Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Other creatures you control get +2/+2.
Creatures your opponents control get -2/-2.
|Want (2)||tgger000 , swatdog|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Discussion
1 week ago
Fair enough, you made it the way you intended, pros and cons. Can't really say much else.
It would be interesting to see in print and playtest but I do fear the downside when facing e.g. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (or any easy to activate damage tool) that just instantly exiles your entire board, either by itself or by assist of a board wipe/board damage that doesn't remove Elesh Norn herself. Then again I didn't have that many recursion tools in my last vampire deck list but I did have a few where it would be bad to have your vampires exiled.
2 months ago
ninja8244 I've been enjoying all of the asymmetrical boardwipes. Ruinous Ultimatum and Elspeth, Sun's Champion allow me to clean up the opponent's board while leaving mine in tact. In play the planeswalkers have felt really nice. They allow for snowballing value, card advantage and repeatable token producers. I think you're right, Chandra, Acolyte of Flame deserves to be tried out. I did end up cutting Storm-Kiln Artist and Orzhov Enforcer to add a bit more interaction. But I do like the fury storm + storm kiln combo for infinite mana (which in this deck means infinite damage).
I'm trying out Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , which makes me want to put some more reanimation into the deck and maybe slam in a Razaketh, the Foulblooded ... but I'm worried about that pulling me in too many directions -- I'm already stretched on token production, payoff and interaction as it is.
2 months ago
Aura of Silence Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Thalia, Heretic Cathar Swords to Plowshares Path to Exile Ghostly Prison Damn Grand Abolisher Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Aven Mindcensor Blind Obedience Ashes of the Abhorrent Smothering Tithe Archon of Emeria Opposition Agent Archfiend of Depravity Dread Linvala, Keeper of Silence Avacyn, Angel of Hope
3 months ago
The red splash in this list doesn't seem worth it for less than a playset of Thrilling Discovery , especially since you can run more Collective Brutality as discard outlets and I can't really think of any Prismatic Ending targets that cost three mana outside of the occasional Lurrus of the Dream-Den , although if you are keen on the red splash you should probably add a Savai Triome somewhere. Damn seems like something this deck would want as both cheap removal and a sweeper. Liliana of the Veil as some cheap interaction while also being a discard outlet.
I would also have some Wear / Tear in the sideboard. It can hit enchantment based graveyard hate like Rest in Peace while also being a good card against the artefact decks as it can Stone Rain a Urza's Saga and kill The Underworld Cookbook and Colossus Hammer . Anguished Unmaking was unplayable in a standard format with a W/B control deck in it. Vindicate is better 90% of the time it hits lands will also not losing you three life, which is pretty relevant against Murktide Regent decks where you want to bring in unconditional removal.
3 months ago
3 months ago
I'm unsure if you have a budget or not, but I'd recommend cutting Privileged Position in favor of Greater Auramancy . The CMC is a lot cheaper and as such easier to play. I'd also advise running more permanent removal like Beast Within , Generous Gift , or even things like Afterlife and Path to Exile . I know you're running a life-gain subtheme, but I think either Library of Leng or Wheel of Sun and Moon would be a better fit than Venser's Journal due to the cheaper CMC. The way I view it is if you have cheaper enchantments, you can cast more per turn, in turn drawing more cards per turn. I'd also advise something like Lightning Greaves , as Sythis draws a huge target on herself for being able to easily draw 3+ cards a turn. I'd also advise Luminarch Ascension as it plays into your theme of angels.
If you're open to the idea of other win-cons, one I use in my Sythis deck is Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite or Linvala, Keeper of Silence and Nature's Revolt . Another win-con I've seen people use, albeit I don't use it myself, is Parallax Wave and Opalescence . Essentially, you abuse the stack with Wave, targeting four opponents creatures and then itself. It goes away, and comes back as a creature with five more counters. The original is still exiled, so all of your opponents creatures remain in exile.
If you wanna take a gander at my version of Sythis, you can find it here [EDH] Sythis Enchantress
3 months ago
my one problem with Gauntlets of Light is that it is only truly useful with one card in the deck, Sanctum Weaver Now, I will admit, there are some other niche cards in the deck (Nature's Revolt is a good example) but I have multiple cards to combo with it (Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Linvala, Keeper of Silence).
3 months ago
I've also built a Sythis deck, and while you seem to be taking more of a creature-based approach, I took a more stax-based approach. My list is here: [EDH] Sythis Enchantress
All in all, it seems reletively solid for a creature-based deck. However, I do think you need more enchantments. I don't know if you have a budget or not, but things like Greater Auramancy , Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, Luminarch Ascension , Carpet of Flowers , and Concordant Crossroads are all cheap CMC enchantments that put in work in my list. I'd also advise adding in more protection, such as Veil of Summer and Autumn's Veil , as that can help protect you against counterspells and spot removal.
I'd recommend cutting Castle Garenbrig , as this is a multi-colored deck and you only have four creatures with activated abilities costing mana. I'd also advise trying to trim down your CMC, as you probably want to be drawing as many cards as possible per turn. You don't necessarily need things like Starfield of Nyx or Privileged Position , or even things like Mirari's Wake in my opinion.
I will say though, I am a bit of a hypocrite because the main wincon in my deck is fairly expensive. I use Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite paired with Nature's Revolt to kill everyone's lands or Linvala, Keeper of Silence paired with Nature's Revolt to prevent anyone from using their lands to tap for mana.