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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Alchemy | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Arena | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Brawl | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Gladiator | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Historic | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Pioneer | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Pre-release | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Standard | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood
Land
As Turntimber, Serpentine Wood enters the battlefield, you may pay 3 life. If you don't it enters the battlefield tapped.
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JoosetheMuice
on
Janky Leviathans
11 months ago
After more reflection on the game and how quickly you ramp up, Stroke of Genius, Pull from Tomorrow and ofcourse Blue Sun's Zenith could help keep you from running out of steam. Turntimber, Serpentine Wood Flip could work well for you land base, and Apex Devastator could be a fun win-con.
Ammonzy on
Managorger Dragons
2 years ago
Awesome deck although I'd prefer to run more lands for my personal taste since making land drops are so crucial for decks with a high curve. I like running Crucible of Worlds in decks where I hate missing land drops so I can reuse fetchlands so that can be a thought. Would also allow you to play Shatterskull, the Hammer Pass Flip, Turntimber, Serpentine Wood Flip, Valakut Stoneforge Flip and Bala Ged Recovery Flip as lands after you cast them. Plus you can reuse Haven of the Spirit Dragon if you'd like.
Profet93 on
Xenagos, God of Revels that xtra combat is good
2 years ago
I have not updated my Xenagos since exactly a year ago, so some of these suggestions do not take into account cards that have been released since then such as Jeska(i?)s will and battle mammoth which should find their way into this deck. Now onto my specific suggestions....
Berserk - Yes, block Malignus with your 1/1, let's see how that turns out. Also to be used for politics as you can target an opponent's creature (such as their commander) who is attacking another opponent. This would be to replace Temur Battle rage IMO
Deflecting Swat - I'll say it once, I'll say it again. In Xenagos, your biggest issue is removal. You spend 5+ mana per beater in the hopes that they don't save removal. Most of your draw like hunters insight, return of the wildspeaker, momentous fall (although to a lesser extent) is based on the fact that you need a creature to target and if they remove your creature, you are shit out of luck. By adding swat, you can bluff while tapped out, protecting your creature allowing it to most likely survive to your next turn in order to cast one of the above mentioned draw spells. Moreover, this counters counterspells and redirects targeted removal, targeted draw, targeted extra turns, etc.... so much utility in 1 card. This is perhaps the second/third most powerful card in a Xenagos deck IMO
Heroic Intervention - Protection
Greater Good - THE MOST POWERFUL CARD IN ANY XENAGOS DECK. IF YOU DO NOT ADD THIS, THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO DISCUSS. THE SHEER VALUE OF THIS ALONE IS ASTRONOMICAL. Imagine casting a 6/6 beater, Xenagos doubles it to 12, they attempt to remove it, since it was going to die anyways, you sacrifice it to the "greater good" in order to draw 12 and discard 3. This doesn't include the fact that you can berserk your own creature prior to sacrificing it as well
Rancor - Nice to have, not necessary. Makes your 1/1 dorks 6 power with Xenagos, makes your beaters better. Hell, enchant it on an opponent's creature for politics
Sylvan Library - Nice to have, not necessary, but in Xenagos, it pays to have draw that isn't creature reliant.
Green Sun's Zenith - Tutor to the battlefield, yes please! While limited to green, it still is worth it. Getting what you need, when you need it.
Harmonize - Draw not based on creatures is nice to have
Life's Legacy - Similar to momentous fall, although easier to cast on the same turn as a beater. Do note that it suffers from the same issue as momentous fall, sacrificing as an additional cost to cast means be wary of the blue player. I like it, but some don't
Nissa's Pilgrimage - Ramp, more Turn 3 ramp enables a more consistent Turn 4 Xenagos. While we would love a Turn 3 Xenagos, the choice is between consistency or early on advantage, I choose consistency, but to each their own.
Skyshroud Claim - Gets 2 forests (note some cards are both forests and mountains) and brings them in untapped, so it helps with tempo, something Xenagos decks greatly lack. Would add this over nissa's pilgramage, although I like both if you can fit them
Ancient Tomb - Ramp
Blighted Woodland / Myriad Landscape - Ramp
Bonders' Enclave - Draw
Raging Ravine / Dread Statuary - Manlands are useful because you can target your draw spells on them if you don't have any other creatures
Cragcrown Pathway Flip - Forest or mountain, you decide!
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - Land when you need it, a potential creature when you don't. I like the flexibility for 3 life
Yavimaya Hollow - Most useful but most expensive, protecting your creature from removal is what this deck needs.
Elder Gargaroth - Will almost always be draw, but I love the utility
Inferno Titan - Removal
Kogla, the Titan Ape - Removal + Utility, although you only have 2 humans, Eternal Witness might be worth including, but thats personal preference
I couldn't suggest more than what's allowed by tappedout, but let me know what you think of each suggestion. If you want ideas for cuts, lmk
Profet93 on
Revel Up
2 years ago
Heroic Intervention - Protection
Beast Within - Removal
Bonders' Enclave - Draw
Dread Statuary - Manland to be used as a fuel for a mass draw spell or blocker in a pinch
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - Creature when you need it, land when you don't
The Great Henge - Draw, lifegain, ramp
Three Visits > Rampant growth
Green Sun's Zenith - Tutor
Harmonize - Not needed but nice to have, Xenagos decks struggle with card draw and this helps mitigate that weakness.
Eternal Witness - Recursion
Farhaven Elf/Wood Elves - Ramp T4 Xenagos
Kogla, the Titan Ape - Removal, utility with E-Wit and others
Shaman of Forgotten Ways - Ramp + Potential wincon
Elder Gargaroth - Really good, fav 5 drop beater in Xenagos hands down
Profet93 on
A bunch of crap that makes a Gruul deck
2 years ago
There are other cuts to consider as well, but I feel these are the more noteworthy ones....
Ashaya, Soul of the Wild - No direct synergy with Xenagos, you want a beater with evasion or protection
Beast Whisperer - Better in decks that are lower to the ground that can better use it's ability
Brash Taunter - "No synergy with Xenagos"
God-Eternal Rhonas - Better in decks that go wide, this gets easily chump blocked. You rarely have more than 1 creature out at a time
Klothys, God of Destiny - "No synergy with Xenagos"
Leyline Tyrant - Better in red decks, while not recomending it, glorybringer would be better IMO as it acts as removal as well
Phylath, World Sculptor - No synergy with....
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger - Not enough ramp to hard cast, no cheating effects (which wont even give you a cast trigger)
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre - See above
Shadowspear - Meta call? Better to have creatures with trample or more ramp and card draw in this slow
Triumph of the Hordes - Hit or miss. Playing a beater, hoping it survives, casting this next turn and hoping they dont have removal. Ignoring the feelbad of infect
Berserkers' Onslaught - Winmore
Vernal Bloom - Symmetrical ramp which you can't even take full advantage of
Nissa, Who Shakes the World - This is ok, I like the vigilance and getting essentially a 6/6. Rather have something more impactful.
Atarka, World Render - Beater with evasion
Balefire Dragon - Beater with evasion that also destroys decks that go wide
Carnage Tyrant - Beater with protection, evasion and anti-blue. Nice to use a mass draw spell knowing they can't remove the creature in response
Etali, Primal Storm - Not needed, but fun! Lots of value, doesn't require combat damage
Farhaven Elf - Ramp for T4 Xenagos
Fierce Empath - Tutor
Inferno Titan - Removal
Kogla, the Titan Ape - Removal
Malignus - GG target player
Savage Ventmaw - Beater with evasion and helps build tempo
Scourge of the Throne - Destroy people's lifetotal
Shaman of Forgotten Ways - Ramp and potential wincon
Siege Behemoth - Beater with evasion
Somberwald Sage - Ramp
Springbloom Druid - Ramp for T4 Xenagos
Yavimaya Hollow - Protection
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - Land when you need it, beater when you don't
Dread Statuary - Manland to be used as potential beater or for draw spell
Rishkar's Expertise - Draw + Tempo. Powerful!
Life's Legacy - Draw
Momentous Fall - Similar to above, to be used in response to removal
Berserk - Use on selvala, malignus or even an opposing creature attacking one of your opponents!
Sylvan Library - Nice but not needed
Profet93 on
Xenagos, I've Got You Here For 3 Minutes
2 years ago
You described almost every Xenagos deck, mine included. You hit it right on the head.
As you said, we either have it or we don't. With no way to tutor card draw, adding more helps increase the odds of maintaining gas
Lifeblood Hydra - Not necessary but always welcome on X = 3 or more. Even if they destroy it, you still get value, has built in evasion and has a high ceiling.
Life's Legacy - If blue is too prevalent in your meta, ignore this suggestion
Momentous Fall - Similar to above, but would still put in despite blue, and despite the fact that its hard to have 4 mana after casting a beater. But similar to rishkar's expertise, I argue the potential card draw is worth the risk. You usually use this in response to opponent's removal
Bonders' Enclave - Never hurts, coudl replace a fetch land possibly
Elder Gargaroth - Makes beasts for blockers/draw spells, draws cards and gains life in a pinch.
Harmonize - Reliable draw
Beast Within - Hits lands too. Very versatile
Decimate - Hull breach's older brother
Inferno Titan - Damage
Kogla, the Titan Ape - Fight + Naturalize, pretty good. Very fun if you ran eternal witness
Voracious Hydra - Removal with high ceiling and built in evasion
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - Ramp on steroids
Ancient Tomb - Ramp for T3 Commander
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - A better See the Unwritten
Berserk - Don't worry, malignus doesn't have trample. Bonus points if you use it on Selvala or on an opponent's creature who is attacking another opponent.
Yavimaya Hollow - Protection
Blighted Woodland/Myriad Landscape - Ramp
Reliquary Tower - For when you draw 10+ cards
Raging Ravine/Dread Statuary - Manland to be used for a draw spell
Be sure to lmk what you think of each suggestion. Some will work better for you than others. I see you run some dorks so I know you don't want too many nonbasics, but with all the ramp in Xenagos, I think we can be a little greedy. If you can't find room, I have ideas for cuts.
Profet93 on
Xenagos - Extra Combats
2 years ago
This deck is pretty low to the ground for Xenagos, good job.
Yavimaya Hollow - Protection
Ancient Tomb > Temple of False
Bonders' Enclave > Sanctum of Eternity - Is the reason it's in your deck to prevent opponents from removing Xenagos during your turn prior to combat? I don't see the use of it in this deck. Perhaps I'm missing something.
Cragcrown Pathway Flip > Mountain/Forest
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood > Forest - The additional utility it provides late game is key for when you're topdecking/out of gas
Raging Ravine - Manland that can be used as a creature to place a draw effect under late game
Dread Statuary - See above - Or not given your dorks and you want to limit colorless mana?
Myriad Landscape - Ramp - Same issue as above?
Skullclamp - Not 100% sold on it, but I think it could work here given your dorks which can be used as draw for late game, or helps you draw cards when your beaters die.
Berserk - Malignus says hi! Also, works on opposing creatures too. If opponent A attacks opponent B, you can kill their creature and deal extra damage to opponent B. Although I like using it on my beaters or Selvala heart of the wilds for extra ramp.
Deflecting Swat - Counter counterspells, redirect targeted removal(biggest issue in Xenagos so you don't get 2 for 1ed), targeted draw/extra turns, abilities, etc... Too much utility and for free.
Heroic Intervention - Protection for beaters
Life's Legacy - Draw
Harmonize - Draw
Green Sun's Zenith - Tutor for the beater you need to the battlefield
I count 5 sources of draw in this deck, 2 of which are unimpactful, 1 of which is unreliable, the other 2 are good. Do you often find yourself running out of gas quickly especially given your lower CMC?
You run embercleave but no Godo, Bandit Warlord???
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