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Vryn Wingmare Discussion
1 week ago
@meowndabout Nice questions! Glad to help with this. I changed the write up slightly, to include a sample blue print for playing the deck. That answers some of your questions, other ones are below.
Fauna Shaman - usually you discard extra mana elves (which aren't that great in the mid-game) to get actual stax pieces or utility creatures. But, also, you can just discard anything. It turns each creature into a Worldly Tutor + free card draw.
Loyal Retainers - this is actually best with Iona, Shield of Emeria, which is decent to run if your meta has some mono-colored decks. However, it's worth leaving in the deck even without Iona, just to get back anything that happens to get killed. It's pretty good reanimation, just by itself.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - Actually, Magus of the Tabernacle is a pretty good replacement. Tabernacle is here mostly to combat other decks that rely on creatures and mana elves (like us), but have a harder time tutoring for Gaea's Cradle. To perform this function, another answer is Defense of the Heart. Magus might be better since it's a creature and slides under your Thorn of Amethyst effects.
Nullstone Gargoyle - this is a new card I'm testing. It's easily hard-castable with Gaea's Cradle and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. And it's a pretty strong lock with Eidolon of Rhetoric. Yes, if I could get this lock together, I'd just cast creature after that.
Recruiter of the Guard - you just get whatever you need for the situation you're in. Get whatever stops your opponents the hardest. You have to know how your opponent's strategies work.
Sanctum Prelate - pretty much always names 2 or 3. These stop boardwipes that sneak under Gaddock Teeg; on three you stop: Toxic Deluge and Fire Covenant; on two you stop Cyclonic Rift and Pyroclasm. I usually pick either 2 or 3 based on which board wipe I'm more afraid of at the moment; but in either case you end up shutting off large parts of your opponents' decks.
Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - this is becoming less important in this list; however I think it's still probably good enough to run. Yeah, you just get whatever is most helpful. You can either get Quirion Ranger on 1 to activate Yisan or Sisay twice per turn, or you get Sylvan Safekeeper to guard Sisay against spot removal. After that, you know, get whatever you need.
Crop Rotation - there's a lot of strong lands in the list. Strip Mine and Horizon Canopy are very good with Ramunap Excavator. You can also get Tabernacle. You can get one of the ramp-lands like Gaea's Cradle, nykthos, or Ancient Tomb. If possible, you should always sacrifice a Flagstones of Trokair.
Creature tutors - You get whatever you really need top stop what your opponents are doing. These tutors let you get non-legendary creatures tho, so sometimes you can get Sanctum Prelate or Eidolon of Rhetoric or Spirit of the Labyrinth if one of those seems really appropriate, or you're in a winning position already, you can go for the kill with Shaman of the Forgotten Way or a lock with Nullstone Gargoyle.
Enlightened Tutor - yes, frequently the most powerful thing to get with this is Living Plane, although there's a lot of great artifact/enchantment stax pieces you may want, particularly Rest in Peace, Null Rod or Sphere of Resistance. It can get ramp in Mana Crypt or Carpet of Flowers. It can also get Lightning Greaves which can be great for Sisay. This card is awesome in this list.
Gemstone Caverns, Chrome Mox - these are ramp, which is totally critical. You just exile whatever you don't need. Try to prioritize playing a turn 1 or 2 stax piece with these ramp cards. Also think about when you will play Sisay. If you have these ramp cards, try to set up a sequence where you play a stax card turn 1, a mana creature turn 2, and SIsay turn 3.
Null Rod, Stony Silence - these only shut off our artifact ramp, not our creature ramp. Only play them if they're going to hurt your opponents more than they hurt you. But the deck is pretty much designed so that it's usually pretty asymmetric, although certain hands and board states can make it more nuanced.
You can totally run snow lands if you want to.
Solemnity - this doesn't do anything...
Ashes of the Abhorrent - This can work if your meta has a lot of reanimation or storm...
1 month ago
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Ethersworn Canonist, Rule of Law, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Thorn of Amethyst, Vryn Wingmare and Curse of Exhaustion all shut down storm pretty bad, white is your friend vs storm, and Leyline of Sanctity prevents a majority of storm spells from targeting you
3 months ago
4 months ago
Looks like a pretty sweet deck. One thing I'd recommend is to cut some of the 'ETBs tapped' for opponents stuff. Consistency is cool and all, but Loxodon Gatekeeper, Root Maze, Manglehorn, Thalia, Heretic Cathar, and Frozen AEther seems a little excessive. I'm a fan of enchantments, since they're a little harder to remove than creatures. You might want to drop the Loxodon Gatekeeper or Thalia, Heretic Cathar for a Blind Obedience.
Looks like you're also going for locking down the untap step. Have you considered Stasis at all? It has proved to be pretty solid in my deck, so long as I can consistently deal combat damage to have untapped. Also, Mind Over Matter is waaaaay better than the Azorius Guildmage. Pricey, but worth it in my experience. And since you're locking that stuff down, you might want to put some thought into adding a Murkfiend Liege to backup your Seedborn Muse, should it be removed. I could also see the newly printed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist performing well in your deck.
I think your card draw might also need some work. The last thing you want is to be dead in the water and top decking for answers. Rhystic Study and Bident of Thassa are good, but what makes this deck scary is when your hand is huge--that's what makes your opponents think twice about their plays. I'd recommend a Pull from Tomorrow, Coastal Piracy, Consecrated Sphinx, or at least an Arcanis the Omnipotent to be abused with Derevi, Empyrial Tactician's ability. Add in a Laboratory Maniac and a Mind Over Matter and you have yourself a card draw combo stew.
There's no better way to stop a combo than to simply counter it. I'd consider including a few more counterspells like the OG Counterspell. Disallow is also a solid show-stopper when an opponent thinks they're being clever. Also good for stopping combo engines are Stony Silence, and Null Rod.
It looks like you're relying on a bunch of ETB effects with only Brago, King Eternal and a few reanimators like Eternal Witness and Sun Titan. If you're bent on ETBs, I'd recommend Venser, the Sojourner, and perhaps Conjurer's Closet and of course, the eternally useful Deadeye Navigator, which is good at getting you a lot of mana with either Palinchron or Peregrine Drake (economic option).
Since you're also making things more expensive, have you considered adding in Aura of Silence? Quite good for shutting up opponents. Trinisphere is also effective at making things too costly for the opponents. Lastly, as for dealing with CMC and such, a Void Winnower is pretty good at locking down a great deal of spells. Having a board state with Gaddock Teeg, Trinisphere, Void Winnower, Vryn Wingmare, and Grand Arbiter Augustin IV will give your opponents such a nightmare headache as they try to navigate the actual cost of of a spell.
So it looks like you have a few things that make tokens, but not much else for them. I'd recommend to either go all-in and add in a few more token-makers like Squirrel Nest, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, or Avenger of Zendikar. If you're going that route, I'd suggest Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, or Anointed Procession.
Overall it seems like a really solid deck. Might still need a bit of tweaking, but I like what it's got going on! Also, please don't think I'm trying to tell you how to build your deck, these are only suggestions and ideas to consider! Thanks for sharing!
4 months ago
Great GW Hate Cards:
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4 months ago
Assuming you want to go more stax than combo:
- Spirit of the Labyrinth
- Arcane Laboratory
- Blasphemous Act
- Dream Tides
- Pendrell Mists
- Aura of Silence
- Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
- Frozen AEther
- Lodestone Golem
- Vryn Wingmare
- Thalia, Heretic Cathar
- Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
- Ghostly Prison
- Sphere of Resistance
- Thorn of Amethyst
- Brago, King Eternal
- Leonin Arbiter
- Suppression Field
- Karmic Justice
- Salvaging Station
- Aven Mindcensor
- Mindlock Orb
- AEther Flash
- Porphyry Nodes
- Ethersworn Canonist
- Blind Obedience
- Authority of the Consuls
- Orb of Dreams
- Mist of Stagnation
- Tangle Wire
- Cursed Totem
- Mana Breach
5 months ago
5 months ago
I like the deck but I think you need to try lowering your mana curve; Modern is a brutally fast format and it's easy to fall behind if you end up with a clunky hand that doesn't do much in the early turns. Flyers are never going to be the most aggressive creatures, however, so I'd also look at creatures that help disrupt and slow the opponents game-plan.
I'd definitely look to add Selfless Spirit, Mausoleum Wanderer and Pride of the Clouds as they're just powerful creatures that fit what you're trying to do. Aven Mindcensor, Hushwing Gryff, Vryn Wingmare are Lyev Skyknight could be good additions, depending on what decks you expect to face (maybe just in the sideboard though). Cloudfin Raptor and Loyal Pegasus might be a little too unreliable but I'd give them a test as aggressive 1-drops. Squadron Hawk isn't that aggressive or disruptive but it's card advantage in creature form, which is useful.
To make space I'd start by removing the Dragonlord Ojutai and Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, which while powerful don't really seem to fit the overall plan of the deck. Warden of Evos Isle might not be worth it anymore since I'm suggesting dropping the curve anyway and Nimble Obstructionist seems too situational to run 3 in the maindeck, although I've never played with it so maybe I'm underestimating it.