Thorn of Amethyst
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Thorn of Amethyst Discussion
1 day ago
If you can get your hands on some of the 0 mana artifacts some are quite expensive but they definitely beef up the raw power of the deck; I'd proxy before buying any, some have a hefty price tag
Additionally, stax pieces really help you stay in the game
Last but definitely not least some degenerate finishers
3 weeks ago
GrizzlyAtom: Just wanted to say that I absolutely loved the list! Safe to say you hit the nail on the head on almost all of your choices. However, I do highly recommend you make a couple of changes for the general consistency of the deck.
Seeker of Skybreak : Same thing as before, though considerably weaker since you NEED the dork to be out, so this is a potential dead draw or another 2 drop 1 mana dork.
Krosan Restorer : I get the need to overload the deck with repetitive effects, but this can over saturate your deck with non impactful creatures.
Greenweaver Druid : This is just bad, even with the cost reduction.
Elvish Piper : With the lack of high cmc creatures, this is just a gimmicky card we wish can always run.
Elvish Harbinger : Though being a two thanks to Nylea, top of the deck tutors aren't too great.
Sword of the Paruns ; As you said, 7 mana is too much.
Elvish Guidance / Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip: I get why you want to run this, but it ain't worth it to run both. I'd drop the Rites over the Guidance, since you can use Arbor Elf on a forest with guidance.
Leyline of Lifeforce : You have enough of this effect, even if this would be super awesome turn 0.
Once Upon a Time : Doesn't scale too well in EDH.
These won't be direct swaps to the cuts and more of a series of cards that you should highly consider as I don't want to cramp your style.
Emergence Zone : Adds the ability to set up OR win on someone elses' turn for a land swap.
Oakhame Adversary : Draw to get your combo pieces and an elf for your count. More often or not a 2 drop in most cEDH metas and a 1 drop in some cases for you.
Runic Armasaur : More draw, draw from fetches and creature based combos.
Seedborn Muse : I know what you're thinking, "I barely have instants". Your commander is an indestructible digger, every turn you'd get to refill your hand.
The Stax pieces: Go for them, you have the outlet in the command zone and you break parity with mana dorks and a cost reducer at the helm. Tangle Wire , Trinisphere . Root Maze , Manglehorn , Collector Ouphe , Null Rod , Winter Orb , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance and maybe Defense Grid are worth it. Hall of Gemstone :Not good because it can lock out interaction that could be needed to stop another player.
Great Oak Guardian : Recognize that your wins are generated by untaps, and an instant speed board untapper is a recipe for success. It can also save your field from damage wipes and goes infinite with Temur Sabertooth . Also makes Tooth and Nail better.
Carpet of Flowers : Ridiculous ramp, 100% must.
Beast Within : Catch-all removal in monogreen. Definitely a staple.
I hope this helps, I love the deck, will be keeping up with it. Final recommendation would be to use a similar categorization that I used in Yeva for your list as it helps you visualize your deck based off function and see where it is lacking.
2 months ago
Have you heard of Whitemane Lion ? With Chulane it's a 2 mana repeatable instant speed growth spiral. On a similar note Stonecloaker does a similar thing however it also eats cards from graves at instant speed. If you're feeling spiky you can combine these cards with Aluren to draw your entire library and drop every land into play. It shouldn't be hard to win from there with Laboratory Maniac , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , or even Altar of the Brood . Just remember Chulane's ability is mandatory so you'll have to remove him before you go for the win or you might draw yourself to death.
There are a few hate cards I'm surprised you haven't included like Gaddock Teeg , Remorseful Cleric , Containment Priest , Leonin Arbiter , Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Rest in Peace , Archon of Valor's Reach , and Aura Shards . The newer Ranger-Captain of Eos pulls his weight as well by grabbing dorks and accessory creatures like Giant Killer while having the ability to entirely shut down non-creature spells which is great for comboing out that turn or just preventing a board wipe from an opponent on their turn.
Simple tax effects as well give you lots of time to set up Chulane and start slamming creatures down for some great value. Cards like Aura of Silence , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Vryn Wingmare , Thorn of Amethyst , Suppression Field , Kataki, War's Wage , Energy Flux , etc.
I think flash is the greatest strength a creature based deck can have so I suggest trying out Vivien, Champion of the Wilds , Vedalken Orrery , Leyline of Anticipation , or Yeva, Nature's Herald to go alongside your Teferi.
Lastly you should include Eternal Witness as some grave recursion and you can abuse the body via bonce or Sun Titan.
3 months ago
So I'm not sure, but I don't think Tendrils of Agony is very good in EDH. In general, you need a storm count of around 40+ to kill everyone with it (assuming they've taken significant damage beforehand), so I think your Aetherflux Reservoir is probably just a better storm win condition. Also, if you cut Tendrils of Agony for a cheaper card, it won't ding you so hard off Ad Nauseam . I have a similar problem with Grapeshot .
I've never been a fan of Helm of Awakening . Your experience with it may (obviously) differ from mine, but I tend to find it a dead-ish card in my hand. Running it out and passing is obviously problematic (since the effect is symmetrical), so generally you only want to run it if you can slam it and win on the same turn. With that in mind, you may just be better off running a mana rock (something like Arcane Signet ), since you can land that early-game and benefit until the end, rather than just at the end.
If you're planning to win off of Doomsday , I think you should keep Gush in the list. Yes, it is 5 damage of Ad Nauseam , but being able to dig two-deep and potentially snag a land-drop for free after a Doomsday is REALLY powerful.
In my Kess list, I run Dack Fayden . I really like him, and you should at least consider running him. The loot effect is significant, but being able to steal a Sol Ring or Mana Crypt from an opponent is even better.
You have a good number of mana-positive rocks... have you considered running Paradoxical Outcome ? It seems like kinda a funky choice, but I run it in my Kess storm list and I've had pretty good results with it. Obviously it'll be better once you get a Mox Diamond , but even with just the Chrome Mox , Mana Vault and friends it'll be pretty good.
My last suggestion is that you consider running Spell Snare . A lot of the hate that turns off decks like this is two mana (see Collector Ouphe , Gaddock Teeg , Rest in Peace , Stony Silence , Null Rod , Sphere of Resistance , Thorn of Amethyst , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Chains of Mephistopheles ), as are mana counterspells and even a few always-plays like Cyclonic Rift . I think Spell Snare is a highly underrated card, provided you're playing at a competitive table, so... yeah. I think you should consider it.
3 months ago
I'd recommend the addition of Fleetfoot Panther , Kor Skyfisher , Ephara, God of the Polis , Whitemane Lion , and/or Stonecloaker . Glimpse of Nature is banned. Glowrider is a cheaper Thorn of Amethyst for budget and drawing cards. Land-based ramp tends to be more defended against removal such as Vandalblast and Austere Command , so Kodama's Reach and Cultivate would be a worthy inclusion. Chulane himself is a massive target on board, so Soul of the Harvest and Primordial Sage are worthy backups. Rest in Peace could be replaced with Remorseful Cleric , but that's personal preference.
4 months ago
speaks the truth and posted the bomb cards. I would add some wide stuff to get ahead in advantage as well, Wildest Dreams (extremely underrated card imo especially for casual) Harmonize Regal Force Shamanic Revelation
Overall, I think MLD is an extremely viable strategy, but as mentioned before, timing is crucial. If you drop it after securing a much stronger board state than anyone else, you've almost definitely sealed the game.
People get unhappy pretty fast because they want to actually play their cards, and they don't recognize that resource denial is a valid (and extremely strong) strategy. People will react similarly to a cost increaser stax deck with Sphere of Resistance Thorn of Amethyst Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Ethersworn Canonist Lodestone Golem Trinisphere Grand Arbiter Augustin IV and similar. That type of deck can shut out an entire table, but expect to have your board completely dismantled if someone slips out from your control.
I recommend bringing multiple decks to games, so you can gauge the power level if playing for fun. I have a $1100 semi competitive Kess deck that is tons of fun to play, but playing against 3 other players with a combined deck worth of $150 makes for extremely fast and boring games. Bring a battlecruiser, high powered, and competitive deck (or two high powered if you don't have a competitive) to all commander games if you don't know what the game will be like.
4 months ago
Hey man! I have a few suggestions; feel free to ignore any/all of them.
In Vintage, there's an idea called 'Xerox.' This refers to replacing a small portion of your land-base with low-cost cantrips, which can help you find lands if you need them, or dig you past them if you don't. The best ones currently available are Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm ; I suggest you at least run Ponder and Preordain instead of two Snow-Covered Island s. The reason I'm not so adamant about Brainstorm is that, sans land-based shuffle effects, you're very likely to get stuck with cards you don't want on top of your deck a good amount of the time. If you want to run it, I suggest running at least four fetch lands (like Prismatic Vista or Flooded Strand ). Other cantrips to consider are: Sleight of Hand , Impulse , Serum Visions , Opt , etc.
I don't know how this deck plays, but I do not think the Urza's lands are very good in EDH. It takes some effort to assemble tron in a four-of, sixty card format like modern; in EDH, getting all three of these specific lands can be a huge amount more trouble than it's worth. I suggest just running basic Island s instead, since these produce blue mana and don't die to your own Back to Basics or an opposing Blood Moon / Ruination / Wasteland .
I don't know what the budget on this deck is, but since you're running Power Artifact , I assume it's high. I suggest running Grim Monolith in addition to your Basalt Monolith -- the Power Artifact -combo still works, and this one has the advantage of being mana-positive if you cast it early game.
Mox Opal is really good. It's about $100, but in an artifact deck it is always an all star. If able, run it; if you can't but your group allows proxies, print one out.
I don't think the Darksteel Forge -with- Nevinyrral's Disk combo is very good. It's a lot of mana to get online, and your opponents will have a turn to react (since Nevinyrral's Disk ETBs tapped). I think more mana rocks, like Mind Stone or Everflowing Chalice , are probably better. Especially since you already have Cyclonic Rift with a Mystical Tutor to get it.
Since I've never played with this list, I don't know exactly how the games will go. However, if you find them going long frequently enough (maybe around 50% of the time), you may have some luck with Muddle the Mixture as a tutor. Normally, I dislike this card, as the transmute ability is only sorcery speed and three mana can be a lot to pay. However, it gets so many pieces of your combos, I think it may be worth including; it can fetch up Isochron Scepter , Dramatic Reversal , Power Artifact and (if you should choose to run it) Grim Monolith . It also can get non-combo cards like Cyclonic Rift in a pinch.
There're some cool U artifact tutors to consider. If you want cards on par with your Power Artifact , Transmute Artifact is a pretty busted card that'll grab your combo pieces when you need them. (Side note: Basalt Monolith also goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth ; idk if you want to run it, but I figured I'd mention it.) Reshape can be a redundant, if significantly less powerful, Whir of Invention .
You may benefit from two or three more mass card-draw effects. I think you should run either Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (but not both, since delve can get in its own way), as well as one or two other spells like Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Chemister's Insight , etc. Notice that, except for Treasure Cruise , these are all instants.
I think you may have overlooked Spell Snare as a counterspell. I think this card is, in general, highly underrated in EDH; however, I think it would be especially good here. It is a hard counter for a very frequent CMC, and can easily get rid of an unwanted Demonic Tutor , Sylvan Library or Cyclonic Rift . Better yet, it counters Null Rod , Collector Ouphe , Stony Silence , Kataki, War's Wage , Gaddock Teeg , Thorn of Amethyst and Lavinia, Azorius Renegade . It's cheap enough that leaving up mana for it isn't a problem, and it can keep you from getting hosed pretty well.
4 months ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but Timesifter happens to be one of the dumbest cards to run in colorless EDH. Most other decks are going to be doing their best to keep their curves reasonable, but since you have just buckets of colorless mana-producers your curve is going to run very high. If you run Sensei's Divining Top too, you can probably take around 80 percent of the extra turns.
Sculpting Steel is an excellent way to copy whatever your biggest mana-producer is.
I've never liked the tron lands in EDH. My reasoning is mainly that the reward is too difficult to obtain in a singleton, ninety-nine card deck, and that running more non-basics leaves you more open to attack from Back to Basics , Ruination and Wasteland . Many colorless decks already run a lot of non-basics, but you don't want to run more than you have to. I also think you're running a few too many lands, since you're also (ideally) going to be getting a lot of mana from your rocks. I think you should just do a straight trade of the tron lands for other accelerants.
There're also a few other colorless lands to consider. Cryptic Caves , I think, is better than Seraph Sanctuary ; typically you'd only gain one-ish life off the latter, and the ability to cycle Cryptic Caves late game can be very relevant. Ancient Tomb is a BOMB in most decks, especially colorless ones; if you have the ability to acquire it, run it. Thespian's Stage or Vesuva can copy a good land you want more of; Thespian's Stage is especially funny if you run Dark Depths , which also happens to interact favorably with your Mirage Mirror . Also Blast Zone . And Scorched Ruins .
In general, you want to run more two-mana rocks and fewer three-mana rocks. I don't like Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , etc. simply because if you ran two-mana rocks instead, you could land the rock turn two, untap, play a land, and then land a four-mana spell like Thran Dynamo or Hedron Archive . There're enough two-mana rocks you can run in a colorless deck that I think you may find yourself playing a turn behind where you could be, unnecessarily. Some examples: Thought Vessel , Coldsteel Heart , Everflowing Chalice , Fellwar Stone , Grim Monolith (if you're rich) and Hedron Crawler ... I think replacing the aforementioned and other three-mana rocks with some of these is definitely worth trying. If you wanted, Metalworker is probably the best three-mana dork-rock ever made, though he is around $50 these days.
Tamiyo's Journal and Oracle's Vault are good ways to generate card-advantage in colorless decks. Same goes for Staff of Nin , Mind's Eye (which goes well with Victory Chimes , if you want to leave that in) and Karn, Scion of Urza .
My last suggestion's relevance will depend largely upon your moral compass. I have no issue being a grade-A douche in games, since they're just games, and a good person in important matters; you might feel otherwise. Stax, if you're like me, is the way to go with colorless decks that makes them way better, mainly because you have so much more mana than anyone else at the table can make. Consider some or all of the following: Lodestone Golem , Trinisphere , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance , Chalice of the Void (to be cast on X = 1), Winter Orb (especially good with your rocks and if you run something like Clock of Omens ... Relic of Progenitus is good against a lot of decks, and can cycle for a card when it isn't. Grafdigger's Cage is similar. Finally, you may have luck with Tangle Wire , although that can isn't at its best in the modern day.
Right. Good luck!