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Nature's Resurgence Discussion
3 months ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
3 months ago
Dryad Arbor : This land feels bad when you have it in your opener, but you can get it off Green Sun's Zenith for X = 0. This is a pretty good turn one play, especially with a flipped Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben : Hatebears are the best way to win in GW, outside combo. Running something like Thalia lets you slow down your opponents; with the mana-advantage from your dorks/general, you're likely to be able to play through it better than your opponents.
Fetches: These are better than Selesnya Guildgate , mainly because they allow you to double-trigger your landfall guys, like Rampaging Baloths and they enable duals, like your Temple Garden or (if you have access to it) Savannah . I like that you're running Windswept Heath ; consider off-colors, like Flooded Strand or Misty Rainforest . If these are too difficult to get ahold of, slow-fetches like Grasslands and Flood Plain are also good. Prismatic Vista , too.
Nature's Revolt / Living Lands : Living Lands is better (as it's four mana), but Nature's Revolt is $200 cheaper... Paired with Linvala, Keeper of Silence , these two produce a hard lock on your opponents. Additionally, paired with Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , this effect produces instant fun.
Selfless Spirit : This is a good way to avoid a boardwipe wiping you out of the game.
Cataclysm : This is a boardwipe like no other. I suggest running it in any white deck, as it deals with a clogged board real fast. Note that it makes everyone sac all their planeswalkers, as that card-type was not instituted when Cataclysm was printed.
4 months ago
I mean, so with regards to self-mill Cephalid Vandal is a card I've been impressed with. Dredge creatures like Golgari Grave-Troll and Stinkweed Imp are also good to consider in addition to your Life from the Loam .
The biggest bonus of being in green is the color's access to one-mana mana dorks. Llanowar Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Birds of Paradise , Deathrite Shaman , Fyndhorn Elves and Elvish Mystic are all cards to consider. Simply being able to play a turn or so faster can make all the difference in the world. Similarly, Priest of Titania and Bloom Tender are great dorks, though being two mana does put them second-tier.
I've generally found that, in EDH, replacing 1-for-1s with 2-or-more-for-1s is a good idea. Force of Vigor is a new card I've been considering for my decks, and I think it's strictly better than Naturalize .
Have you considered Reanimate ? I notice that you aren't running it -- I think it's probably the best reanimation spell there is.
With the recent printings of enemy talismans, I don't think running Dimir Signet , Simic Signet and Golgari Signet is where you want to be. Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Creativity and Talisman of Resilience are less awkward to use and cost the same.
Mana Confluence and City of Brass are important sources of colored mana once you're at 3+ colors. Additionally, fetch lands are at a premium. Though the Onslaught and Zendikar fetches can cost the same as a used kidney, slow fetches ( Grasslands , Rocky Tar Pit , Bad River , Flood Plain and Mountain Valley ) work as well and are WAY easier on the wallet.
You may want to get more card-draw in your list, too. Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence seem powerful in a creature-heavy list based around self-mill, but classic draw spells like Painful Truths , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Chart a Course , Ponder , Preordain and Fact or Fiction are also really strong here. I like that you're already running Windfall -- most people forget that card for some reason; it's like, REALLY good. Brainstorm is another card to consider, but it only becomes good with a lot of shuffle effects (see the aforementioned fetch lands).
I gotta go to work. Good luck man!
6 months ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
6 months ago
First thing I suggest is Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. You have a LOT of creatures, and I like that you're running the whole host of mana-dorks. Rites lets you get even more mana, and serves as an affordable Gaea's Cradle .
I don't think Sapseep Forest is better than a simple basic. Coming in tapped is a big drawback, and 1 life is rarely very relevant in EDH. To a lesser extent, you may find Mistveil Plains to be worse than a basic as well. Mistveil is typically limited to Captain Sisay or other tutor-on-a-stick decks as a means of recursion, but in this deck it seems it won't give you enough bang for your buck. Perhaps you might consider running Drownyard Temple instead? It works well with your Dust Bowl and gives you a good outlet for excess mana.
I recommend running Green Sun's Zenith in conjunction with Dryad Arbor . The arbor on its own isn't very good -- it is effected by summoning sickness and feels bad to play as a land for turn. But Green Sun's for 0 on turn one is excellent. Additionally, later in the game Green Sun's can act as a tutor for your Reclamation Sage or Knight of Autumn to deal with a pesky artifact or enchantment.
Green-White has access to a lot of nice hatebears. I suggest Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , though that one may be a little pricey. Vryn Wingmare and Glowrider are far more affordable and only a little worse. You have a LOT of mana, so taxing non-creature spells isn't too bad for you. Also, your general is a creature on the stack, so it's not an issue with casting her. Aven Mindcensor also comes to mind, but it depends on how search-heavy your meta is.
For planeswalkers, Nissa, Vital Force is a good choice in landfall decks. Being able to cantrip lands is... good. Similarly, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip is powerful in decks with a high concentration of lands, though I recommend Vital Force much more.
For finishers, you might consider Overrun or Craterhoof Behemoth . They make your dorks into fatties, and let you swing in hard. Craterhoof is expensive these days, but pairing him with Natural Order is a Legacy Elves play that works great in EDH too. Triumph of the Hordes is another candidate for the finisher slot.
Swords to Plowshares is one of the only 1-1s I recommend in EDH. Because it is so efficient, I think it can be played even in a format typically played with 3 opponents. I do NOT recommend Path to Exile , as ramping an opponent is especially dangerous in EDH.
Card draw is always important in EDH. Because you're running so many creatures, Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence seem powerful inclusions, similar to the Shamanic Revelation you already run. After a board wipe, they may well draw you 7+ cards. Also, Slate of Ancestry is a boss.
Good luck with deck building!
1 year ago
Well, love the new updates that make it so I can't use the site how I'd like to, but hope they work for someone.
1 year ago
If this is group hug, Nature's Resurgence could be a card you wish to consider. I like this deck a lot - it is fair and it doesn't look threatening at all. I honestly do not know how to further assist you because you have most of the group hug cards I know. Job well done!
3 years ago
Keen Sense is cheaper than Snake Umbra. Mask of Memory would stick around longer than either (should a dude die) and you can use something like Creeping Renaissance to get all the discarded cards back (if that's a concern).
Elder Pine of Jukai could be interesting if you had more spirits or arcane spells (looks like you have 3 total so probably not a great fit). There could be some other spirits or arcane spells worth swapping in...a couple that seem kinda cool or would otherwise fit your theme: Arashi, the Sky Asunder, Carven Caryatid, Eidolon of Blossoms, Forked-Branch Garami, Haru-Onna, Iname, Life Aspect, Nourishing Shoal, Permeating Mass, Primordial Sage, Rending Vines, Strength of Cedars, Wear Away. Not trying to change up the vibe, just saying...
Other straight up draw cards to consider: Abundant Growth, Elemental Bond, Fecundity, Fa'adiyah Seer, Fruit of the First Tree, Garruk's Packleader, Glimpse of Nature, Hunter's Insight, Hunter's Prowess, Kavu Lair, Krosan Tusker (just to cycle it), Life's Legacy, Nature's Resurgence, Nissa's Revelation, Ohran Viper, Sylvan Library, Zendikar Resurgent.
Viridian Revel could be interesting given you seem to like artifact hate. And then there are all the Enchantresses, if you want to start loading up on enchantments, e.g. Verduran Enchantress. I think there are 4-5 available, which could become some serious card draw off simple cantrips like Abundant Growth.
This looks like a fun deck...might try my hand at a build if I have enough of the cards ;-)
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