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By Force Discussion
2 days ago
Oh that is nice, one minor downside is the spell you countered might make you have bad blood with the guy with new cards, generally I have found players react like, "Oh, since you countered my spell, at least you gave me some cards, I don't mind that much," still, a few times players have been like,
"How DARE you counter my turn 2 Gilded Lotus, I was going to win next turn! Not I have to play at a normal rate and not off of my turn one Sol Ring Dimir Signet! I will spend the rest of the game using the cards you gave me to end you!"
Normally since everyone knows they are being a jerk, the next guy casts a By Force for three mana, blowing up the Sol Ring and Dimir Signet, and the next guy swings his creatures at him, so it won't matter too much, but if you play in a group where "bad blood" or holding grudges is a regular thing, Arcane Denial might not be as good as Counterspell, still, I like Arcane Denial more since it is easier to cast and there really isn't holding grudges in my playgroup.
4 days ago
I would go with a red green efficiency build. Here’s just an idea of a list.
It’s a simple strategy, play creatures when you shouldn’t and get triggers off of Sarkhan's Unsealing, Rhonas's Monument and Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma. Play fast and play bombs. The Sideboard is a little shakey and you can probley do better than I could.
1 week ago
First off, let me say that it is really cool that you have a playgroup that does multiplayer modern, only tried it once, and it was super fun.
Your game plan basically revolves around getting multiple copies Isochron Scepter into play, as that is your most consistent source of recurring damage. This makes you particularly vulnerable to artifact hate, one By Force or overloaded Vandalblast and you're out of the game. to counter this I would run 4 copies of Boros Charm in the mainboard, as one of it's would allow you to protect the rest of your permanents- including the scepter which you have placed it on, and the other would help your game plan by burning away your opponent's life. keep the scepter with boros charm up until the end step of the player before you, and then hit someone for 4, and then keep it open to protect your other permanents.
Next, you need a more reliable way of getting to your scepters, red draw spells are... pretty bad. the best one for you would be Faithless Looting I think. cards like Cathartic Reunion and Tormenting Voice could also work, but I personally prefer to choose what I discard, after I have the most possible choices. and flashback is nice too. if you can afford her Chandra, Torch of Defiance's exile ability would work pretty well for getting through your deck faster, as well as just being a really good fit for this deck.
Next, I'd cut out one or two lands, Burn decks keep the mana curve low, so they can continue to cast out their spells with everything they draw... they can't do that if they are mana flooded in the mid game. you want check out this video for getting your land count https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMuIezbw_F0 , the guy rambles a little bit, but it is good, well explained, and with solid math.
next, I'm not a fan of Figure of Destiny, you're putting in 11 mana into an 8/8 first strike flyer, that dies to any single kill spell. what I am a huge fan of in a deck like this is Monastery Mentor or budget monastery mentor, Young Pyromancer. these are giving you much better value for the mana you are spending, and it reduces the value of your opponent's spot removal, because they are giving you tokens that would have to either be removed individually, or kill the entire board. (spells copied with the scepter WILL trigger prowess and the token generation of the pyromancer).
I think that's it. Those are my recommendations.
1 week ago
@deakmana, Thanks for the comments!
Its cool to get some comments from an actual competitive perspective.
Re: Crop Rotation : The card disadvantage is real; and it might not be obvious from just reading this list, but it doesn't really need Gaea's Cradle, it's just sort of nice to have. Most of the time you want a Blood Moon effect anyway, so the Cradle gets turned off (and Scavenger Grounds, and Spinerock Knoll). Although Boseiju, Who Shelters All is an interesting suggestion.
Spinerock Knoll has been good so far. It's a nice way to get more gas at a pretty minimal cost; in many cases it doesn't even cost a card.
I'm never sad to see a one-sided wipe. Literally every competitive deck except maybe Jeleva and Teferi have creatures in play. I'm not sure if you've played any competitive EDH in the last 18 months, but there's these two commanders called Thrasios and Tymna... And those decks tend to be loaded with creatures. It's sort of a bummer that most decks actually do have a few creatures in play, frequently with stats like 1/3 or 2/2, which makes it hard to get clean attacks with the hatebears. Ezuri's Predation is just about as easy to cast as Mizzium Mortars, and is vastly superior. Not only is it disruption and mana destruction, it's nearly a game-ending threat!
re: Gamble. I tried this and cut it quickly. If you want to use it to get something you're not going to discard, then you have to do it off your opening 7. That means you're spending turn 1 playing gamble instead of a mana elf, which is just terrible. Or your spending turn 2 playing gable instead of a stax piece, which is also terrible. Then if you want to play it turn 3, you've got 3 cards left in hand. One of the benefits of this deck is that it doesn't use the graveyard... so if the tutor target gets discarded it's gone for good. In a lot of decks Gamble is good because it's a second copy of Entomb. As you can see, the opposite is true here.
Incidentally, Chrome Mox has a similar problem: basically its likely that you don't have enough spare cards to come back from the card disadvantage. The general doesn't provide card advantage, so we're not reliably ramping into something that refills the hand.
I've tried Orcish Lumberjack. It's really bad to play a turn 1 dork that might not actually make mana, which happens, if you don't have a forest. It can be strong tho. Perhaps its worth using. Have you tested it in this list?
I've also tried and cut Skullclamp. It's just slow and not good. I don't have a reliable 1-toughness token producer (like in a Tana, the Bloodsower deck), and basically token-making isn't a great route to victory. It doesn't draw off commanders and the only thing that leaves is using it to draw off mana elves after the mid-game when you don't need the mana anymore. That's just not a winning plan, anyway.
1 week ago
I specifically meant Sen Triplets, not Sharuum the Hegemon (the real artifact esper commander of choice other than Sydri, Galvanic Genius), in fact now that I think about it, Sen Triplets sucks as an esper artifact commander, and also Celestial Dawn isn't exactly an artifact combo.
Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond are enchantments, so they can be Replenished/Open the Vaultsed back with ease after a Tunnel Vision/Traumatize, and the fact they need lifeloss is easy with an unblockable hexproof commander. Neither of your "combos" win the game, let alone can be Replenished.
Celestial Dawn + Caged Sun = Double you land mana, and give it perfect fixing, minus Ancient Tomb, which now only receives fixing, and Boseiju, Who Shelters All doesn't protect you stuff, ad your artifact mana is kind of sucky now.
See what happened, a 9 mana two card combo did worse than a Mirari's Wake, which is another way of saying it sucks, together. On their own, Caged Sun does very little ramping, and it outclassed by Thran Dynamo/Gilded Lotus most of the time, which I could make an argument that they were bad, and Celestial Dawn is even worse, with this deck already having an incredibly powerful landbase, it un-ramps you with Ancient Tomb and Boseiju, Who Shelters All sucks now.
Onto the next "combo:" This one you were kind enough to even put a reason for:
Okay, Mycosynth Lattice + Unwinding Clock untaps all of your permanents (lands, artifacts and creatures mostly), along with fixing each players mana perfectly, and leaving you open to a blowout with Hellkite Tyrant, By Force, Vandalblast or Shattering Spree.
Okay, so tons of value? I mean it has a major couple of downsides, this deck is fine on its own fixing, and it fixes for all of your opponents? it is 10 mana, and can't be cheated out by Replenish, so it comes late in the game, and your opponents can probably tutor a Vandalblast up be now, so tons of value? Lets, see, if we untap every one of our permanents, every turn, what ways do we have to abuse the excess of mana? 8 things, of which 5 are instants (Cyclonic Rift, Dark Ritual, Enlightened Tutor, Mystical Tutor, and Vampiric Tutor), we can also move around Felidar Umbra a lot, activate Nomad Mythmaker, or Flickerform a little bit.
Well, yeah, and the cards are bad on their own, so it is a trash combo in this deck, despite what you said.
1 month ago
a few things to note before I begin,
i just finished making this deck 100% competitive so im still new to cedh matchups as i dont have a lot of cEDH games except with a tymna/thrasios and blood pod, so there is still room for improvement of course. however, in regards to the point of arcane denial giving card advantage, it is true, but nekusar and wheels are forcefeed by nature, so although im trying to make nekusar as viable as possible he will never be tier 1 because of how many wheels are used
i think Luxury Suite would be a good replacement to tarpit, what would you recommend? cuz its a nice combo and all but tarpit doesnt have a lot of use outside whispering madness and 7 mana is quite steep
i find crucible to be super useful, as if i have multiple lands in my hand i can play one and wheel the rest to use in later turns, albiet not as good without Exploration effects, it has still been extremely useful for me. Temporal Mastery, Capture of Jingzhou and Time Warp, the latter which i recently cut out but remains a maybe, are pseudo-explorations as i get another untap, drae phase and land for turn. but if you really think its just a cute interaction, what would you replace it with for cedh?
i just feel vandalblast is too good, it can be a sorcery Smelt at its worst, and a 1 sided pseudoShatterstorm when overloaded. also, you actually overload it with flashback with snap/yawgwill or jace. its a board wipe that By Force would usually require a shitload of mana to match the amount of targets, and abrade is far from a board wipe, i would sooner add Evacuation as another creature wipe and/or Shattering Spree because although it needs red, each replicate has to be counterspelled individually, where by force would just get force of will'd, but i will keep your suggestions under consideration, thank you for your concern
1 month ago
Thanks BlazingAbsol for the vote. I haven't had a chance to test out The Mirari Conjecture. I'll definitely try it out. Baral, Chief of Compliance might be ok. I'm not sure how well He'll do in this shell but I'm willing to explore.
I've been contemplating swapping out 1 Abrade for 1 Lightning Strike. I don't want to take out all my lightning strikes because they are game winning. There are a lot of games where my opponent gains life and I have to knock them down to 20 with lightning strike to finish them off with Fight with Fire. As for the Abrade By Force swap you may be right on the money.
Strategic Planning has been great to me. It makes my deck run so much smoother. I personally like it more than Opt for the card selection. I do have light graveyard interaction with Flood of Recollection. I still might switch it with Anticipate when the next set drops.
Nezahal, Primal Tide looks pretty sweet I'm going to find a spot for him.
1 month ago
This seems like the kind of deck that would love The Mirari Conjecture. Have you done testing with it? Also, Baral, Chief of Compliance might be sweet in the sideboard. Wait until they've taken out all their removal, then side him in.
I think Abrade is better than Lightning Strike, especially since your main/only win condition is copying a kicked Fight with Fire--3 damage to your opponent's face doesn't really do much. That would also let you cut By Force from the sideboard for something more versatile.
How has Strategic Planning been for you? Since you don't have any graveyard synergies, I'd think a different cantrip would be better.
Finally, if you're looking for another resilient win condition for the sideboard, you could try Nezahal, Primal Tide. Super hard for your opponent to kill with all of your carddraw.