Eidolon of Rhetoric


Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Hero Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Heirloom Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Casual Legal
MTGO Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Magic Duels Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Journey into Nyx (JOU) Uncommon

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Eidolon of Rhetoric

Enchantment Creature — Spirit

Each player can't cast more than one spell each turn.

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Eidolon of Rhetoric Discussion

Xica on Suggestions to be a Better ...

2 days ago

BW death and taxes, despite appearances is a 3 color deck with one of (if not THE) greediest manabase in the format.
On the upside it has better nutdraws, on the downside it manascrews itself more often, and is a lot more vulnerable to blood moon.

While modern is a cheaty format, death and taxes is a cheaty deck.
You can blow up your opponent's lands
You can play creatures that give 0 fucks about 12/12 Death's Shadow for B - Mirran Crusader
You can screw wit hthe number of spells that can be cast, or card that can be drawn in a single turn - Spirit of the Labyrinth, Eidolon of Rhetoric
(Not to mention that agains storm card like Dryad Militant & Kambal, Consul of Allocation offer even more game)

The deck is very far from being a dead, useless jank - like some posters portray it. Like it or not it can't be THAT bad if it consistently puts up results.

DidiTheOne on White and Blue Taxes

3 days ago


I think you have too many high CMC cards, I think I would replace 2 x Baneslayer Angel by 2 x Luminarch Ascension.

Maybe you need some removals like Oblivion Ring.

Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Thorn of Amethyst target you too and you have 16 non-creature spells. I would probably remove 2 x Thorn of Amethyst and 2 x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. I would replace them with 4 x Chancellor of the Annex.

I love Eidolon of Rhetoric and Spirit of the Labyrinth, more !

Selfless Spirit could protect your creatures, you need to protect them.

Thraben Inspector and/or Mind Stone to draw in opponent's turn.

I also really like cards like Norn's Annex, Emeria, The Sky Ruin, Leonin Arbiter or Cavern of Souls for this kind of decks.

mmcgeach on Sisay Stax

1 week ago

@meowndabout Nice questions! Glad to help with this. I changed the write up slightly, to include a sample blue print for playing the deck. That answers some of your questions, other ones are below.

Fauna Shaman - usually you discard extra mana elves (which aren't that great in the mid-game) to get actual stax pieces or utility creatures. But, also, you can just discard anything. It turns each creature into a Worldly Tutor + free card draw.

Loyal Retainers - this is actually best with Iona, Shield of Emeria, which is decent to run if your meta has some mono-colored decks. However, it's worth leaving in the deck even without Iona, just to get back anything that happens to get killed. It's pretty good reanimation, just by itself.

The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - Actually, Magus of the Tabernacle is a pretty good replacement. Tabernacle is here mostly to combat other decks that rely on creatures and mana elves (like us), but have a harder time tutoring for Gaea's Cradle. To perform this function, another answer is Defense of the Heart. Magus might be better since it's a creature and slides under your Thorn of Amethyst effects.

Nullstone Gargoyle - this is a new card I'm testing. It's easily hard-castable with Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. And it's a pretty strong lock with Eidolon of Rhetoric. Yes, if I could get this lock together, I'd just cast creature after that.

Recruiter of the Guard - you just get whatever you need for the situation you're in. Get whatever stops your opponents the hardest. You have to know how your opponent's strategies work.

Sanctum Prelate - pretty much always names 2 or 3. These stop boardwipes that sneak under Gaddock Teeg; on three you stop: Toxic Deluge and Fire Covenant; on two you stop Cyclonic Rift and Pyroclasm. I usually pick either 2 or 3 based on which board wipe I'm more afraid of at the moment; but in either case you end up shutting off large parts of your opponents' decks.

Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - this is becoming less important in this list; however I think it's still probably good enough to run. Yeah, you just get whatever is most helpful. You can either get Quirion Ranger on 1 to activate Yisan or Sisay twice per turn, or you get Sylvan Safekeeper to guard Sisay against spot removal. After that, you know, get whatever you need.

Crop Rotation - there's a lot of strong lands in the list. Strip Mine and Horizon Canopy are very good with Ramunap Excavator. You can also get Tabernacle. You can get one of the ramp-lands like Gaea's Cradle, nykthos, or Ancient Tomb. If possible, you should always sacrifice a Flagstones of Trokair.

Creature tutors - You get whatever you really need top stop what your opponents are doing. These tutors let you get non-legendary creatures tho, so sometimes you can get Sanctum Prelate or Eidolon of Rhetoric or Spirit of the Labyrinth if one of those seems really appropriate, or you're in a winning position already, you can go for the kill with Shaman of the Forgotten Way or a lock with Nullstone Gargoyle.

Enlightened Tutor - yes, frequently the most powerful thing to get with this is Living Plane, although there's a lot of great artifact/enchantment stax pieces you may want, particularly Rest in Peace, Null Rod or Sphere of Resistance. It can get ramp in Mana Crypt or Carpet of Flowers. It can also get Lightning Greaves which can be great for Sisay. This card is awesome in this list.

Ancient Tomb is good ramp; Temple of the False God is unplayable crap. There's lots of games where you never get to 5 lands.

Gemstone Caverns, Chrome Mox - these are ramp, which is totally critical. You just exile whatever you don't need. Try to prioritize playing a turn 1 or 2 stax piece with these ramp cards. Also think about when you will play Sisay. If you have these ramp cards, try to set up a sequence where you play a stax card turn 1, a mana creature turn 2, and SIsay turn 3.

Null Rod, Stony Silence - these only shut off our artifact ramp, not our creature ramp. Only play them if they're going to hurt your opponents more than they hurt you. But the deck is pretty much designed so that it's usually pretty asymmetric, although certain hands and board states can make it more nuanced.

Carpet of Flowers - just any other stax piece, maybe Reclamation Sage or Scavenging Ooze, depending on what your meta needs.

Arid Mesa, Marsh Flats - originally I wanted to hedge against running all the fetches with Root Maze, which makes fetches freaking terrible. However, this could be revisited.

You can totally run snow lands if you want to.

Grand Abolisher - I haven't wanted this; usually I'd rather have more Thorn of Amethyst effects - Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare, which make counter spells really hard to use.

Containment Priest - this or Scavenging Ooze is a fine card if your metagame has a lot of reanimator decks. It does hurt our own reanimation (and Yisan), so I wouldn't play it by default.

Solemnity - this doesn't do anything...

Growing Rites of Itlimoc  Flip - I don't think this is worth a 3-cmc non-creature spell. :(

Ashes of the Abhorrent - This can work if your meta has a lot of reanimation or storm...

Disenchant - I'd rather run Reclamation Sage, then maybe Manglehorn.

wisegreenbean on Doomweaver's Impact

3 weeks ago

Master Trinketeer is too slow and clunky for modern. 4 mana to make a 1/1 isn't good enough, and if you want a lord effect, look no further than Signal Pest. Notably, he even buffs your remaining non-artifact creatures.

Sideboard, you can run a very cheap suite of reasonable things that'll help in a big way, including...Dragon's Claw, Tormod's Crypt, Wear, Eidolon of Rhetoric, etc. You can acquire a decent selection of all of them up to 15 cards for under $5, and they should vastly improve your burn, dredge, storm, and artifact matchups.

goblinguiderevealpls on Staples for Nekusar

3 weeks ago

also i forgot to mention

in my primer i talk about how wheels enable opponents not just due to mass card draw but the aforementioned filling of graveyards, since graveyard interaction is such a huge threat in EDH like this thread has discussed, cards like Bojuka Bog and Rakdos Charm are an absolute must to curb said graveyard threats

theres plenty of other options such as Leyline of the Void but i find the above 2 to be the easiest to cast, and rakdos charm comes with creature hate and artifact removal to boot, and they really help you get value from Timetwister effects when you shuffle your whole deck and they have no graveyard to shuffle away

cheap cmc countermagic like Pact of Negation and Force of Will are also essential, so you can deter major threats to your game plan such as hosers like Spirit of the Labyrinth

lastly, Memory Jar can be extremely abused in nekusar in that you can clone it with Sculpting Steel, Phyrexian Metamorph etc to exile multiple hands of 7 from your opponents deck, and you can discard what you dont want exiled to mind over matter or dream halls to get around exiling your own spells

EnerGyViaL on Esper Spirits - Modern

1 month ago

The reason youre esper is Lingering Souls so wanna have always atleast 4x copies of that.

I would also ditch Elixir of Immortality its bit expensive and gives only 5 life for 3 mana? no thanks, for burn or aggro matchups we have Leyline of Sanctity Blessed Alliance Countersquall or Eidolon of Rhetoric

knightsoftheround on Eternal Swords AKA Four Color Sword - Magic Aids

1 month ago

Hey Sombrereo, thanks for comment. I have thought about both pretty heavily but decided against them. Geist of Saint Traft does work really, really well with swords...(it's kind of dumb how fun it is) but I decided against him because of wrath effects. The deck runs lots of value creatures and the main way any deck has a chance of out valuing the creatures and Collected Company is to 1 for ???(many things). Geist dies either way. When a deck runs single target removal, Spellskite acts as a single turn hexproof for them, as well as protection for the swords, which seems to be enough against a lot of things. Noble Hierarch is great but that black mana though...it's too important. Birds of Paradise also has flying, and a 0/1 with evasion equipped with a sword is better than a 0/1 without evasion. Thanks for your comment again! The deck is super fun to play...p.s. Eidolon of Rhetoric against storm is one of my favorite plays.

TheRedGoat on you don't need mana to play magic!!!!

1 month ago

So why use Eidolon of Rhetoric when Rule of Law is a thing? If nothing else, would you tell me what you think of Chancellor of the Annex in this build? Too high a cost for their ability perhaps or would it be worth it?

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