian Revoker : This might need a rules check, but I'm pretty sure Yarok lets you name twice. Naming the same creature type should give them all -2/-2 -- using this as removal seems pretty reasonable, and turning off two cards seems pretty good too.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck, man!
2 months ago
Hi, I hope that at least some of what i'm going to put here will be useful, and even if you don't use any of my advice then maybe you will be able to see where I am coming from and use the logic to find your own improvements :)
As the previous commenter has suggested the amount of ramp spells that put lands in to play in your deck is a bit to low for a ramp deck especially one that has subthemes of landfall. Typical commander deck building suggestions say that you should have 10 pieces of ramp to tide you into the midgame. This goes for any deck, not just ramp decks. In ramp decks you will want more. At my count you have 12 ramp cards that are reusable (ie, aren't the one shot sacrifice elemntals) this will want to be more really, with a focus on them being ones that put lands in to play. Another of note, is that cards like Zendikar Resurgent don't really count as a ramp slot, as by the time we can cast it, we have a lot of mana already. 'Ramp' cards are ones that you want to see in your opening hand to get you into your game plan faster.
For this reason I would look into replacing some of the creature based ramp and some other low impact cards with this ramp that will get us executing our main game plan faster and better.
These can all be easily replaced with land based ramp spells as they don't get you any further ahead on mana than 1 land, or are one shot abilities when we want to be dropping big things multiple times over multiple turns.
Smokebraider Is unique because it produces 2 mana for only 2 investment, but only if we focus in on elemtals so can be left on a short list to be evaluated. We'll list other potential cuts later when looking at more over all deck evaluation.
The previous commentor has provided a list which at first glance seems to be comprehensive enough to provide some ideas for what to add.
More conventional commander wisdom suggests that you have at least 5 ways to directly interact with your opponents game plan. I personally nearly always play more than this, but you should have at least 5. This direct interaction is preferred to be the targetted simgle response cards that can remove threats in any shape or form. Of note, this removal count is seperate from the count of mass removal. At my count you have Song of the Dryads , the down tick of Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Ingot Chewer as easily accessable removal. Things like the trigger from your commander or things like Magmatic Force are more incedental as you can't rely on them doing what you want when you need it.
Cards that could be added in this slot are many. But it is a good idea to have as many as you can being generic answers to anything, but also you need to make sure that they are ones you can realistically weave into your game plan instead of leaving up those answers at all times. This is mostly a balncing act that is where fine tuning comes in from playing the deck. But potential recommendations for all purpose would be Beast Within and Chaos Warp . After that they become more specific but can be cheaper in mana,
- Nature's Claim
- Domri's Ambush
- Force of Vigor
- Krosan Grip
- Hull Breach
- Broken Bond
- Reclamation Sage
This may seem counterintuitive, seen as you are planning on being the big creature deck that wants the board presence. But sometimes the opponents boards just need answering (Not to mention that you might end up getting a lot of elemental death triggers from Omnath). As such having 2 or 3 creature wraths might be worth trying. And having 2 or 3 artifact and enchantment wraths will be good to have access to aswell. Something you already have so I assume you already know.
Creature wraths to consider in green red include
- Blasphemous Act
- Chandra's Ignition
- Chain Reaction
- Savage Twister - This one is representative of X cost ones that are interesting to try as it gives you the oppertunity of clearing out small creatures while keeping yours alive if you would prefer. Another one that can also be used to finish of players is Rolling Earthquake
You already have the cards for mass removing artifacts and enchantments so I won't bother listing any more.
One of the most common recommendations I have to make to people about their deck is to up the amount of card draw or selection in their decks. There is no point in having sweet cards and synergies in here if we never get to see them! Normally I recommend having 10 ways of drawing cards in your deck, with some of them being repeating and some being one shot. At my count you currently have 7 (Or 8 if you count Praetor's Counsel which can do effectively a similar job), so you are nearly there but I would recommend adding a couple mr just to smooth out the deck running.
- Harmonize is the most obvious recommendation withit being notorious for its colour pie break with not haveing a restriction based on creatures or similar.
- Horn of Greed is universal, but we should be getting more value from it.
- Greater Good is amazing if you keep having big creatures to sacrifice. Thankfully due to our commander triggers, we do!
- Chandra, Flamecaller can cover multiple bases of what we need, it can be counted as both a wrath AND a card draw engine :) IT also even makes elementals (of note, they get exiled at end step instead of dieing so you won't normally get Omnath triggers. Sacrificing them to Greater Good though....... )
- Rishkar's Expertise can be great card draw as you don't need to take a full turn off to refuel, you still get to cast something that costs less, which could be that removal spell or something you needed!
These overview sections are recommendations for generic cards that could go in. From here on, we will be looking at more specific card options, and possible cuts from the existing deck
Now, again as the previous commentor mentioned, there are multiple ways you can take an Omnath deck. My take on them being
- RG Big thing Ramp. No specific synergies in mind except for incidental ones like, I need land to cast my big spells, and this card cards about land. Not a bad deck by any means, just less commander or theme focused.
- Elemental Tribal Ramp. This seems to be closer to what you are currently going for. Similar to the RG ramp deck, just with tribal synergies from elementals
- Landfall / Lands Matter. Here we are focusing on many landfall triggers, and keep cycling our lands round and round to get them. This deck will likke having access to things like Crucible of Worlds and many effects like Exploration
Here, i will suggest some cards for each of them and maybe later on if you want we could look more into one or a mix of these strategies.
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed This card is very very powerful. Expecially as the decks around you get more and more powerful and wanting to do more combo and storm bsaed strategies.
- Gruul Ragebeast A good way of keeping the board under control when you play your 'large and incharge' creatures
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger We have mana, they don't. Enough said really. Just beware that with this creature, sometines the adage If you can't remove the problem, remove the player can be applied to just killing you.
Other than ones recommended here, perhaps a good idea would be to use Gatherer or mtg.wtf to find elementals in your colour. Or cards which reference elementals in your colours, the example in wtf would be this
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flame can rebuy your ramp spells and can make elementals that will die to trigger Omnath.
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno A wrath that doesn't kill elementals and can provide a reasonable clock on the game with her uptick.
- Omnath, Locus of Mana Store mana for a rainy day. Or for hitting your opponents upside the head with it. Both work.
- Parallel Lives Double the tokens, double the elementals, double the damage. We like.
- Tornado Elemental clears out any things like Dragons, or Flying Slivers or similar. Also good at picking of planeswalkers as it has sudo unblockable.
- Liege of the Tangle we can go REALLY all in on making all our lands elementals and meaning that if someone wraths us we can basically kill everyone from Omnath triggers
- Budoka Gardener Ramp early game, big guys late game.
This deck idea might have elements that are closer to a combo deck than the others, but will still mostly be a midrange deck.
- Perilous Forays With your commander out this card is bonkers. But if we are making other elemental tokens too then we can truly get going somewhere
- Crucible of Worlds , Ramunap Excavator , Life from the Loam Allow you to play the lands from your graveyard after we have sacrificed them for effects. Also makes always hitting your lands drops easier if you are playing and sacrificing a fetch land
- Exploration , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya all ways to play more lands per turn
- Cavalier of Flame can be card draw and synergizes with lands in graveyard. As well as being an elemental!
- Scapeshift lots of triggers all at once
- Splendid Reclamation if we are sacrificing lands then this gets them all back. Very good after a scapeshift
- Amulet of Vigor makes some of our ramp a lot more effective, while at the same time providing a good combo with Perilous Forays and Omnath, Locus of Rage Of recommendation if you run a lot of land recursion effects then other lands that sacrifice themselves might be worth it. Like Wasteland Strip Mine etc
I won't re-list the cuts recommeneded in the ramp section. I will be evaluating cuts in the assumption that the deck is wanting to be a combination of an elementals ramp deck and a lands value deck. A lot of these recomendations for cuts will have very similar reasonings, which I will elaborate on first to be able to be brief later on. These recommendations will possibly sound rather brutal, however I find that it makes it a lot easier to have too many cards that are on the cutting block rather than not enough.
- Too Slow. If the card takes too many turns to start pulling its weight then it could be replaced with something that does what we need sooner. This is common in cards which have 'at the beginning of your upkeep' effects as they will normally have to wait an entire turn cycle to start doing something. Enters the battlefield triggers or similar things that have an effect the turn you play them are often preferred.
- Too expensive. This should be self explanatory. If the card costs too much mana, especially if the same effect can be achieved for less mana then it should be exmined.
- Doesn't do enough. While the effect might be interesting and maybe something we actually want in the deck, The card just doesn't pull its weight in whatever role it is supposed to be doing
- Doesn't contribute to our game plan This might be a good card, maybe even a great card in other decks. But perhaps the effect just isn't one we need in this deck
- Cytoplast Root-Kin Too slow. Doesn't contribute to our game plan.
- Dragonmaster Outcast Too slow. Doesn't do enough
- Grazing Gladehart Doesn't do enough. While we like landfall triggers. The life gain is small enough to be negligable unless we are massrecycling all lands from our yard multiple times.
- Magmatic Force Too Slow.
- Magmaw Doens't contribute to our game plan / Doesn't Do enough. We can run other sac outlets if we want ways to sacrifice our elementals
- Scute Mob Possibly too slow. But I love me a scute mob so I'm fine with this staying in :D
- Spawnwrithe Doesn't do enough. However this one can stay in if you have found that you realistically get to connect with it at least twice to have four of them
- Tendershoot Dryad Doesn't contribute to our game plan. Though it is very good at gummin gup the board
- Tyrant of Discord Doesn't do enough. However if you change to having some ways to knock your opponents off of lands then the chances of this hitting multiple nonlands go up and its value does too. However there are enough control players where the onlything this will do is destroy a land at random
- Undergrowth Champion Deosn't do enough. It's got all the right keywords but thats about it
- Retreat to Kazandu Doesn't do enough. THe landfall idea is good, but putting 1 counter an a guy once or so a turn isn't worth the slot really
- Sword of the Animist Too Slow. We want this effect, but we aren't attacking multiple times in one turn so there are better effects to get lands from our deck. We don't neccessarily even have than many small creatures to equip this too to get it active early enough for the ramp to be that useful as ramp
- Animist's Awakening As much as i want this spell to ever be good. It's just not really at all.
- Journey of Discovery Too slow. For this to be actual search out ramp you need to entwine it which is then 6 mana. Any of the 4 mana double basics would be better here. Or just Explore type effects that cantrip too.
Turns out there is only slightly too much Nissa. (And not enough Chandra ;) ) All of the Nissas' contribute to our gameplan well except for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . The general rule of Planeswalkers in commander is to assume that you will only get two activations if you are lucky. So with this one you will at best buff your team a little. Consider Garruk Wildspeaker instead maybe?
Other random Card Recommendations
- Boundless Realms All the rest of our lands from our deck? Yes please
- Sylvan Awakening We do this, then we overrun and nobody will be expecting it
- Genesis Wave As previously mentioned. It's the better Animist's Awakening
- The Mending of Dominaria More mass land recursion.
Well I hope some of this helped at least a little :)
Manglehorn occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.03%