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Blood Moon Discussion
5 hours ago
Je me suis arreté la dessus, les shadow of the grave sont hyper important en fait - 4 Burning Inquiry - 2 Desperate Ritual - 4 Liliana's Caress - 4 Manamorphose - 2 Pyretic Ritual - 3 Shadow of the Grave - 4 Waste Not - 3 Dark Deal - 2 Collective Defiance - 2 Torment of Hailfire - 1 Past in Flames - 2 Dark Petition - 4 Reforge the Soul
13 hours ago
agreed BBD does specifically call out eldrazi as a predator...however; i think we can all agree that hinging all of our opinions off a single event is a little rash.
if Abrupt Decay /any form of removal/interaction not having the corresponding charge counters doesn't explain dealing with/playing around Chalice of the Void then i guess i just cant go any further with that...let alone delve into how with Ceremonious Rejection / Disdainful Stroke or Alpine Moon / Blood Moon / Damping Sphere or Infernal Reckoning or Ensnaring Bridge would combat an eldrazi deck.
13 hours ago
I dont tink its turn 2 death like you say. Show
"One thing that I found extremely interesting is that if you take the overbearing power of Eldrazi out of the equation, No Ban List Modern was actually less degenerate than regular Modern. Yes, decks were more powerful, but a lot of the powerful cards cancelled each other out. Games were actually fun, interesting and rich with decision points. I didn't get killed earlier than turn four a single time in the entire event, and most games I played lasted until turn 8-10 at the very least." - Brian Braun-Duin
as far as hyper aggro/combo are concerned that is just inherent risk of running/abusing such a low mana curve...you will be kept honest with Chalice of the Void , Mindbreak Trap or potentially Mental Misstep .... greedy mana bases will be kept in line with Blood Moon and company.... and if a deck demands having a perfect opening hand...thats a bit ridiculous/probably not a great deck to run but we do have Serum Powder ...maybe that can help affinnity out?
SynergyBuild Truthfully I am not asking anything. This thread was honestly just started just for fun/speculation challenging the idea that modern would die without the banlist. I am making the case that there are plenty of answers that have been printed post 8th edition to prevent any one deck from being an apex predator/have someone to answer to... but certainly some will command more respect than others as is the case in any environment.... btw i dig that your playtesting this!
15 hours ago
"if it looks like a duck... quacks like a duck...".... no Chalice of the Void is certainly not a permission spell that goes on the stack; but i think its obvious that its role in anyones deck is similar to Blood Moon in the sense that they are Restricting and denying resources and actions of the opponent... people who run Chalice/Moon build their decks around them....and in time the meta adapts to this.
when it comes to actual tournament results...i dont think one event is enough to be conclusive...so all anyone can do is theory craft. This is where i was going with "Aggro beats Control, Control beats Combo, Combo beats Aggro" fundamentals as well as making a case for new cards thats have been printed since Eye of Ugin with Ceremonious Rejection / Disdainful Stroke .... Alpine Moon ... Damping Sphere Infernal Reckoning and more....
with these things in mind i dont think decks are going to have to go "All-in" to beat eldrazi" anymore then just being aware it exists on the competitive scene like anything else.... Miricles placed 2nd in the actual tournement/event in a field of eldrazi...
Eye of Ugin is powerful but there are several accessible answers to it in the same way.....take jund for example....hand disruption with Thoughtseize ...easy enough to throw in Alpine Moon and Abrupt Decay / Assassin's Trophy .....there is just so much removal...like a lot of removal... to be able Fulminator Mage /Fulminate a land, Bloodbraid Elf /Cascade into Kolaghan's Command /K-Command, get Fulminator back.... im just not convinced that eldrazi cant be dealt with.
as far as the mulligan scenario is concerned... Serum Powder exists...but nobody is always gonna have there best cards every game...thats why its a game.
1 day ago
About the mana: it is very simple, If you pay attention, you'll see that I can only play lands that add mana, and I only use Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth just in case I find decks that play Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon or other similar cards in the mainboard.
The best solution to the problem of the first turns that you say would be to move the Kambal to the sidebard and add another Fatal Push , because the first turn is the best to play Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek .
I feel a little bit foolish to play the Dark Confidant using 3 cards of CMC 5, but the firrst verion of this deck that I designed played only 2 Gray Merchant of Asphodel , and when I added the other one I did not think in the Dark Confidant s. I'm going to cut the Dark Confidant s and replace them for 2 Grim Flayer and a Mishra's Bauble . The problem is that I do not know what to remove of the main to add the other Mishra's Bauble , although in the end, against my esteem towards Assassin's Trophy , I will surely cut 1 Assassin's Trophy .
if you're worried about what might happen to Kambal after removing it from the Mainboard, don't worry, because I will add 1 or 2 in the side. (Kambal is great against decks like IzzetPhoenix, Burn, and against storm is very broken) ;D
Thanks for the vote, the suggestions and your help,
1 day ago
1 day ago
here are some quick bullets i found from his article that i noted.
"cards like Glimpse of Nature , Skullclamp , Deathrite Shaman , Gitaxian Probe , and Rite of Flame are very powerful cards that would be risky to unban, but they didn't put up a great showing in this event because they were either outclassed by even more broken strategies or because they were held in check by Mental Misstep ".
"in many ways Misstep was the card that allowed No Ban List Modern to function as a format. Much like how Force of Will in Legacy holds a lot of broken strategies in check. "
"One thing that I found extremely interesting is that if you take the overbearing power of Eldrazi out of the equation, No Ban List Modern was actually less degenerate than regular Modern. Yes, decks were more powerful, but a lot of the powerful cards cancelled each other out. Games were actually fun, interesting and rich with decision points. I didn't get killed earlier than turn four a single time in the entire event, and most games I played lasted until turn 8-10 at the very least. Games actually felt a lot like playing Legacy, and there weren't any games in the event where I felt completely helpless to do anything against what my opponent was throwing out there."
"artifact lands like Ancient Den , did not seem to really matter at all in the games we played. I would say an artifact-land based Affinity deck could probably end up being a decent strategy in the format, but then again, maybe not. Affinity is not a great strategy in Legacy, and decks like Eldrazi, Dark Depths, and White-Blue Counter-Top were strategies that played at a near-Legacy power level. Affinity was just outclassed."
with some of those points in mind i dont think a single tournement like this is enough data to conclusively say what decks would be out of control in the modern format. If Eldrazi was higher on the radar many people could have drastically increased their win percentage against the deck by doing something as simple as splashing for Blood Moon or adding Ensnaring Bridge to their sideboard....there is a lot of power here no doubt about it; but the answers exist.
2 days ago
PlatinumOne sorry i wasnt too specific in my bullet points earlier. no Simian Spirit Guide isnt currently banned (but it was until recently) and i meant to say that it would be used to help cast Trinisphere .
dies to removal is basically a meme at this point but c'mon its true... Deathrite Shaman only hase 2 toughness doesnt have haste/shroud/hexproof/indestructible...can be named with Pithing Needle ...can be countered can be discarded.
Golgari Grave-Troll is great just like Stinkweed Imp ... just bounce it with Vapor Snag ... insert grayvard removal like Nihil Spellbomb or Rest in Peace or Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus ...why cant i hold all this graveyard removal?
Eye of Ugin isn't stopped by Damping Sphere but the other typical tron lands like Urza's Mine , Urza's Power Plant and Urza's Tower dont like it... Blood Moon and other options like Tectonic Edge or better exist.
Blood Moon occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
All decks: 0.22%
U/R (Izzet): 0.53%
RW (Boros): 0.46%
RG (Gruul): 0.84%
RBW (Mardu): 0.71%
All decks: 0.13%