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Ancient Grudge Discussion
2 days ago
Your deck will play better if you remove some random beaters and add ~4 more lands and several more mana ramp cards.
Consider taking out archetype of aggression/courage, carnage tyrant, firemane angel, hazoret, heliod, heroes' bane, karametra, nacatl outlander, nylea, relentless hunter, tana
hijack, deem worthy, amd oketra's last mercy are also on the weak side
Some good cards to add: Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Fertile Ground, Rampant Growth, Farseek, Wild Growth, Explosive Vegetation, Elemental Bond, Harmonize, Nature's Claim, Wear / Tear, Hull Breach, Ancient Grudge, Fellwar Stone, Greater Good, Swords to Plowshares
2 days ago
since you're running BOPs, maybe Gavony Township as a 1-of (i know you dont want many non-colored mana sources, but it could be another mana dump if youre stuck with some jank hand). Here's the changes i'd make:
-4 Rancor (love it, but begs to get 2-for-1'd, when most of your creatures are bolt-able and have no evasion or protection, otherwise and it makes BOP into an actual real creature late game), -1 Forest, +1 CoCo, +1 Kird Ape, +1 Gavony Township, +1 Dryad Arbor, +1 Loam Lion.
For SB options, i like Stony Silence, Ancient Grudge, and Smash to Smithereens (in that order) better than Nature's Claim. hell, i even like Naturalize or Disenchant better, tbh. i dont think 2 mana is out of the question. since you are playing a zoo variation, you arent likely to slam a bunch of 5+ power creatures at the opponent at once, so the 4 life gain might actually matter. idk. personal preference, i suppose. it is nice to have some enchantment removal as well in case of bogles, but that kind of depends on the meta.
With CoCo in your deck, your sideboard could be open to more tech creatures, instead of some of the spells/enchantments. like Spellskite for bogles, Vithian Renegades, War Priest of Thune, Reclamation Sage, and Viridian Shaman for artifact/enchantment hate, Lantern Scout, Kor Firewalker, or Lone Missionary for burn hate. or generally a bunch of random hatebears and miscellaneous stuff to cover your bases like Harsh Mentor, Loxodon Smiter, Tunnel Ignus, Aegis of the Gods, Hushwing Gryff, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Burrenton Forge-Tender, Qasali Pridemage, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Gaddock Teeg... Basically whatever your meta has a ton of going on, theres a creature version to hate on it. I'm a big fan of Rest in Peace because it totally bones a handful of decks, but if you're firing off Collected Companys, with your SB hate lost in your deck somewhere, you stand a much better chance of pulling it out, than if it were an enchantment.
Just some suggestions. love zoo. like the idea youve got with the dino and god in there. seems cool. +1
1 week ago
I like the update in general, but I'd like to pick your brain on some of the numbers. I'll start by saying that nobody likes Courser in Ponza lists more than me, but 3 seems like 1 too many. Courser isn't a great threat by itself, so I'd rather have another big threat like Thragtusk or the 3rd Stormbreath. Also, I'd like to know why you've chosen to MD Crumble to Dust over the 4th Acid-Moss or another threat? Finally, I've also been seeing more lists running Bolts in the SB. Which decks are you bringing those in against?
I had a pretty bad testing session last week that's made me worried that Ponza might not get me there in the RPTQ, but it was mostly against Affinity and Counters Company. I'm swapping out a relic in my SB for a Grafdigger's Cage to help out that matchup since I expect to see some number of those decks. I also decided that I should have a 2nd Shatterstorm if I want to beat affinity. Do you side in both Ancient Grudges against Eldrazi Tron, or only 1? I'm hoping to nail down my SB plan and write it out before this weekend is why I'm asking all these questions. Thanks in advance!
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4 weeks ago
You don't need anything other than Pyroclasm/Anger of the Gods/Pyrohemia and creatures with enrage. You can ramp with Search for Tomorrow and Sakura-Tribe Elder (that way, you don't kill your own mana dorks).
The list I've been messing around with so far is:
I'm hoping we get a wider variety of enrage creatures later in the block, because right now I feel as though this list is weaker than playing Dragons (Thundermaw Hellkite and Stormbreath Dragon, specifically) or Tooth and Nail.
1 month ago
It'd be interesting to run an enchantress package with the number of enchantments you have. Cut some fat dragons/bad enchantments and artifacts for:
- Argothian Enchantress / Mesa Enchantress / Verduran Enchantress / Enchantress's Presence / (maybe) Femeref Enchantress
- Mirari's Wake or Dictate of Karametra or Heartbeat of Spring (or Zhur-Taa Ancient or Overabundance if you're edgy)
- Burgeoning + Exploration + (maybe) Manabond
Otherwise I'd run the most color-useful signets for fixing and Fellwar Stone. Amulet of Vigor if you really want to keep running taplands. Commander's Sphere and Darksteel Ingot are pretty mediocre. Don't know about Herald’s Horn.
Dorks to consider:
On theme and maybe useful:
- Dragonmaster Outcast
- Balefire Dragon
- Dragonlord Dromoka / Dragonlord Silumgar / Dragonlord Ojutai
- Kokusho, the Evening Star
- Mirrorwing Dragon
- Thundermaw Hellkite
- Kargan Dragonlord (just a neat card)
1 month ago
Hello! You commented on my deck RG Ponza, PPTQ WINNER!! the other day asking for advise, so here it goes!
Firstly, Ponza is a great deck, mostly because you can customize it to handle just about anything between good RG creatures and SB cards. Often you can use a variety of threats to win as long as your opponent can't develop their game plan in a timely manner due to your LD spells. That being said, I'm going to explain why certain builds and card choices have helped me be more competitive with the deck, and offer suggestions on how you can change your deck for a larger open meta.
The first thing I noticed in your list are the 2 MD Surgical Extractions. These slots are better as almost anything else. I know your idea is probably to use them as pseudo LD by exiling all of a certain type of fetchland from an opposing deck, but here it isn't worth the slots. Most people think that Ponza is a dedicated Land Destruction (LD) deck, but it really isn't. The LD is there simply to keep an opponent off-balance enough for you to land a large monster and beat down for the win. This is why all competitive lists run Blood Moon. Against an opponent that isn't mono-colored, Blood Moon will often slow them down enough that your huge threats can attack with impunity. So I'd look to replace the surgicals and a number of Molten Rains with a playset of Blood Moons as the first upgrade to the deck.
Once you do that, your mana needs to change. More basic forests and only 1 basic mountain along with your 8 fetches is the ideal for a Blood Moon deck. Almost every game you want a forest on turn 1 to play a mana dork or Utopia Sprawl. If you have blood moon, you want to always put your sprawl on a basic forest so it won't fall off if you play a moon and had a sprawl on a stomping ground for instance (since it wouldn't be a forest any longer). My list reflects a typical mana base for reference (although many people prefer to use 3 stomping grounds instead of 2 grounds and 1 Cinder Glade).
Now let's talk about your threats. You acknowledged that you see most lists run Stormbreath Dragon and Inferno Titan, and there is good reason for that. You want to make sure that your threats have an immediate impact on the board when you play them, or are otherwise incredibly hard to remove. Your choice of Predator Dragon isn't great since you really don't want to hamstring yourself by killing off your own mana dorks just for your opponent then Path your dragon and you've effectively 2-for-1'd or even 3-for-1'd yourself. Stormbreath Dragon's protection from white means that there are only a few commonly played removal spells in modern that are able to deal with it, and often they're not run as 4-ofs in the decks that use them (pretty much just Terminate and Dismember). A resolved Inferno Titan kills one or more of your opponent's creatures just for hitting the battlefield, or at the very least Lightning Bolts their face. I've won a few games just by getting my opponent low enough that the etb damage finished them off, or won under an Ensnaring Bridge thanks to that damage. Since you get that damage every time the titan attacks, he essentially swings in as a 9/6, with the ability to pump his attack so that often he gets in for 12 damage per attack if your opponent doesn't block. The titan is one of the fastest clocks to win the game, and affects the board in some way even if he gets removed. Other commonly good creatures in Ponza are Thragtusk and Obstinate Baloth since they gain life, have good bodies/abilities, and help shore up burn and other agro matchups.
Part 2 of your creature selection, is that you should include more big creatures to use. Right now your list only has 6 big threats to win with, and I think that number should be 10 or more. One of the ways this deck loses is by drawing too many LD spells and not finding a threat to close out the game with. Eventually your opponent will stick something and if you still haven't found a threat you'll have a tough time. I count Planeswalkers as threats, so if you look at my list I'm running 11 solid must-answer threats, with 2 Courser of Kruphix as support/card advantage slots. Some lists run Tireless Tracker in those slots, but I like how courser blocks better and gains life against agro and burn, and is naturally resistant to bolt. I also like how you don't need to sink additional mana into it to get the card advantage. To make space for the additional threats, I'd cut the remaining Molten Rains and the Boom/Busts. You don't need as high of a quantity of LD spells when you have Blood Moon, since moon often disables multiple lands at once. I recommend using a variety of threats from 3-6 converted mana cost so that you have options in games where you have trouble getting your 4th land or if your opponent kills your early mana creature. I'm testing out Carnage Tyrant myself, so that is a good one to keep in your 75 for now. If you do get the moons and make the changes to your LD spells that I suggested, then Goblin Dark-Dwellers becomes less good due to having fewer targets in most games and should be replaced with other threats.
Finally, on to your SB. You mentioned on my deck that you're still in the process of making it, which leads me to believe you may not be as familiar with what the good/bad matchups are. Affinity is a tough matchup, as is lantern control. For that reason, I would use Ancient Grudges over Destructive Revelrys. Since you're not a burn deck, the 2 damage from revelry doesn't matter as much, and being able to remove 2 artifacts with one card is great against the decks we want to beat. Mono-colored decks are also tough, with the worst being Merfolk since they present a fast clock and can disrupt our mana by putting Spreading Seas on whichever land we enchant with Utopia Sprawl. I run a single Choke in the SB just for them. Storm is also a tough matchup, so you'll need grave-hate on turns 1-2 to deal with them. Cage is good, but I like a split of both cage and Relic of Progenitus since relic is also good against Living End, which happens to be another bad matchup. Cage doesn't stop Living End decks, so I lean towards more relics for that reason. I also use a Scavenging Ooze in the SB for added utility/grave hate when I just want something for Snapcaster mage decks. Carnage Tyrant and more often Thrun, the Last Troll are used against control decks. Many people use Kitchen Finks against attrition decks like Jund or Death's Shadow, but I like Obstinate Baloth and Chameleon Colossus better since they are good main-deckable threats. I personally like Acidic Slime in the SB as a way to deal with enchantments, artifacts, and opposing large creatures (deathtouch). Any other SB slots are up to your discretion as to what you want to beat.
Well, I know I wrote a book here, but hopefully I explained some of the reasons why many lists look the way that they do. One way you could go with your list here is to make the Blood Moon change last, keeping the Molten Rains in place of them to allow you to use the dark-dwellers as threats until you make the change (since Moon just wins many games by itself). This is only if the list you currently have here is what you have irl. If you're buying cards for it, just start with the blood moon version since it's more viable in larger events. Good luck with Ponza!