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Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun
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3 months ago
chigorin Really appreciate the feedback and interest! It would be my pleasure to answer your questions.
First, regarding the card Grand Crescendo, it has definitely caught my eye. For now I am still testing the most recent build of the deck to see if I feel the need for more board-wipe protection. I will say that as a general rule, for this deck I like creatures such as Dauntless Escort and Selfless Spirit more than sorceries/instants because they combo with Earthcraft type effects and Gaea's Cradle + Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun. They can also be recycled with Sun Titan in a really powerful loop, and they can be searched with tutors. It is true that Grand Crescendo offers unprecedented flexibility in that you can use it as protection or as a token maker or both. I would still say that it is inferior to Heroic Intervention and to Teferi's Protection. Making more tokens in Emmara can really quickly feel "win more" because Emmara is such a reliable token maker. As soon as I test stuff out and make a decision I will write an update specifically for New Capenna stuff, so keep an eye out for that!
The deck is actually optimized for a 4-player game. It is true that Esper Sentinel and Smothering Tithe offer draw and mana, respectively, and at various points I did include them. However, they give you those things...and nothing else. They have almost no real synergy with your gameplan. Additionally, they are both occupying extremely busy mana slots. Turn 1 should always ideally be any of the "Turn One Tappers" and the 4 mana slot is almost always ideally taken by a token doubler or to continue setting up your combo. Mana/ramp is also the one thing that I do not feel the deck needs more of at all.
As for board wipes in general, my experience has been this: if no one plays a board wipe, I win 100% of the time unless I had an absolutely terrible hand/draws. You are the go wide deck. Either someone blows up the board or you win. So, focus on running protection and let others worry about board wipes.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh draws attention to you in a bad way. You don't want to give opponent's a reason to blow you up early. Emmara is a slow, steady token deck. You are always growing turn after turn. Your goal is to reach that critical point where you can 1-KO everyone before they realize you are a threat.
Glare of Subdual is a trap. It discourages you from tapping your creatures during your turn, and in this deck, if you are doing the things that will make you win, you are normally ending your turn with a tapped out board. Knight-Captain of Eos is your best defense against attacks, and it is always better to remove artifacts rather than just tap them.
Finally, Sylvan Library has the unfortunate trait of costing 2 mana. You ALWAYS cast Emmara turn 2. And because Sylvan Library is best played as early as possible, and from turn 3 forwards, it really doesn't feel like there is ever a good time to play it. I decided to cut it because now we have access to more cards with draw like Welcoming Vampire and the absolute perfection that is Bennie Bracks, Zoologist.
Please feel free to ask as many other questions as you want, or let me know if you would like more detail regarding any of my explanations! I love this deck, and for some weird reason I am just obsessed with making it perfect hahaha, so I will definitely be maintaining it for years to come!
1 year ago
Listing your budget range would help me make more precise recommendations, but I like going on tangents sometimes so i'll give some suggestions and thoughts on some cards.
Mox Diamond is a pretty tough card to replace, but if I had to do it on a budget I would consider one of the Talismans from Mirrodin/Modern Horizons. I know, this is a pretty tough sell but it's the best I can come up with. The color pairing i'd likely lean toward is Talisman of Curiosity or Talisman of Creativity .
Wheel of Fortune is much easier to replace. Obviously we could go with Windfall which is very wallet friendly - but is a color shift to blue. If you want to stay within red, then Winds of Change would be my go to.
Gaea's Cradle is a difficult card to replace, but thanks to the plane of Ixilan we have Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip/ Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun . It's essentially the same thing, you just need to jump through a hoop or two before you get your obscenely powerful land.
The ABUR Dual Lands are tough to replace. Honestly, i'm considering multiple options because none are really perfect. Though if I had to choose one, i'd likely toss back in the Shadowmoor/Eventide Filterlands. Here are my runners up:
- Bond Lands. They aren't typed, but they don't come into play tapped if you are playing in a group. Best of all, this cycle has been long complete and has been recently reprinted, so the costs are nice and cheap.
- Battle Lands from Zendikar are always going to come into play tapped due to this deck not using basics. But at least the lands are typed. Unfortunately, this cycle only has Allied colors.
- Bicycle Lands from Amokhet are always going to ETB tapped - but you have the added functionality of cycling. So...yay?
- Tricycle Lands from Ikoria. These are basically the better Bicycle lands lol. They do everything the bicycles do, but better. But alas, this cycle is not complete - and only has Wedge color combinations.
That's it for my suggestions, what do you think? Do you plan on constructing your own Sliver deck using my suggestions?
1 year ago
Whenever you exile a creature, it's controller draws a card and you gain 1 life.
I'm not entirely certain, but Livio seems to want to be built around ETB effects. Exile your own creatures, then bring them back into one massive drop; For example, Luminate Primordial would be an incredibly strong blink creature. Sure your opponents gain a ton of life, but you remove their biggest threats permanently. Additionally, as he has Partner, you can add in for something such as Woodfall Primus or Terastodon . You could even use use Meteor Golem . If you run Selesnya, you're already in extremely strong ramp territory as green loves to ramp with creatures and white loves to make creatures. Suddenly your Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun , Gaea's Cradle and Cryptolith Rite look astounding. Not to mention Circle of Dreams Druid and, if you use enchantments to protect yourself such as a Prison / Stax deck, Serra's Sanctum . There's also Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , Nyxbloom Ancient and Mana Reflection .
Hone in the strategy with Trostani, Selesnya's Voice and similar life-gaining creatures such as Suture Priest , Soul Warden , Soul's Attendant , Angelic Chorus and Essence Warden for a massive gap between you and your opponents.
Anyway, there ya go. A skeleton for a down and dirty Selesnya deck. Go have some fun with it.
Since you are going for extreme ramp and board presence, I'd recommend Partnering with Halana, Kessig Ranger so that when they enter you can pay and have removal-on-a-stick, too.
Kodama of the East Tree would be nice but that's a trap. You'll be outed as the archenemy at the table on Turn 0. Sure you get to cheat a bunch of things into play, but that doesn't help advance your wincon. I'd rather see Halana in the Command Zone for that removal option, so that the creatures we are playing around with can get through and finish the game off quickly. You're going creature-heavy, so use them.
1 year ago
1 year ago
@TheMediator. Thanks for the suggestions. I think In Search of Greatness would do well. I am fairly certain Castle Garenbrig and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun would be affected by Blood Moon and Damping Sphere . I recognize it's not too optimal, but I included them knowing that not always would I be able to have every card interact with one another.
1 year ago
"Mostly..." +1 for the deck title!
I've always wanted to make a werewolf deck, but their flip mechanic for commander is a big problem. I like your creative solutions of dissuading people from casting spells. Winter Orb has been banned in my playgroup because it's too mean hahaha.
There is a new werewolf-themed set planned to be released later this year (Sept. I think?), so keep your eyes open for new cards! There might be some commander-friendly transform options coming.
1 year ago
seshiro_of_the_orochi I do have those in my Ezuri deck, so if nothing else I have a great new evasion piece. And plakjekaas I can untap Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun with it and Arbor Elf , which are also in my Ezuri, Renegade Leader deck (Found here, haven't written a primer for it yet Little Green Men Unite!). Not quite Cabal Coffers , but pretty good still.