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1 week ago
My first thought was that you clearly know how to build a deck, and my second was that some of the choices are a bit subpar, which is to be expected when filling 99-slots, rather than the 10ish cards you'd select for a 60-card deck. I would lose low-impact cards like Spellbook, The Royal Scions, and Sentinel Tower. Thought Vessel , Dack Fayden , and a 36th land are the first 3 swaps I would make. If you're building on a budget versus friends who have the budget for better manabases, take advantage of that with Blood Moon , Ruination , and Back to Basics . If not, then I would use Niv-Mizzet, Parun as the commander and shore up the manabase. Also, no Ophidian Eye and Curiosity ? Finally, take a look at the EDHREC page for Niv. It's really the best tool for building EDH decks. I'd also check out Saffron Olive's 3 Biggest Commmander Deck Building Mistakes.
1 month ago
You are correct in that Coalition Relic is better than Manalith - in the right deck. I have no methods of proliferate or tap-dance. As a result, I can not pile charge counters onto the Relic. Effectively, all I will ever get out of it at one time is a single mana of the color of my choice. This is the same value I get out of Manalith , for the exact same CMC. It's not that Relic is bad - it's that my deck is not designed to optimize it.
Heart of Ramos is an amazingly beautiful card. I run the Relics in a lot of decks. I actually run Eye of Ramos and Skull of Ramos in my Silumgar, the Drifting Death deck for that very reason. The reason I did not include it within this deck is simply because I don't have need for a lot of stones. The ones I do have seem fine enough. Sure, I could get 1x additional , but I don't think in this particular deck is worth the slot for the card for a one-time use. In other words, to me the value of +1 in addition to the normally produced is less valuable than a card that remains on the field.
I honestly overlooked Thran Dynamo . Totally forgot it. I think I should replace Gilded Lotus . The triple colorless is easy to overcome since I'm only using one color, and it works perfect for mana dedicated toward stones. It might not speed up my deck by a whole lot, but it will see some slight improvement. Also, it gives me another card to free-cast off of Sunbird's Invocation when I cast my limited number of 4-drop spells, such as Crucible of Fire and Thunderbreak Regent .
Ruination and Winter Orb are great locks on the game. I could very easily slip them into the deck. The reason I don't want to is merely because I'm not that kind of player. It's not a bad suggestion; It's that I don't feel comfortable sitting down with a group of people and basically telling them they can't play Magic. If I wanted to do that, I'd play mono-blue ;)
The reason I literally run zero Instant and / or Sorcery spells is because I needed to make room for all my Dragons! Haha, joking aside the reason I didn't go with these in this deck is because I specifically sought out Dragons and Enchantments that have Instant / Sorcery-like impacts on the game. The main theme of the deck is a Dragon deck, but I'd say the archetype is strictly burn with the massive amount of non-combat damage I can very easily and steadily spread around. Effectively, my Dragons act with secondary functions, which allows me to double my resource value while honing in on synergy.
I honestly have not considered Sneak Attack , Bacon God, or even Etali, Primal Storm . All three of these would be great additions. I'll have to see what I can safely cut. I already have cheating aspects with Sunbird's Invocation , so adding another one or two would really help tie that into the synergy as well, rather than having it as a one-off gimmick.
Thanks for your suggestions! I'll get looking at what I can slot in and where :D
This deck to sort of be my love-child. It's everything I love in Magic:
- Big-ass stupid plays
- Ramp / Reduction
- Massive amounts of damage
- Archenemy style gameplay
- Giant boardstates
- And did I mention MOTHER F***ING DRAGONS?!
I'll admit, I fully intend on buying this deck and even pimping it out over time. So the suggestions really do help :D thanks!
1 month ago
Also, no instants or sorceries? You really went all-in on the theme haha. Still, I'd test out Ruination and Winter Orb here, to lock things down once you drop some powerful dragons and prevent board wipes.
Have you considered Sneak Attack and the Bacon God? Both let you cheat in some powerful dragons ahead of curve ;)
1 month ago
You're going to have to run a lot of symmetrical effects (hit all players) and then run cards to get around them yourself. In a 4 player pod, if you 1 for 1 trade cards from hand for opponents lands, you're going to be really far behind. You start with 7 cards, while your opponents collectively have 21 cards. 1 for 1 trades are not the way to go about building this deck.
Now, some ways to negate the drawback
- Boros Garrison and other bouncelands -> lets you get more from untapping just 1 land, and the bounce resets a land to enter untapped again
- Lands that tap for 2+ mana -> Ancient Tomb City of Traitors Gaea's Cradle most of these are expensive-ish. Also check out depletion lands Remote Farm its a full cycle and they cheap.
- Permanent untap effects -> Seedborn Muse and similar
- Lots of artifact or creature based mana. Signets and Talismans are great in five color budget.
Next, some cards that destroy lands or hate on lands. Armageddon Boil Choke Flashfires Acid Rain Ravages of War Destructive Force Contamination Blood Moon Magus of the Moon Tsabo's Web Omen of Fire Strip Mine Wasteland Impending Disaster Tectonic Break Ruination Wildfire
Then we run some cards that let us recur lands, or like when lands break Ramunap Excavator Crucible of Worlds Life from the Loam Terravore The Gitrog Monster Titania, Protector of Argoth Splendid Reclamation
Add some lands matter cards, some ramp, and some good beaters, and you have a deck.
1 month ago
@DespairFaction: You cannot compare geddon effects to Cataclysm and Jokulhaups . The latter are late-game combo pieces with Teferi's Protection , Boros Charm and now, Brought Back . They're our go-to spells when the game gets out of control. As you correctly pointed out, geddon effects are proactive--they're resource denial spells, much like Ruination , Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon . I've talked about them before and why I do not play them. I prefer the one-sided nature of Ruination and because it doesn't require us to have a board presence to hurt players with high-tiered, 3-, 4- or 5-color decks. In addition, my experience is that moon effects will accomplish the same thing (resource denial) more effectively (they don't require board presence to take high-tiered decks out of the game).
Regarding Smothering Tithe , here's the reply that I gave to another user who asked me the same question: "The card ramps like crazy because no one ever pays for it (unless 1v1'ing or 2v1'ing) and has pretty good synergy with Akiri (each treasure is a +1/+0). That said, unless you have a reliable way of spending the mana it generates, the card is only okay. Say, if our commanders had an activated ability like Thrasios, Triton Hero , this card would be very good because it would allow us to use the mana to generate card advantage. However, that's not the case and this makes me very reluctant to play smothering tithe here. I've no doubt that frenzy takes precedence over smothering tithe in any boros list. Our main issue is card advantage and we need all the help we can get to generate card advantage, not necessarily ramp. However, it also works pretty well with jokulhaups, so that might be something to consider. I guess I'll have to test it at some point." I've not tested it yet. The option you mentioned to find it with the enchant tutors is unrealistic. If you can search for enchantment, your priority will usually be something like (1) Blood Moon (resource denial) or (2) Grasp of Fate (removal) or (3) Land Tax (land tutor for card draw engines) or (4) Outpost Siege (card draw) or if none of that matters, (5) Smothering Tithe (ramp / combo with draw seven).
Chaos Warp is garbage. Please do not play it.
I do not play Orim's Chant . Think you were trying to say Orim's Thunder , which is an instant speed 2-for-1 spell. Highly undervalued and underplayed in multiplayer edh. That's quite far from being an odd card choice in a RW list.
I agree with your observation about how the deck should be changed depending on the meta. This was pointed out in the description and in previous comments.
Let me know if you put together a proper alternative version of this akiri-bruse, aggro-control list. I'd gladly mention it in my description.
2 months ago
Silent Arbiter would work great as while, i wouldn't exile it when Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger enters the battlefield. It is always good to have basic lands in the deck, it helps avoid being mana screwed from cards like Ruination . this would also give you a reason to keep Walker of the Wastes . honestly, you only need one planeswalker which is Ugin, the Ineffable , the others are not as useful to you in an eldrazi deck, though all have great loyalty abilities, aren't as useful, and become targeted very quickly
2 months ago
Hey N3M3S1S! Welcome to EDH. I hope you find it fun... I like this format the most. Hopefully you'll find these suggestions helpful:
Card-draw is one of the most important elements of any EDH deck -- in a format with three opponents, you typically want any source of card advantage you can get. Not being in blue means you don't have access to Windfall and friends, but Mardu has its fair share of mass-draw effects. I highly suggest Painful Truths ... You'll frequently be casting it as a three-mana draw-three, and the life-loss is more than worth it. Other draw-spells to consider: Night's Whisper , Minions' Murmurs , Faithless Looting , Syphon Mind , Read the Bones , Commune with Lava , Sign in Blood ... I'm sure there're more, but they aren't coming to mind. Permanent-based card-advantage is even better, since it's... well... permanent. Consider some of the following: Twilight Prophet , Phyrexian Arena , Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Greed ... I love that you already have Necropotence .
Multi-for-One removal is another way to build card-advantage -- cards like Go for the Throat , Anguished Unmaking , Mortify and Path to Exile are good in two-player formats, but in multiplayer I've often found them not to be good enough. Some cards to consider instead: Fire Covenant , Grasp of Fate , Wear / Tear ... Though it's a one-for-one, I think you should include Swords to Plowshares . It only removes one thing, but it's like... REALLY efficient. Path to Exile ramping your opponent is actively dangerous.
Consider Cover of Darkness as another way to capitalize on your tribal theme. Other tribal-powering cards to consider include: Cavern of Souls , Patriarch's Bidding , Vampire Nocturnus , Bloodlord of Vaasgoth , Malakir Bloodwitch and Champion of Dusk . I suggest removing Gifted Aetherborn Paladin of Atonement , Pitiless Pontiff and/or Vampire Cutthroat for some of these.
Your artifact-ramp package has room for improvement. I like your signets... two-mana rocks are much better than three-mana rocks. Consider some or all of the following: Talisman of Conviction , Talisman of Hierarchy , Talisman of Indulgence , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , Arcane Signet , Prismatic Lens or even just Coldsteel Heart .
I think Lightning Greaves is probably better than Swiftfoot Boots , if you want to be able to equip frequently. If you need to get around the shroud, you can move the boots to something else, do what you need, and then return the boots to the first creature.
If you take my advice from (5), you can cut some lands. In general, if you have ramp and your curve is low, you can run 31 or 32 lands. With your current curve, I suggest 35 lands plus ramp. If you want to keep your basic land count high, you can run things like Blood Moon , Ruination , etc. Otherwise, here're some non-basics to consider: City of Brass , Mana Confluence , Prismatic Vista , Godless Shrine , Blood Crypt and Sacred Foundry .
Right. Good luck have fun!
3 months ago
Hey man! I have a few suggestions; feel free to ignore any/all of them.
In Vintage, there's an idea called 'Xerox.' This refers to replacing a small portion of your land-base with low-cost cantrips, which can help you find lands if you need them, or dig you past them if you don't. The best ones currently available are Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm ; I suggest you at least run Ponder and Preordain instead of two Snow-Covered Island s. The reason I'm not so adamant about Brainstorm is that, sans land-based shuffle effects, you're very likely to get stuck with cards you don't want on top of your deck a good amount of the time. If you want to run it, I suggest running at least four fetch lands (like Prismatic Vista or Flooded Strand ). Other cantrips to consider are: Sleight of Hand , Impulse , Serum Visions , Opt , etc.
I don't know how this deck plays, but I do not think the Urza's lands are very good in EDH. It takes some effort to assemble tron in a four-of, sixty card format like modern; in EDH, getting all three of these specific lands can be a huge amount more trouble than it's worth. I suggest just running basic Island s instead, since these produce blue mana and don't die to your own Back to Basics or an opposing Blood Moon / Ruination / Wasteland .
I don't know what the budget on this deck is, but since you're running Power Artifact , I assume it's high. I suggest running Grim Monolith in addition to your Basalt Monolith -- the Power Artifact -combo still works, and this one has the advantage of being mana-positive if you cast it early game.
Mox Opal is really good. It's about $100, but in an artifact deck it is always an all star. If able, run it; if you can't but your group allows proxies, print one out.
I don't think the Darksteel Forge -with- Nevinyrral's Disk combo is very good. It's a lot of mana to get online, and your opponents will have a turn to react (since Nevinyrral's Disk ETBs tapped). I think more mana rocks, like Mind Stone or Everflowing Chalice , are probably better. Especially since you already have Cyclonic Rift with a Mystical Tutor to get it.
Since I've never played with this list, I don't know exactly how the games will go. However, if you find them going long frequently enough (maybe around 50% of the time), you may have some luck with Muddle the Mixture as a tutor. Normally, I dislike this card, as the transmute ability is only sorcery speed and three mana can be a lot to pay. However, it gets so many pieces of your combos, I think it may be worth including; it can fetch up Isochron Scepter , Dramatic Reversal , Power Artifact and (if you should choose to run it) Grim Monolith . It also can get non-combo cards like Cyclonic Rift in a pinch.
There're some cool U artifact tutors to consider. If you want cards on par with your Power Artifact , Transmute Artifact is a pretty busted card that'll grab your combo pieces when you need them. (Side note: Basalt Monolith also goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth ; idk if you want to run it, but I figured I'd mention it.) Reshape can be a redundant, if significantly less powerful, Whir of Invention .
You may benefit from two or three more mass card-draw effects. I think you should run either Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (but not both, since delve can get in its own way), as well as one or two other spells like Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Chemister's Insight , etc. Notice that, except for Treasure Cruise , these are all instants.
I think you may have overlooked Spell Snare as a counterspell. I think this card is, in general, highly underrated in EDH; however, I think it would be especially good here. It is a hard counter for a very frequent CMC, and can easily get rid of an unwanted Demonic Tutor , Sylvan Library or Cyclonic Rift . Better yet, it counters Null Rod , Collector Ouphe , Stony Silence , Kataki, War's Wage , Gaddock Teeg , Thorn of Amethyst and Lavinia, Azorius Renegade . It's cheap enough that leaving up mana for it isn't a problem, and it can keep you from getting hosed pretty well.
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