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Eidolon of Rhetoric
Enchantment Creature — Spirit
Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.
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Eidolon of Rhetoric Discussion
1 week ago
After a night of playtesting I have seen that the combo routes proved to be very brutal. In our meta, where lots of disruption is eminent, it is vital to take the lead (ramp package present) and stax your opponents the moment your first infinite route goes disrupted. With this package you buy time to re-order your pieces and retry for a second infinite loop. Recurring from being countered/controlled is also included in the package.
However, I feel there is always room to grow. These are the cuts I made for a new round of testing:
- Crop Rotation : Not vital for the combo lines and I needed room to improve
- Eidolon of Rhetoric : It was impactfull for the whole board, but also for myself after being disrupted
- Banisher Priest : Better option ready for testing available
- Kamahl, Fist of Krosa : This is one of my two relics from the past; letting go of the nostalgia...
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite : This is the second relic; there she goes...
- Nature's Claim : Enchantment removal was lacking in this build
- Tangle Wire : More impactfull stax piece
- Mangara of Corondor : Tutorable by Sisay and an emergency brake in case things go sour.
- Sensei's Divining Top : Nice synergy with Sisay. Love to try this out.
- Aura of Silence : Needed more enchantment removal and extra stax benefit as bonus.
Looking forward to a next EDH night! Let me know if you got some ideas. I want to go brutal 2.0....
1 week ago
Spirit of the Labyrinth is too strong to not play imo. Even better would be Chains of Mephistopheles, the antisynergy with cantrips isn't that problematic when you consider it in deckbuilding and playing...on top of that Rule of Law, Arcane Laboratory and/or Eidolon of Rhetoric are really strong choices for a control Zur.
We have a control Zur in our local playgroup, if you want to compare:
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It's in the tuning process, so not finished at all, but it already works fine. While Zur is a great engine, you shouldn't rely on him too much and you also won't need too many targets because being able to search two or three turns in a row must already be enough...you can't really expect to get more uses from the commander because everyone knows that letting Zur attack isn't a trick.
1 week ago
lazarus923 I def agree with replacing pilgrim for heirarch, and i have Stony Silence in the sideboard right now. Eidolon of Rhetoric would make for another good sideboard card, but what would you suggest removing for Renegade Rallier? He seems like he'd be useful for both reviving mana dorks and recurring fetches, but I'm not certain what would would be worth removing.
1 week ago
If you have any sort of green + white or blue and want mana dorks i'd def say put in Noble Hierarch aside from birds. So I'd say remove [Avacyn's Pilgrim] for Noble Hierarch
3 weeks ago
You miss some one mana creature drops, Hopeful Eidolon could fill in this niche. Also, remove Stab Wound for 4 copies of Ethereal Armor, it does wonders in enchantment heavy decks. Plus, you need something to pump your creatures up to swing for lethal or at least put pressure.
A good sideboard card would be Eidolon of Rhetoric, a very fitting card against storm decks.
I don't know how to feel about Master of the Feast without Fate Unraveler, especially 4 copies of this gluttonous demon. If you want a flying enchantment demon that badly I would recommend Herald of Torment.
3 weeks ago
Big fan of Spirit tribal, your list looks good however running 4 copies of Selfless Spirit (and your creature count in general) without any draw power can cause them to clog up your hand.
Some card ideas to think about;
Aether Vial + Eidolon of Rhetoric If you can manage the budget for this, these two cards work really well together and can give you the option of going 3 mana heavy spirits (which is the majority of your creature list).
What do you think and if you need any other options let me know!
1 month ago
Also, since so many decks straight-up out-tempo Mayael, i'm tinkering with a build with cards like Eidolon of Rhetoric and Sphere of Safety, to go ALONG with Iona, Shield of Emeria, Dragonlord Dromoka, Void Winnower, and Grand Abolisher. I guess I would rather my deck just be faster and more consistent, but slowing the table down seems to help me keep pace. A number of my fellow players are CEDH players, and it seems there are several competitive decks that are effective using a stax-style. Personally, I'm just trying to find a build strategy that works, and this primer is quite inspiring when I feel like getting back to the basics.
No Wayward Swordtooth in the list?
1 month ago
I think you may want of have a copy of Natural State in this deck, as it hits the main two worst stax pieces for the combo, Sphere of Resistance and Torpor Orb, as well as Damping Matrix, but no one runs Damping Matrix. If you see some Blood Pod, though it won't hit Pod, it does work against many of their cards from Rule of Law/Eidolon of Rhetoric to some of the prior mentioned stax pieces, all at instant speed for a single .