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Ancient Grudge Discussion
2 weeks ago
Welcome back to Magic, and especially back to Ponza!
A few thoughts:
- Pillage is legal now, and is a solid swap for Stone Rain (if you don't mind the slightly more difficult cost ... 1RR on T2 is ~4% less likely that 2R), especially considering all the Artifact decks in the competitive meta now.
- Speaking of Artifact decks, I would recommend at least 3x Ancient Grudge and/or Abrade in the side (in addition to Pillage in the main). Meta-call of course, but there seem to be MANY more targets now. I'd personally skimp on Grafdigger's Cage to make room. Dredge and Neoform are still threats, but nowhere near as dominant in most metas.
- Oko, Thief of Crowns is a real problem in many metas, and the deck may need some ways to deal with it. Veil of Summer , Beast Within , and more Hasty Creatures are all good options.
You may want to post the deck for comments on r/PonzaMTG, over on Reddit. We're a friendly community (IMO, anyways) , and always happy to comment on decks!
Good luck (and good skill) with the deck!
3 weeks ago
I have been playing the game for 10 years and I learned TODAY that tier is not a power metric. Learn something new every day.
Anyway, I'm aware of the problem, and Crashing Footfalls doesn't necessarily help against Rest in Peace when my main gameplan is casting from my gy w/ Arcanist. I guess I just put more As Foretold in my sideboard? What would you propose I remove? Unearth is in for consistency against Jund, Annul is my best plan against RIP thus far, Ancient Grudge is my defense against Whirza, and Creeping Chill is, obviously, what I've got against Burn.
1 month ago
Hey man! I got some suggestions. Feel free to ignore any/all of them:
There's a reason Ponder and Preordain are banned in Modern, and it's because they're good. I highly suggest running both in any blue deck -- they may not look like much, but being able to dig to what you need and past what you don't for one mana is a deal I'll take any day. You're running a good number of fetch lands, so Brainstorm is one you may want to add in there as well.
I don't know what your meta is like, but in general people need to draw a bunch of cards to win the game. Narset, Parter of Veils brings back thoughts of when Leovold, Emissary of Trest was legal... I think almost any blue deck should run her, especially since if you run Windfall (I think you should), she can win you the game. Or your Wheel of Fortune .
I don't know how this deck plays, but I suspect you'll have at least one or two creatures out at a time. If you do, Azra Oddsmaker can be a good source of card-advantage; Edric, Spymaster of Trest is similar, though better if you have dorks (see (5)). Painful Truths is another favorite of mine, as are Treasure Cruise , Dark Confidant , Dig Through Time and Thirst for Knowledge . Faithless Looting can also be pretty good.
A lot of decks run a lot of artifact ramp. Dack Fayden is a great way to capitalize on that, and if you run Notion Thief (which also pairs with your Windfall ), targeting your opponent with Dack's +1 can produce a four card swing.
Dorks. You're in green, so you have access to the best ramp in the game, aside from Sol Ring (which I think you should run). I highly suggest including any/all of the following in addition to your Deathrite Shaman : Birds of Paradise , Elves of Deep Shadow , Orcish Lumberjack , Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Bloom Tender , Arbor Elf ... Though they may not be 'dork'-ramp, I've also been impressed with Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth , not least because these double the mana from Arbor Elf . If you end up running Edric, Spymaster of Trest , the dorks will draw you cards when you're not using them for mana.
If you're looking for the best way to generate infinite mana with your general, I think Isochron Scepter with Dramatic Reversal is the best way. You'd need to run either artifact ramp or dorks (I highly advise the latter), but it's a pretty busted combo and I think you should put some ramp in anyway. This lets you draw your deck with Thrasios, Triton Hero and then win through Torment of Hailfire or the like.
Reflecting Pool is an often-chromatic land you may wish to consider, and Exotic Orchard is frequently at least a tri-land. I may be missing something, but running Strip Mine and Wasteland to pair with your Crucible of Worlds and Ramunap Excavator seems... good.
You're running two artifacts (three, if you run the aforementioned Sol Ring ): You should give strong consideration to things like Collector Ouphe (if you don't like the Isochron Scepter loop) or even a janky Energy Flux . These'll make sure opponents don't do nasty things with their own Isochron Scepter while hardly touching you. Also, things like Ancient Grudge or By Force are powerful magic cards.
Spell Snare is a counterspell you may want to consider, as it counters a wide range of frequently played cards in EDH like Demonic Tutor , Cyclonic Rift (overloaded or not), Winter Orb , all the talismans/signets, Counterspell , Mana Drain , Arcane Denial , Sylvan Library , Chains of Mephistopheles , Abeyance , Baleful Strix , Nature's Lore ... Also, if you're in an Ad Nauseam -heavy meta (I sure as hell am), consider things like Dispel to keep those decks in check.
If your meta is blue-heavy (most are), consider some second-order countermagic. Things like Veil of Summer and Vexing Shusher can both make sure your spells resolve. Similarly, Carpet of Flowers is a good way to get free mana from blue opponents, and Pyroblast tends to be good as well.
Personally, I've found Mystic Remora to be better than Rhystic Study , if only because it is one mana. People are way less likely to pay four mana than one, and in less experienced metas people tend to let you pull off an Ancestral Recall or two in two-ish turn cycles. In more experienced metas, Mystic Remora slows the game down as your opponents wait for it to go away and you just make sure you hit your land-drops.
Multi-for-ones are pretty important in a format with three opponents. Fire Covenant has been a favorite piece of removal in my meta since it'll clear out opponents' creatures while leaving yours untouched. Hull Breach and Decimate are also good, although it is important to bare in mind that Decimate requires a bunch of different targets in order to be castable. Windgrace's Judgment and even Casualties of War are also good.
If you want to go deep into magic history, there's another way to make infinite mana in your colors in addition to (6): Worldgorger Dragon . Entomb , Buried Alive or Faithless Looting to the graveyard this mo-fo, then cast Animate Dead , Necromancy or Dance of the Dead targeting him, and BOOM you win. (In case you aren't familiar with the combo, Animate Dead returns Worldgorger Dragon to the battlefield, and then Worldgorger Dragon triggers to exile Animate Dead . Animate Dead leaving then makes you sacrifice Worldgorger Dragon , bringing back Animate Dead and then Worldgorger Dragon ... rinse and repeat. Tapping your lands for mana in between each exile trigger yields infinite mana. WARNINGS: 1. You need a second creature in a graveyard to end the loop, or the game is a draw; 2. If someone Nature's Claim s your Animate Dead while the Worldgorger Dragon is entering the battlefield, you lose everything and you're boned. So make sure either your opponents are out of mana/counterspells or you've got your own protective backup.)
I think that's all I got. Good luck!
1 month ago
Why? because a KEY combo play in this deck ia:
T1:Land drop bird if have one.
T2: Land. Either tap bird for 3 mana, then drop Liquimetal Coating , and 1 cmc artifact destroyer, and destroy 1 land. OR remove 1 Simian Spirit Guide , from the game, add 1 red mana, tap 2 lands for 2 more mana, drop Liquid Metal, and 1 cmc artifact destroyer, and destroy 1 land on turn 2.
I cant do that with a 2 cmc artifact destroyer.
Also Reckless Air Strike allows me to destroy a 3/3 flying creature or to destroy a artifact, for 1 cmc.
2 months ago
So the main bonus of green in EDH is its access to mana dorks. Llanowar Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow and Orcish Lumberjack all belong in this deck, and you may want to find a place for Elvish Mystic , Priest of Titania , Fyndhorn Elves , Birds of Paradise , Deathrite Shaman , Arbor Elf and/or Bloom Tender . Note that Arbor Elf is especially powerful if you end up running cards like Wild Growth , Elvish Guidance and/or Wild Growth . Dorks will accelerate you early game and provide sac-fodder in the late game.
Faithless Looting is a really good source of card selection for one mana. You're probably going to want to run it, as it makes a lot of mediocre hands much more keepable.
Green Sun's Zenith is a great card to consider, especially since you're already running Dryad Arbor . If you cast Green Sun's Zenith turn one for X = 0, you can fetch Dryad Arbor right away. It's a good form of one mana ramp outside dorks and enchant-lands.
A lot of your dudes are gonna die in a sacrifice deck. In order to get card-advantage out of this, you should run Grim Haruspex , Midnight Reaper and/or Harvester of Souls . Unfortunately, these don't trigger with token-deaths, but they'll still help a lot. Deathreap Ritual is similarly powerful and triggers with token deaths, though it only triggers once a turn.
Speaking of card-draw, you have access to some good stuff there. Painful Truths is a three-mana draw-three I've been very impressed with, and Shamanic Revelation is also helpful. From a permanent-based point of view, Phyrexian Arena and Slate of Ancestry are the way to go.
A lot of your removal are one-for-ones (see Terminate , Hero's Downfall , Doom Blade , etc.). In general, I find one-for-ones are usually not very powerful in a format with three opponents, as you're facing three times as many cards as you have. Your Damnation is a great start; consider Toxic Deluge , Hull Breach , Decimate , Casualties of War , Windgrace's Judgment , Reckless Spite , By Force , Ancient Grudge , etc. I've found these to be more efficient, and therefore more powerful, than one-for-ones. Some one-for-ones, though, are so tough to counter or are so efficient as is that they're worth including: Nature's Claim and your Krosan Grip come to mind.
Runes of the Deus comes to mind as a good way to force through commander damage.
I've always liked Smallpox , both in general and in EDH. You might have luck with it in this deck; similar cards include Innocent Blood , Smokestack and the card Pox itself. If you choose to go the Smokestack route, Bitterblossom and/or Ophiomancer are worth considering. They might be worth considering anyways, though.
Spellbreaker Behemoth is an efficient creature that disrupts countermagic. Harsh Mentor , Pyrostatic Pillar , Eidolon of the Great Revel , Shattergang Brothers or Stranglehold are similar ways to punish opponents while having good cards on your side.
Finally, you should consider Overrun effects as secondary win-conditions. Using Natural Order to grab Craterhoof Behemoth while you have a wide board can easily win you the game; Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling also do the job, though they're more expensive mana-wise and therefore worse. Triumph of the Hordes is a similar card that can snatch games, though it cannot be tutored as easily.
Ok! Good luck -- that's all I got.
3 months ago
BroadScholar Shenanigans has been great, and there have only been very few times playing it where it was stuck in my hand. What makes it especially strong is, in conjunction with Liquimetal Coating , it turns into "give up your draw to Vindicate the opponent each turn". It being so narrow otherwise, and a sorcery, is why I can only bring myself to run the one copy. In my opinion it's much better than Ancient Grudge as a one-of in my deck.
Just today I used it 4 times in a row to kill a creature and 3 lands, and then my next turn I just went back to drawing like normal. It is really hard to come back from if you catch the opponent in a lull of play.
4 months ago
Yeah, your list looks great. Seems a little light on interaction but that might be inevitable considering how many dinos you need to run and the ramp spells to support them. Rite of Passage is some sick Enrage tech!! Crush Contraband is a great new card. Glad you included Runic Armasaur --seems awesome. I count twelve ramp and discount cards and that's probably where you want to be! It's a lot but dinos.
I know your slots are tight but here are some cards worth putting in the memory banks/maybeboard.
Duelist's Heritage is half-price since the reprint. Might be worth considering. Double triggers and no equip cost, after all. Small upside of being usable in political ways.
True Conviction would be castable for you if you're looking to upgrade later. The lifelink might be great since your strategy is a bit slow to start.
You might want to consider putting Swords to Plowshares and/or another instant-speed removal card for when Polyraptor and Marauding Raptor start to combo because without stopping the chain the game ends in a draw. Being 1 CMC is very attractive since you've likely cast a spell once the chain starts.
Kinjalli's Sunwing seems worthy of consideration. I now you're going for Enrage-tribal but the effect shouldn't be underestimated. Worth putting in the maybeboard IMO.
Where it me I'd include one more silver-bullet board wipe, like Planar Cleansing , Cleansing Nova , Austere Command , or Hour of Revelation . If you're worried about your enchantments you could do Hallowed Burial or Descend upon the Sinful .
Since you're running so few artifacts it might be fun to include some hosers like Stony Silence , Creeping Corrosion and Shatterstorm (my favs), or Fracturing Gust . Pulverize is on-flavor! By Force and Vandalblast are good too. There are tons of other great interaction cards but with so few slots and with all your ramp you may as well go for the big ones. Purify is good but you may want to keep your enchantments around. Seeds of Innocence is a funny one. Collector Ouphe is good but it's not a dino and it'll probably get killed by your Enrage stuff. Rampage of the Clans is a fun new one. Slight flavor fail though.
Wear / Tear , Ancient Grudge , Destructive Revelry , Hull Breach , Nature's Claim , Unravel the Aether , Deglamer , Dust to Dust , Return to Dust , and Ray of Distortion are solid in case you need something
4 months ago
FullmetalWes: I Ancient Grudge used to be the core of the deck (many versions ago). Once Abrade was released I ran a playset of each and that worked well for a long time. Then with MH came Pillage and Shenanigans , and while Pillage's modality fit the deck better than a playset of Grudges, I still liked being able to get repeated casts, which in my deck is just something Shenanigans does better, even though it is a sorcery (also why it is only a 1-of).
I originally wasn't sure if Shenanigans would play out how I wanted, but after a bunch of playtesting giving up a draw to Vindicate the opponent every turn is just sooo powerful, almost no matter what the boardstate is. It's up there with getting a Strip Mine every turn with LMC and Karn out at the same time.
I would say if someone played a version of this that was faster and not meant to be really grindy, then Grudge would be more appropriate for quick back-to-back removal
Ancient Grudge occurrence in decks from the last year
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