Cragcrown Pathway

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Cragcrown Pathway Discussion

nbarry223 on 5c Neoform Value (Suggestions Wanted)

1 month ago

Ok, here's a landbase to try out (tried not to change too much and make it work a little better life-wise while still maintaining the ability to get most any color combination by the turn you need it):

1x Reflecting Pool
1x Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
1x Ketria Triome
1x Zagoth Triome
1x Breeding Pool
1x Stomping Ground
1x Temple Garden
3x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
1x Misty Rainforest
2x Forest
1x Plains
1x Island

Below can be 4 of anything from fast lands like you have now to vivid lands etc. I'll just list a few + lesser options in case you like any, but the core is above. You should concentrate on having access to then / then then lastly (couple exceptions which I explained). I tried to put them in order of relevance.

Vivid Grove (there's other vivid lands, this is the green one though, and you don't want many tapped lands)
Fire-Lit Thicket (there's other of this cycle, but this is first choice because it will help with your costs)
Barkchannel Pathway  Flip
Branchloft Pathway  Flip
Temple of Mystery (lots of temple options, sometimes the scry is worth the tapped land)
Wooded Bastion
Flooded Grove
Hengegate Pathway  Flip
Cragcrown Pathway  Flip
Grove of the Burnwillows
Lair of the Hydra (manland that you could transform at low cost, or large beater for endgame)
Nimbus Maze
Simic Growth Chamber (maybe it is worth waiting a turn to reuse a land, but probably not in most cases)
River of Tears
Exotic Orchard
Pillar of the Paruns

multimedia on Gruul Werewolf Pack

2 months ago

Hey, interesting high budget version of Tovolar with less Werewolves.

Human Werewolves that don't have day/night still count towards and transform when Tovolar upkeep triggers. The better Werewolves not having day/night is not really a drawback with Tovolar. Because Tovolar can repeatedly change from day to night then you have more chances to transform nonday/night Werewolves. If you play a nonday/night Werewolf after Tovolar transforms that's fine because more than likely Tovolar will flip back daybound giving you another chance to transform all Human Werewolves you control at your upkeep.

If you want to play a small amount of Werewolves then the ones you play really should give you more than just being a Werewolf.

With such a high budget you can do better than the vanilla Werewolves who don't give you anything when they're Humans as well as when they nightbound transform? Many of the Wolves are also subpar compared to all other cards here. If you're playing the Wolves just to be able to upkeep trigger Tovolar faster any Human Werewolf will do the same thing and give you more than any of these Wolves.

Wolves and Werewolves to consider cutting:


Really nice Fetch lands, but consider playing a Forest/Mountain dual land to fetch: Stomping Ground, Cinder Glade, Sheltered Thicket? Adding these lands will also give Farseek a dual land to search for instead of only being able to search for a basic Mountain. Also by adding some Forest/Mountain dual lands then you could improve the land ramp spells with Nature's Lore and Three Visits.

Some changes to consider:

Some other lands that would improve the manabase by cutting some basic lands especially Mountains:

Arcane Signet could replace Herald's Horn since Horn doesn't do much if you're not tribal. With so few Werewolves or Humans as well as many different creature types then a mana rock would make more ramp.

Door of Destinies is another tribal only card and it's very slow with so few Werewolves or Humans to cast. Could cut Door for Beastmaster Ascension since it's an anthem for all creatures you control.

Good luck with your deck.

willwrdn on Gruul Werewolf Aggro standard

2 months ago

I like this deck! I'd probably play it myself if I had the wildcards to spend on Arena.

You're looking for fine tuning. Off the top of my head, I might suggest cutting the Highland Forests or Mountains for Cragcrown Pathway  Flips. I know you want the snow permanents for Blizzard Brawl, but I think the added consistency for your manabase is worth it, especially if you plan on running Unnatural Growth.

I might also look for ways to include Goldspan Dragon in your mainboard. I think it's just too good to not include if you're already in red

multimedia on Draconic Rage Precon Upgraded

2 months ago

Hey, well done with upgrading the precon on a budget.

Greater Good and Goblin Bombardment let you abuse Dragon Spirits before they're saced after doing damage. When a Dragon Spirit does damage it makes a sacrifice trigger that has to resolve from the stack before the token is saced. When the trigger is on the stack you can response to it by sacing the token for value. Greater is draw 5 cards and Bombardment is do 1 damage to Vrondiss to create another Dragon Spirit. When Vrondiss is indestructible, Bombardment can be part a combo to do infinite damage to opponents with any two of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge.

Wild Endeavor is a six mana ramp spell with only d4 rolls, you don't really want to be casting ramp with six mana.


Consider more repeatable draw sources which the precon really lacks. More effects that draw a card whenever a Spirit Dragon is created and from other enrage: Ripjaw Raptor, Garruk's Packleader, Elemental Bond.

Ripjaw Raptor is another good creature to make indestructible because then you can draw cards by doing damage to it. Garruk's Packleader draw is a may, you can stop drawing at any time. With Packleader in your control and Vrondiss is indestructible then one of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge will create as many Dragon Spirits who will do damage/sac itself as you want which is draw as many cards as you want.

Wulfgar of Icewind Dale is out of place in the precon and here because there's very few cards that trigger when the creature attacks. He's not worth keeping really just for Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient.


One area from the precon you haven't upgraded is the manabase, it's still 39 lands and 27 basic lands. Some lands to consider adding in place of some basic lands and Underdark Rift:

I don't think you need 39 lands, some of them could be cut for lower CMC ramp such as Farseek, Talisman of Impulse and Sakura-Tribe Elder. Because you have Cinder Glade and could add Highland Forest then Farseek has a dual land to search for. For two mana Tyrite Sanctum can repeatedly put a counter on Vrondiss to make him bigger. Once he's a God then Sanctum can be saced to make Vrondiss indestructible. Both these effects are helpful coming from a land.

I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.

multimedia on I Have Not Yet Begun To Fight

3 months ago

Hey, nice version so far with a high budget. Cutting Garruk's Uprising was a mistake, the card is really good in creature decks.

Apex Altisaur and Thorn Mammoth are upgrades for Ravager Wurm and Foe-Razer Regent for repeatable fight. You don't really need Regent since you have Vigor which has a much better ability to put counters on creatures you control. Vrondiss, Rage of Ancients from the new Draconic Rage Commander precon is a target for fight and good with Vigor. He can also be a repeatable source of big tokens to abuse Greater Good, Terror of the Peaks and Garruk's Uprising.

Quartzwood Crasher is a five drop to pair with Garruk's Uprising, another repeatable source of big tokens and it's combat damage trigger goes well when you can double the power of a creature with trample. Garruk, Primal Hunter and Garruk, Unleashed can be repeatable sources of tokens for attacking and fighting. With fight it's easier to protect them to get to their ultimates.

Arcane Signet is a ramp upgrade for Rampant Growth. Harrow is an upgrade for Kodama's Reach. Karplusan Forest, Grove of the Burnwillows, Cragcrown Pathway  Flip are three more Gruul dual lands that always ETB untapped to consider adding. Cinder Glade is an upgrade for Temple of Abandon.


Some cards to consider cutting:

Good luck with your deck.

zapyourtumor on The Impossible Deck

3 months ago

There are some better budget lands than the ones you are currently running. I've put parentheses around some that aren't quite as cheap and bolded the ones that are definitely in your price range.

Painlands: Llanowar Wastes, (Karplusan Forest)

Check lands: Dragonskull Summit, Rootbound Crag, (Woodland Cemetery)

MDFC lands: Cragcrown Pathway  Flip, (Blightstep Pathway  Flip), (Darkbore Pathway  Flip)

Scry lands: Temple of Malady, Temple of Malice, Temple of Abandon

wallisface on Hornets & Meteorites

5 months ago

free-kolja some replies to your bullet-points. I've also made a list for comparison.

  • I agree that Arboreal Grazer is a bad late game draw, but to be fair, this is a combo deck and so being in the late game to begin with is a bad place to be - the game should have already been over. I get that you want card quality, but speed is often important when you're against the clock. You already have a lot of cards that would be "bad" to draw second copies of, for example - but they're in the deck because speed and consistency is valuable (i.e. I can't imagine drawing a second copy of Star of Extinction , Basilisk Collar , or Brash Taunter is ever a good sign).

  • It's very interesting that your group doesn't run sideboards, because that will mean that there are going to be lots of various matchups that any deck just doesn't stand a chance against (I imagine anyone playing a dredge build would just be very oppressive). Saying that, i'm still struggling to work out what card Return to Nature actually helps you against... the only card I can think of is Platinum Emperion ? Your deck is in a very safe spot in a sideboardless world, where it just has to do its thing, and its up to other decks to stop you, or out-race you. I just don't get what Return to Nature is helping you against?

  • So the one big bonus of Blasphemous Act , is that even if there's only one creature in play, it's still going to cost the same as Star of Extinction . SO, at its absolute worst, you can still get by with it. I do concede, that it obviously doesn't hit walkers, or get the instant kill.

Dealing with non-creature decks better is going to be really hard in a format without sideboards, especially being a combo deck that has to be aiming to win before its beaten down. I have some thoughts, though you're probably not going to like them. It involves changing the deck quite a bit. Below I have a list i've just spun up, which utilizes Karn, the Great Creator . That card will let you fetch up Stuffy Doll to do your combo whenever you need to, but also fetch up whatever hate cards you need at the time (i'm thinking Wurmcoil Engine , Walking Ballista , Ratchet Bomb , Ensnaring Bridge , etc.). Now, obviously i'm not suggesting you change your list to whatever nonsense i've brewed up below, but hopefully it gives you some thoughts for consideration.

The above, as an example, gives you a relatively low bad-draw count. Karn, the Great Creator means you don't have to run Basilisk Collar mainboard, but can still get this card if needed for Brash Taunter . He can also get your combo via Stuffy Doll , and lets you grab specific answers for your opponents decks, so you don't need mainboard Return to Nature . The ramp package changed slightly to allow for a much more explosive path to 4 mana (you can easily have 5 mana to play with turn 2), which allows you to run these higher cmc cards, but also keep the land count low.

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