Turntimber Symbiosis

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Vintage Legal

Turntimber Symbiosis

Sorcery

Look at the top seven cards of your library. You may put a creature card from among them onto the battlefield. If that card has mana value 3 or less, it enters with three additional +1/+1 counters on it. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

TheOfficialCreator on Jodah Big Spell

1 month ago

What do you think about the big MDFC cycle (Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip, Sea Gate Restoration  Flip, Emeria's Call  Flip)? Also, Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios  Flip is very fun for a deck that needs to ramp quickly, especially if combined with Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait.

The MDFCs will allow your deck to be a bit more flexible when it needs to be, with them never really being a dead draw.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Turn 2)

2 months ago

I ran Glittering Wish for a while (1 yr+ or so), but I found Fae of Wishes was a better wish option, since it had synergy with Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip and had more options when found with Mosswort Bridge. I ultimately cut it for Bring to Light in the current version. I definitely agree on The Gitrog Monster but I need a target for Bring to Light when I don't have Amulet of Vigor in play, and that was the best I could come up with. I am more than open to suggestions of an instant/sorcery or creature that does more at <= 5 CMC (4 or less would be ideal, as 5 CMC pushes it).

Lotus Cobra is also a card I ran for quite a while, and is okay, but doesn't really do much when we don't have lands in hand, and is less powerful than an extra land creature in most cases. If you can cast a titan, it is a free creature, since you get your mana back on the first land fetch, so it is pretty good. I view it as a less powerful Amulet of Vigor for all intents and purposes.

Wargate is a clunkier version of Bring to Light or Eladamri's Call (depending on CMC you want to find), so I prefer one of those two for the deck currently.

NotSquishedYet on Viga-BOOM! (Turn 2)

2 months ago

The Gitrog Monster and Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip stick out to me as maybe the weakest links. Grain of salt since I've never played with or against the deck. Thoughts on Glittering Wish, Lotus Cobra, Wargate? No idea if any of them would actually be good.

nbarry223 on Best Fae of Wishes Targets?

4 months ago

Great suggestions so far!

I really like Biorhythm as a sneaky wincon (going to keep it in mind in all future games I play, to see how often it would come up). Shark Typhoon is essentially a tutorable creature that you can sink mana into worst case, while also being a card you could build a deck around. Ensnaring Bridge is something I haven't considered surprisingly, but realistically the deck I run this in usually has too many cards in hand, so I couldn't use it as an out as easily as Worship could be used.

@wolfhead
It's really funny you mentioned Karn, the Great Creator and Glittering Wish because I transitioned from Glittering Wish to Fae of Wishes, and actually ran Karn, the Great Creator for a little bit too. In my deck, Mosswort Bridge doesn't care about CMC and lets me cast the adventure mode free, and Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip (it has upsides with Mosswort Bridge over other lands) feels much better hitting Fae of Wishes instead of Glittering Wish, so there's a fair bit of upside for this option over the other wishes.

@RNR_Gaming
Unfortunately, Fae of Wishes says noncreature, so 2/3 of those don't work. I'd also want something with more impact than Tormod's Crypt, like Rest in Peace, when you consider the opportunity cost of the wish. Free cards are good, don't get me wrong, but they need to be worth Fae of Wishes initial cost to even be considered. For example, Force of Vigor is a valid option.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Turn 2)

4 months ago

Finally went through and updated the description after all the swaps with the new tech. I think my 75 is pretty stable now and covers the weaknesses and matches I want it to cover. I found Inferno of the Star Mounts and Inferno Titan as some spicy options that help with the Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon matches, allowing me to play around the card, instead of trying to deal with it.

If I'm being honest, Inferno Titan is probably the weakest of my sideboard cards currently, but I can honestly get by without:

Chalice of the Void
Inferno of the Star Mounts
Inferno Titan

with Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip and Worship being next in line, although I really like what they do for the deck, so I'll probably be keeping these 2 options for the foreseeable future.

More than open to any suggestions anyone may have.

Balinor5 on

4 months ago

Since you're going more green than colorless in this deck, you may want to replace the Ancient Stirrings with Once Upon a Time, since you could whiff on the Stirrings.

I think a couple copies of Sylvan Scrying would be your best bet to get the lands you need. Since Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth is Legendary and you'll be able to find lands, I think two copies would be plenty, especially if you work in Sylvan Scrying. Since you are running green, I'd consider replacing two copies of Yavimaya with 2 copies of Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. The Boseiju's are great since they have that channel ability.

You have a lot of "play extra land" abilities... too much IMO. The Arboreal Grazers are great early game, but are dead cards later. Unless you run a single copy of Assault Formation. That wouldn't affect your other creatures, but it kind of takes the deck in a different direction. However, if you have tons of mana, you could really boost your creatures through that last ability.

I think you need to find the right balance though playtesting for your Grazers/Azuza/Explore.

I'm not a fan of Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip for what it does. If you have the $$$ Green Sun's Zenith is way better. You'd probably only need to run 1-2 of those, since they recycle themselves, and you can replace the other two copies with Regrowth for renewal or Heroic Intervention for protection.

Lastly, I think you should try to find a way to fit in one or two copies of World Breaker. He does so much work, and if you're dumping lots of lands, you can bring him back from the graveyard.

Not sure what the right answer on your 4x Amulet of Vigor. They are key to get the deck going fast, but later on they are dead cards. Maybe bring it down to 3 copies or even two and try to work in a copy of Bow of Nylea (great all around support card all 4 modes are good for you, and the static ability is amazing with all your trample) and maybe Nylea, God of the Hunt.

Hope this helps give some ideas... The short of it, is that I think you may have too much "play an extra land" and need to watch the potential for late dead cards. Otherwise, it looks great. Primeval Titan is perfect in a deck like this.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Turn 2)

9 months ago

So I did some math on Judge Unworthy in here, to see if it is worthy (if it wasn't only during the combat phase, I would probably include it simply for the scry 3 with conditional upside).

~39.1% chance to do 5+ damage within the scry 3
~63.9% chance to do 3+ damage within the scry 3

Then, ignoring what's in the scry and revealing whatever was after yields us:

~15% chance to do 5+ damage ~28.3% chance to do 3+ damage ~50% to do no damage

so that is not generally suggested. I think it could be considered for a slot, but it would basically be up against Pollen Lullaby or Dismember, which I think are both better respectively, due to either the flexible casting cost, or ability to stop swarms instead of just one creature.

I did swap out Nurturing Peatland for another Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip to help with Pollen Lullaby since I barely needed the card draw aspect and mainly used it for a green mana source. Most of the time, when I did use it for card draw, I was looking for a threat, which Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip has tacked onto the back when bounced with any bounceland, so that was a good upgrade.

nbarry223 on Viga-BOOM! (Turn 2)

9 months ago

With Turntimber Symbiosis  Flip being a thing to artificially inflate CMC, Judge Unworthy may finally be worth it. I’ll have to revisit clash cards etc as well, because Pollen Lullaby was great even before I had 7 CMC lands.

Finally finished updating the deck’s description with all my recent swaps. I think the deck is a lot more consistent now as well (finding I mulligan less). I may do a few more land swaps, since there’s a few I find myself not needing.

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