Karn Liberated

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Vintage Legal

Karn Liberated

Planeswalker — Karn

+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.

-3: Exile target permanent.

-14: Restart the game, leaving in exile all non-Aura permanent cards exiled with Karn Liberated. Then put those cards onto the battlefield under your control.

Hastapasta on Azorius Shutdown (VERY EFFECTIVE)

1 month ago

Karn Liberated is good but it doesn't fit the theme I feel. Jace, the Mind Sculptor might be a better replacement. Right?

plakjekaas on Dominaria United Spoilers

1 month ago

TheoryCrafter How does Karn, Living Legacy's +1 help cast Karn Liberated sooner? That's a non-artifact spell, isn't it?

TheoryCrafter on Dominaria United Spoilers

1 month ago

Here's my take:

Glad to finally see an Alt win Card in a new color scheme. Ajani, Sleeper Agent should be a boon to anyone looking to a Selesnya infect deck. If built right Abzan Infect Storm with Hand of the Praetors could be a possibility.

While Karn, Living Legacy doesn't add anything new to Tron or animate noncreature artifacts, it should be a help in Karn Tribal decks. The first ability can either help cast Karn Liberated sooner or be a support for the constructs made by by Karn, Scion of Urza. Plus it's ult can get around the Karn, the Great Creator/Mycosynth Lattice combo. KLL's power may be in its subtlety, but there's more to it. And I can't figure it out.

I'm liking the enlist mechanic. It should mesh well with exalted and other abilities and mechanics that give creatures a bonus for attacking alone.

The read ahead mechanic on the new sagas is a brilliant idea. You can farm the lore counters with Power Conduit, move them onto non-saga cards like Mind Unbound or speed up other Sagas through Nesting Grounds.

No new slivers or thrulls. Disappointing, but not unexpected.

As happy as I am about Liliana making an appearance, why reprint Liliana of the Veil, but not Arvad the Cursed? I don't know, maybe I'm being ridiculous.

Shivan Devastator is the kind of card I'd like to put in a monored Dragon deck. Now if the price can only come down a lot.

Tear Asunder is a huge upgrade from Revoke Existence.

While playable in 1v1 games, Ramses, Assassin Lord's alternate win ability is meant for multi-player. Unless of course you build a deck where everyone loses and Ramses prevents that.

Overall, we got a good set.

420MensRightsActivist on Counter Deck

1 month ago

i'm not sure how you can say ramp made the deck slower unless you were just using really bad ramp. 30 lands makes you drastically more likely to mana flood, and thats what will make the deck slower is when you're not casting spells because you're drawing lands. instead of relying on normal land drops for 5 turns, you should play ramp in the early turns so you can play your bigger spells on turn 3 or 4. good examples of ramp include things like Birds of Paradise, Arbor Elf, and Utopia Sprawl. in fact a turn 1 Arbor Elf followed by a turn 2 Utopia Sprawl will still leave you with 4 additional mana on turn 2. also, you NEED removal if you deck cannot win on or before turn 4, which yours can't.

Champion of Lambholt is a good example of a really slow card in this deck. it's meant to be played in decks that can drop multiple creatures in a single turn, or even better from a single spell such as Spectral Procession. tapping out for a 1/1 on turn 3 is not what you want to be doing in modern. modern is a format where Karn Liberated can hit the field turn 3. Primeval Titan could be attacking you with haste turn 3. they could cascade into Living End turn 3 and then wipe you out turn 4.

Winding Constrictor would be an upgrade over Corpsejack Menace in this deck. Hardened Scales would be even better still.

MilesHiles on The Legion of Doom: Foiled Again

2 months ago

Sure -

Turn 1) Mana: Ideally two rocks like Mana Crypt and Sol Ring with a land like Command Tower or City of Brass

Turn 2) Doubling Season or another mana rock like Gilded Lotus with a Deepglow Skate in hand

Turn 3) Drop a walker like Ugin, the Spirit Dragon or Karn Liberated or Tamiyo, Field Researcher or Tezzeret, Artifice Master or Teferi, Temporal Archmage. - At this point, depending on Turn 2, you would ult one of them or use a + ability and pass

Turn 4) Ult your walker and hope for a hit. Ideally: - You'd either be restarting the game with Karn Liberated, using the + ability you had to give an advantage on whatever was exiled. - Using Ugin, the Spirit Dragon to play Teferi, Temporal Archmage and The Chain Veil for infinite Ugin, the Spirit Dragon + ability triggers to kill - Using Tezzeret, Artifice Master to search for the last combo piece, usually Teferi, Temporal Archmage or The Chain Veil to hit infinite mana, draw, and loyalty activation (depending on play, this would technically result in a turn 5 win) - Using Tamiyo, Field Researcher to draw and using her Omniscience ability to play one of the other previously listed walkers, ulting them, and winning through those lines.

Hope this helps!

DawnsRayofLight on Chainer, Dementia Master

3 months ago

As someone who has played Chainer for close to a decade, I have some suggestions I would like to offer. (though everyone's decks run differently!)

34-35 lands is usually enough. I would recommend 34 with Agadeem's Awakening  Flip that gives you 5 spots:

In those spots:

Mana Crypt

Thought Vessel

Charcoal Diamond

Coldsteel Heart

Jet Medallion

(Or all the expensive artifacts like Grim Monolith or what have you)

In place of:

1x Cast Down--> Lethal Scheme: This card is amazing in any reanimator list

1x Culling the Weak--> Phyrexian Altar: you need more sac outlets with some staying power

1x Dismember--> Soul Transfer: seems janky, but versatile

1x Doom Blade--> Baleful Mastery: you can hit more with it.

1x Go for the Throat--> Infernal Grasp

1x Power Word Kill--> Deadly Rollick/Altar of Dementia: for a better killspell or for a sac outlet

1x Sacrifice--> Ashnod's Altar: need more sac outlets with staying power

1x Terror--> Meteor Golem: This guy helps so much with things Black cannot remove

1x Victim of Night--> Karn Liberated: This guy helps so much with things Black cannot remove

Cruel Tutor--> Mikaeus, the Unhallowed: bonkers for some staying power, also has combo potential

Unmarked Grave--> Putrid Goblin: this or Walking Ballista are good for combos with Mikaeus. Putrid GOblin + Ashnod's Altar/Phyrexian Altar + Mikaeus = infinite mana (or sub ashnod's altar for mill).

Suggested Drops, see next list for suggested replacements

Blood Pet--> sort of an eh card, I might think of something with more oomph

Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip--> I do like her, she just never did anything when I ran her.

Ruthless Technomancer: I have debated a lot adding him, in something like Korvold, he is an all-star, in chainer, he can be good, but I would almost always rather have Disciple of Bolas

Skirge Familiar: I get the reason it is in here, but there are better cards.

Black Market: It's nice, but can be too slow.

Liliana of the Dark Realms: I just have never been a big fan, she feels too lackluster.

Final Parting: good card, but I feel you can part with some tutor because you have MORE than enough

Sidisi, Undead Vizier: good card, but I feel you can part with some tutor because you have MORE than enough

Rune-Scarred Demon: good card, but I feel you can part with some tutor because you have MORE than enough, there also some stronger creatures to fit in the spot.

Suggestions

Archon of Cruelty: expensive mana wise but an all star.

Kokusho, the Evening Star: has been in my deck from the beginning and has flat out won me games.

Brainstealer Dragon: seems janky, but I added to just try it and it has been amazing.

Black Market Connections: You need more draw (also helps with ramp)

Phyrexian Arena: You need more draw

Bolas's Citadel: an amazing card. Wins games all the time.

Disciple of Bolas: card draw and life gain

Fell Stinger: card draw

Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed: Great for recursion

Reanimate, Liliana, Death's Majesty, Living Death. and Animate Dead: it is good to have other means of reanimation if Chainer keeps getting removed (I also suggest sac outlets to help keep your creatures from getting exiled when they spot remove Chainer)

Hope this helps! Here is my list to maybe show you how I run the list: The True Meaning of Death and Taxes

JacobAGrossman on Glittering Company

3 months ago

Yeah I mean basically. The board wipes are the best I can find for things like that, same with the big threats. But yeah, removal is just for singleton threats that are hindrances. A Pithing Needle stopping the combo, a Karn Liberated continuously removing it, things like that.

I would definitely be down to shift to something like that, if they could still actually affect the board state as much as straight up removal does. The best things I could find, which I used a while ago, were Wheel of Sun and Moon and Privileged Position, but I've moved on since then. Would definitely be open to new ideas

Bulldawg1310 on

4 months ago

Nathanael97 i actually do like Kozilek's Channeler i have decided , just havent updated the list yet, but endbringer will be going away and i think atleast one Ugin, the Ineffable is going in if i dont decide to add 2, then i will probably add another dismember just buy us some time. i do like Karn, Scion of Urza but i think our main focus for the same amount of mana should be great creator. in the event that i decide to ditch Karn Liberated all together than i can easily see scion take his spot. well see how it plays tomorrow and then go from there.

i know it seems that im being difficult, im not trying to be. i really do appreciate the feedback and the suggestions.

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