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Thorn of Amethyst
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Thorn of Amethyst Discussion
3 days ago
I realize that some of these cards are combo pieces but the point of most stax decks is that you resolve a Thorn of Amethyst Smokestack or a Trinisphere and then you hopefully can ramp into Brago on turn 2 the finish off your opponents.
For me if somebody is playing cards over 5 CMC (besides one or 2 in their deck) I am not worried because I can't just win before they can possibly cast it. Especially since you are running Staxs.
The reason I think some of the really good cards in your deck are too slow is because your stax pieces are going to slow you down and you will not be able to cast them.
Well you have to be playing an insane amount of ramp anyways to hopefully cast Brago on turn 2. So you won't be limited by the amount of lands that you have. In addition you aren't running the Hide Tide combo.
One of the less scary thing in EDH is creatures. If somebody is actually planning to kill you by swinging creatures at you then you should even be worried. The only time it is bad then you are playing Ad Nauseam storm or your opponent is playing elves and will OTK you with Craterhoof Behemoth.
The only relevant clone effect you will probably get is Copy Artifact cause you can copy Sol Ring or Mana Vault. Other than that you should just be staxing them anyways meaning they can't play anything.
Angel of Invention this is bad because it is a win more card. It is a part of a 3 card combo which doesn't make you win the game. This is besides the fact that it is a 5 CMC card and hard to cast.
In terms of counterspells things like Delay Swan Song Force of Will Spell Pierce Negate Mental Misstep Trickbind are just better and easier to cast than a traditional Counterspell or Disallow and will end up being more useful against you scary opponents that actually interact with you. If you look at other people's deck you will be surprised at how little interaction people actually run. This means that most of the time at the worst you are playing a 2v1 or even a 0v1.
I think is the the difference in our mindset. You are trying to go for more value in your deck but all you need is to sculpt your hand by turn 4 at the worst and slam down enough stax to make your opponents stop playing the game.
3 days ago
Instead of having a lot of the bigger draw effects like Sphinx's Revelation or Blue Sun's Zenith you should be running things like Brainstorm Ponder Mystic Remora Preordain Serum Visions these are just better cards and just in general if you have blue in your deck you should almost always be running these cards.
You should take out the less impactful cards. These are cards like Pentarch Ward Reality Acid Solemn Simulacrum Palinchron Angel of Invention Clever Impersonator Phyrexian Metamorph Stonehorn Dignitary Luminate Primordial DuplicantAltar of the Brood Disdainful Stroke Counterspell Disallow Return to Dust Spine of Ish Sah. Admittedly some of these cards are good in a Brago deck and they are fun to play with. But you are neglecting the fact that you don't have enough ramp, or a consistent and wincon that can be tutored for. While you have the tangle wire and static orb combo as one wincon, you have a lot of random cards that in the end don't do that much.
In a competitive match you need to be throwing things like Thorn of Amethyst or Sphere of Resistance turn 1, because your opponent will be close to wining by turn 2 or 3. A stronger card that you need is Blind Obedience this will have more impact by itself than all the creatures you have combined. This is because your game plan is way too slow. For you to get real value out of your cards they must be on the battlefield for more than 1 turn. This is of course only if you are trying to be seriously competitive. Having oppressive cards like Ethersworn Canonist or Arcane Laboratory and other hatebears will actually make people hate you rather than a slow overtime value deck. Because this prevents them from even getting to play magic at all.
5 days ago
Maybe you need some removals like Oblivion Ring.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Thorn of Amethyst target you too and you have 16 non-creature spells. I would probably remove 2 x Thorn of Amethyst and 2 x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. I would replace them with 4 x Chancellor of the Annex.
Selfless Spirit could protect your creatures, you need to protect them.
1 week ago
1 week ago
@meowndabout Nice questions! Glad to help with this. I changed the write up slightly, to include a sample blue print for playing the deck. That answers some of your questions, other ones are below.
Fauna Shaman - usually you discard extra mana elves (which aren't that great in the mid-game) to get actual stax pieces or utility creatures. But, also, you can just discard anything. It turns each creature into a Worldly Tutor + free card draw.
Loyal Retainers - this is actually best with Iona, Shield of Emeria, which is decent to run if your meta has some mono-colored decks. However, it's worth leaving in the deck even without Iona, just to get back anything that happens to get killed. It's pretty good reanimation, just by itself.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - Actually, Magus of the Tabernacle is a pretty good replacement. Tabernacle is here mostly to combat other decks that rely on creatures and mana elves (like us), but have a harder time tutoring for Gaea's Cradle. To perform this function, another answer is Defense of the Heart. Magus might be better since it's a creature and slides under your Thorn of Amethyst effects.
Nullstone Gargoyle - this is a new card I'm testing. It's easily hard-castable with Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. And it's a pretty strong lock with Eidolon of Rhetoric. Yes, if I could get this lock together, I'd just cast creature after that.
Recruiter of the Guard - you just get whatever you need for the situation you're in. Get whatever stops your opponents the hardest. You have to know how your opponent's strategies work.
Sanctum Prelate - pretty much always names 2 or 3. These stop boardwipes that sneak under Gaddock Teeg; on three you stop: Toxic Deluge and Fire Covenant; on two you stop Cyclonic Rift and Pyroclasm. I usually pick either 2 or 3 based on which board wipe I'm more afraid of at the moment; but in either case you end up shutting off large parts of your opponents' decks.
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - this is becoming less important in this list; however I think it's still probably good enough to run. Yeah, you just get whatever is most helpful. You can either get Quirion Ranger on 1 to activate Yisan or Sisay twice per turn, or you get Sylvan Safekeeper to guard Sisay against spot removal. After that, you know, get whatever you need.
Crop Rotation - there's a lot of strong lands in the list. Strip Mine and Horizon Canopy are very good with Ramunap Excavator. You can also get Tabernacle. You can get one of the ramp-lands like Gaea's Cradle, nykthos, or Ancient Tomb. If possible, you should always sacrifice a Flagstones of Trokair.
Creature tutors - You get whatever you really need top stop what your opponents are doing. These tutors let you get non-legendary creatures tho, so sometimes you can get Sanctum Prelate or Eidolon of Rhetoric or Spirit of the Labyrinth if one of those seems really appropriate, or you're in a winning position already, you can go for the kill with Shaman of the Forgotten Way or a lock with Nullstone Gargoyle.
Enlightened Tutor - yes, frequently the most powerful thing to get with this is Living Plane, although there's a lot of great artifact/enchantment stax pieces you may want, particularly Rest in Peace, Null Rod or Sphere of Resistance. It can get ramp in Mana Crypt or Carpet of Flowers. It can also get Lightning Greaves which can be great for Sisay. This card is awesome in this list.
Gemstone Caverns, Chrome Mox - these are ramp, which is totally critical. You just exile whatever you don't need. Try to prioritize playing a turn 1 or 2 stax piece with these ramp cards. Also think about when you will play Sisay. If you have these ramp cards, try to set up a sequence where you play a stax card turn 1, a mana creature turn 2, and SIsay turn 3.
Null Rod, Stony Silence - these only shut off our artifact ramp, not our creature ramp. Only play them if they're going to hurt your opponents more than they hurt you. But the deck is pretty much designed so that it's usually pretty asymmetric, although certain hands and board states can make it more nuanced.
You can totally run snow lands if you want to.
Solemnity - this doesn't do anything...
Ashes of the Abhorrent - This can work if your meta has a lot of reanimation or storm...
3 weeks ago
Hey great deck I love it. I have been toying with the thought of blood pod for a while now and have a question regarding the deck. Why does the deck run Sphere of Resistance over Thorn of Amethyst? I ask because Thorn of Amethyst affects this deck less while still affecting your opponents?
1 month ago
Also since modern is diverse it's impossible to have answers to everything, sometimes you have to accept having lopsided matchups. Focus on bettering your 50/50 matchups and 60/40 matchups rather than trying to pray and hope to beat a 20/80 matchup. Frank Karsten from channel fireball wrote a fantastic article on this concept. I'll try to find it and post it on your page.