Eidolon of Rhetoric

Eidolon of Rhetoric

Enchantment Creature — Spirit

Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn. 

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Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal
Pioneer Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Noble Legal
Hero Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Block Constructed Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
MTGO Legal
Vanguard Legal
Leviathan Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Heirloom Legal
Modern Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Casual Legal
Oathbreaker Legal

Eidolon of Rhetoric occurrence in decks from the last year

Modern:

All decks: 0.01%

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.02%

Eidolon of Rhetoric Discussion

Dango on Anafenza "Raz-Bear-y" Jam

22 hours ago

KayneMarco Kunoros isn't asymmetric like Anafenza is, nor does it stop Flash Hulk, which is precisely why someone would want to run Anafenza as a more niche anti-meta commander. More often than not you'd want to land Anafenza out on turn 2, and Kunoros is just a worse alternate redundant piece that affects you as well.

Kambal is fine for incidental lifegain, and I think it is a strong barrier for storm players to have to work through, but we have better options to consider in Eidolon of Rhetoric, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, and Ethersworn Canonist for that matchup.

Speaking of which, I've been piloting a nearly identical list for a few months now. I've since cut Ethersworn Canonist in favor of Deafening Silence, mainly because Canonist wasn't stopping the Elsha player from comboing off in my meta, and Deafening Silence specifies noncreature, so the bulk of our deck can still play around it. It's definitely worth considering in my opinion.

foxboy93 on Death and Taxes

1 day ago

Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Kataki, War's Wage, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Rule of Law, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Painful Quandary, Oppression, Leonin Arbiter - and life effects - can really help you with D&T. Having played an Alesha version of hatebears. Its sort of stax like, mostly running a low powered creature count to keep the effects nice and stacked.

Luminarch Ascension can be a decent "win con", as if you opponents are unable to oppose you, you can just bash the girls in non-stop!

GollumWasFramed on UW spirits

1 week ago

Eidolon of Rhetoric is a great sideboard piece against Phenoix and storm.

SideBae on Bantchantments for Days

3 weeks ago

I mean, I'd definitely include Sram, Senior Edificer. Argothian Enchantress also seems really strong. You might want to consider some legacy enchantress cards like Elephant Grass or Carpet of Flowers, although their power will depend pretty heavily on your meta.

I really like that you're running Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth already. You should run Arbor Elf with them... he makes more mana when lands are enchanted. In that vein, you may also have a lot of luck with Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Avacyn's Pilgrim and/or (if you're rich) Noble Hierarch. I've found a lot of players misjudge T1 mana-dorks and never play them, and they're almost always wrong not to.

You may like running cards like Rest in Peace, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Rule of Law or Deafening Silence. As a rule, these are build-arounds but in the right meta they can be very powerful.

You may also like running Green Sun's Zenith, especially if you want to run Dryad Arbor.

shwanerz88 on Zur, Lord of the Stars

1 month ago

Cool List for sure, I've got a Similar Estrid deck and I really enjoy the Enchantment base. Right off the back I would say add in Ethereal Armor for power, Auramancer for recursion, Solemnity if you wanna go towards stax, Ghostly Prison or Propagandafor protection, Swords to Plowshares for removal, Idyllic Tutor good tutor that was just reprinted, Eidolon of Rhetoric more stax, Mesa Enchantress life gain. New Heliod, Sun-Crowned and old Thassa, God of the Sea are both bomb enchantments that you can search for with Zur. Hope I was able to give you some reasonable additions. +1

BreakthroughArtist on Heliod

1 month ago

I had typed, like, 5000 characters and the site crashed

The short version: This is a collection of midrange creatures with control permanents and sorceries. That's never good. Your cuts will come from committing to one plan or another.

But Cradle of Vitality and Sunbond always go. Come on, son - you have the only playable versions of those effects in your command zone already.


Reservoir aside, if your intent is to kill people manually, why are you playing so much symmetrical mass wipe? And then there's the halfhearted mana destruction line... I'm always here for it, and you should always be ready to remind people you have the cards and could do it, but your average cmc isn't less than 2 and you aren't playing a combo, so why is this package here?

Committing entirely into or out of the control plan is ultimately how you'll cut down to 99.

As things stand, this is most closely built to be played as a midrange deck. You just have so many creatures.

If you want to play this as a control deck, the tools are out there, but you'd ultimately be using enchantments and (as many colored) artifacts as possible to turn on devotion, and then heliod and your planeswalkers (and vehicles) would be able to get around your creature wipes.

Reflecting anyway in its current midrange form:

-treasure map: Your current list lacks the tools or even the curve to support this control tool. This could just be a Wayfarer's Bauble

-Hushbringer: Karlov can't be bothered to dance with it, and he only runs the soul sisters.

-Path to exile: Being in artifact/white, you can just run good cards. This should be a Dispatch if you aren't actually running path to ramp yourself. Don't forget your Ancient Den .

-Myriad Landscape is awful. This should be Inventors' Fair anyway. Or at least something should be - you're running too many lands as it is, even with armageddon.

-you're gonna nykthos off of 30 permanents? I think you meant to type Eidolon of Rhetoric

-mikaeus without an army of dice just isn't worth the space

-hedron archive has to tap several times before it's sacrificed for cards in order for it to have been worth the trouble - this shouldn't have made the cut before Commander's Sphere . you can play Cryptic Caves in the land line, too.

-thran dynamo isn't doing anything for you; you'd likely be better off with a gift of estates (and then an orescoes explorer, a boreas charger...) At this point, you could build like you have a Land Tax and go all in: Lotus Field , Lotus Vale , Karoo , Remote Farm ... and then you could justify that crucible of worlds.

you forgot Aven Mindcensor

wisegreenbean on Pioneer Spirits

2 months ago

Hi! Fellow Pioneer lover. I run a more aggressive, traditional spirits list, but I think your more midrange oriented list is cool too! I had a few thoughts though...

The maindeck Rest in Peace and Eidolon of Rhetoric are hyper specific answers. You probably don't want them main deck, they're just not going to do anything in most situations. If you're desperate to have maindeck graveyard hate for some reason, Remorseful Cleric is a little more reasonable generically.

Supreme Verdict in not probably a great pick for a deck that wins with a wide board of creatures. I appreciate that you want a sweep, but Settle the Wreckage is probably more the effect you're looking for. I know that you can 'combo' verdict with Selfless Spirit , but there's no need to force yourself to find a combo.

Render Silent probably isn't the counterspell you're looking for; it's expensive with low upside. Spell Pierce is more traditional, but if you're trying for a longer game, maybe Absorb is more what you want. The hardest matchups are aggressive decks and decks full of removal, so life gain is pretty relevant text.

Archangel Avacyn  Flip is a common include for slightly larger spirit decks, as Teferi, Time Raveler . You might also get value out of a few Bygone Bishop .

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