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Vexing Shusher Discussion
1 week ago
I'm generally not too worried on permanents for Bloom Tender as generally Intet is there on the battlefield with Bloom out. If not 2 for 2 is still value with the general low curve of the deck. I actually have been trying to find more red permanents or spells to add in the deck, it's just that so many of the things that red provides are just outclassed by what the blue/green side of the pie can provide. unfortunately most of the time I use Bloom Tenders mana in conjunction with Intet's...My meta doesn't see Bloom Tender in a deck with 3 colors as lets say a 5C Najeela can do.
Going on to the next point, when Intet goes off it is generally pretty hard to stop even without the counter spell back up due to having Vexing Shusher and Boseiju. Consistently she can go off by turn 5-6, but I already accepted that she can't be a true competitive tier, but I can definitely see this build as being high powered. She can't consistently pull the T3 threatening rule.
- Bring to Light I actually agree with you on this, this has been my flex spot and been actually testing it out. This was actually to mainly get my wheels as the most important thing for Intet is consistent CA or having a fully stock hand. There is the time that this can get you an extra turn due to Mana Confluence/City of Brass but the chances are unlikely to have both in play the same game.
- Dack Fayden I agree on the same sentiments, he hasn't been spectacular, but he has his uses when I steal artifacts, but that's just it. He can help me dig but I might as well use Faithless Looting for sheer efficiency.
- Nissa, Vital Force As I said with Bring to Light, CA is key, she does make all my land ramp spells into cantrips as well, 5 is a lot and my usual rule of the thumb is that in any competitive EDH deck 5 cmc cards have to do one of two things, A) Give an tremendous advantage or B) Wins you the game. She gives a lot of advantage in being a unkillable CA and being able to activate a turn after. She would be the last to cut if I'm given the choice atm unless there is a better consistent CA engine.
- Heroic Intervention Now I haven't truly tested this card out as of yet as this card was swapped in from a Mox Diamond, I saw the potential and this was pre-anti counter spell mindset. So yes this card can be cut to test a counter suite package.
- Red Elemental Blast/Pyroblast These would be more meta call cards as I would run Dispel or Flusterstorm over them. This would be the only type of deck I'm reluctant to run Swan Song however due to Intet needing a combat trigger to proc, same with any Brago decks as well lol
- Krosan Grip currently at the moment, I'm not having any problems with this nor do I have any problems casting it and it always comes in clutch when I need the split second the most. There are plenty of Paradox combo decks in my area as well as Jhoira decks so indeed the split second is a meta call but I like it in this deck as of now.
- Natural State -> Dispel/Flusterstorm/Stubborn Denial
- Dack Fayden -> Delay
- Ponder -> Mana Vault
- Bring to Light -> Pact of Negation
- Heroic Intervention -> Negate
I do appreciate the insight, and I am not as stubborn about the anti-counter spell as I was before like 3 years ago. My current goal is to refine Intet as far as possible, so right now these are the changes I'm going to include into Intet but I want to know your thoughts.
These changes seems reasonable to me.
I have a couple questions for you since you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and as well as some great perspective and MTG experience.
- In forgoing hard land ramp, would you think cutting cards like Kodama's Reach/Cultivate for fast rocks be better? or would you say the other way around and cut the 2 cmc ramp spells for the 2 cmc rocks as with the 3 cmc ramp they replace itself. I have already cut out Skyshroud Claim months ago and I haven't entirely missed it at all.
- What red permanent/spell do you know that can help this version of Intet? I been doing research a lot and I could of missed some. That has been my biggest dilemma aside from tuning Intet to the most optimal version of herself. There is a entire lack of red and basically the red is in here for the Wheel of Fortune and Vandalblast, I used to run Chaos Warp as well but that has been cut out as sometimes it can benefit the opponent more, slight chance, but a chance nonetheless. Thanks again for your insight, I have a feeling that after these next couple discussions Intet will be reborn into a new iteration of herself, I'm looking forward to hearing from you!
1 week ago
Hey thank for checking out my baby!
In regards to your question on the ramp, I am a bit confused by that as I am running quite of ramp in the form of Farseek, Nature's Lore, Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, as well as Search for Tomorrow. I also have the fast mana rock ramp in the form of Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt, and Sol Ring. I currently don't have Mox Diamond in the build due to it being swapped over to my Kess deck. In addition there is another form of ramp with lands with Exploration and Oracle of Mul Daya. Not to mention Carpet of Flowers as well. That's 12 instances of ramp and more than adequate as this is not a ramp.net deck, we only use the most efficient form of ramp. The only one that would be missing is Three Visits but I don't own one currently as of yet.
In regards to the lack of counterspells, this actually has quite of a history behind it. In the original V1 of this deck I used to run spells like Counterflux, Stifle, Misdirection, etc. however it doesn't help me to win. It just stalls this deck and slows down the speed of the combo, our main focus is to abuse Intet's ability and paying 2U to flip into a free cast counterspell is a feels bad. Most of the time we are tapping out quite a bit unless we have untappers in the form of Nature's Will or Bear Umbra or running tool box control. In the V2 I decided to go anti-counterspell route and that has actually worked out perfectly, in this iteration came in the package of Vexing Shusher and Boseiju, Who Shelters All along with tutors that can grab them reliably ex. Crop Rotation or Green Sun's Zenith. This improved the chances from our spells getting countered. The current iteration in V3 I was finally convinced that Mana Drain should be added in this deck no matter what as my friend convinced me that it is a ramp spell essentially and lo and behold it is the ONLY counterspell to make it in the deck as of now. There can be arguments where Pact of Negation can be fit in here, but when your going off on extra turns the paying 5 to protect your combo next turn is a detriment. Force of Will is actually not really good as well as most of the blue cards we are reluctant to pitch away whereas in the protection we only have to pay mana to make it uncounterable or life.
I play in a hyper competitive meta with optimized and tuned decks, this is the result of what I have currently for a "competitive" Intet deck. She is not a true competitive commander, but the deck build is competitive enough to go against other "true" commanders in a pod. She is easily cast on T3 or T4 but you have to be aware of the mindset as well, the turn you cast her, can you protect her? That's why we have cards like Autumn's Veil and Heroic Intervention. Our goal is to go off with Intet and one turn is all you need when you have any extra turn tutor in hand. We play with combat tricks and set up is important. All our early game plays is to set up overwhelming advantage and out value your opponents while disrupting them as well. We can play the long game as well, the Seasons Past combo takes 12 mana to execute, Intet short cuts this to 9 mana and we can easily achieve that by turn 4-5. Piloting Intet and decision making is also a core part of playing the deck as well as when your in the control pod you will go for the more stable route instead of burst.
I hope that clarifies some points for you, I'm always tuning and brainstorming to see how else I can perfect her, I still feel there is a better way to optimized her as I am still not fully satisfied with her yet like how I am with my Teneb deck. So I am open to any and all suggestions. This is my first EDH deck and it's been a wild ride refining her to this point. As of now the spellslinger/combo route is what I came up with as the most "optimized" version of Intet.
1 week ago
Potential anti-counter package -
3 weeks ago
Hmmm, Worldly Tutor is my worst tutor. It mostly goes for my Vexing Shusher as my priority target, Consecrated as my next, than Tatyova. Is the hand denial much better the innate card advantage that Sphinx provides?
6 cmc -> 10 cmc as well, I'm worried that it can possibly a dead card in my hand or should I not consider that thought?
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
wall of text warning, sorry i got a little carried away, i love Zacama, and been playing a lot of it so i couldn't resist trying to help another player out.
My thoughts on your artifacts:
Doubling Cube it's not very good in a zacama deck as it's not really recur-able like the other mana doublers.
Sunforger it's essentially 8 mana to tutor for an instant, that's mana better spend just drawing cards, or better tutors.
The Immortal Sun if you're trying to stop a lot of planeswalker in your meta, keep it, otherwise it's too expensive of a cast.
after you cut those artifacts add in Stony Silence and/or Null Rod which adds more stuff for your enlightned tutor to fetch. this will not really stop you other than your equipments, sol ring, and mana vault (which I MIGHT cut, up to you though on that one) which is waaay less important than everyone else's rocks that they're probably relying on more than you.
thoughts on Enchantments:
Aura Shards you're not running enough creatures to really benefit you, and Zacama IS aura shards.
Aggravated Assault + Bear Umbra is cute at best, but outside of that just a straight double strike is just better than wasting your time with this combo, other than Etali you don't really benefit from additional combat steps.
Dictate of Karametra, Heartbeat of Spring, Zhur-Taa Ancient don't help other players, unless your deck is fast enough to win on the turn these come out, you're helping 3 other players that's NOT you. that's a strict 3 to 1 disadvantage no matter how much more lands you have. if you really want another doubler, Zendikar Resurgent.
Sunbird's Invocation is another cute card, and in a zacama deck i feel like it's just more a "win-more" card than actually helping you advance your board state, specially for it's mana cost.
please let me know how successful you've been with Food Chain + Myth Unbound combo works out for you, i thought about it, but didn't pull the trigger for it yet. Also how is Shapers' Sanctuary working out for you? i like 1 drops, and ones that can draw you cards is even better. On average how many cards do you think you draw from that card per play?
Banefire is that to remove planeswalkers? if so that's actually pretty smart, i didn't think of using it that way, but it's good to have.
Plea for Guidance this is to get your aggravated assault/bear umbra or food chain/myth unbound combo i assume, any other combos i'm missing? it's pretty expensive to play, 6 mana to search, then another 6-14 mana to get those other combos going. If you decide to keep it, i recommend adding Abundance to combo with Sylvan Library pick up lands or non lands to your liking and not pay life.
other than that, i'd recommend more ramp spells and tutors:
Rampant Growth, Hunting Wilds (don't ever pay the kicker), and Traverse the Outlands gets crazy as soon as Zacama drops, Kodama's Reach and Cultivate wouldn't hurt. Hour of Promise ramps AND searches for ANY land.
Uncage the Menagerie can play well too, but you'll have to actually build your deck around it a bit more to actually be effective.
As far as creatures go, i recommend the mana dork squad, having a consistent turn 1 play every game will really affect your board state advantage, having 3 mana on turn 2 is a big difference, specially for all the ramp spells you want to be casting.
Chameleon Colossus is a great creature for mana sink, pump it up, then you can Soul's Majesty it, or similar effect with it.
Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma and Spellbreaker Behemoth this is hit and miss. you only really have 7-10 creatures they actually affect, if you feel like you're running enough green, Emerald Medallion can be better value than goreclaw, and Vexing Shusher and Prowling Serpopard would affect more of your deck than spellbreaker.
Whitemane Lion combo's with Panharmonicon to infinitly bounce zacama for the same mana cost as Temur, if temur ever gets exiled. also having flash, can save a creature in case of a removal or something.
Garruk, Primal Hunter is pretty much another Soul's Majesty. it's worth the slot even for just a 1 time use draw card when your fatties are out.
Recursion, your deck is lacking pretty much every basic form of it. Eternal Witness and Regrowth are just green staples. and personally, i would cut Praetor's Counsel for Seasons Past it's cheaper to cast, and will get back most of what you need anyways.
also i would up your land count to 36-38 your deck's average CMC is too high to be greedy on lands.
Kessig Wolf Run is just another quality land.
1 month ago
I ran Eldritch Evolution for a while, and at the time, Control decks were the biggest threat to the deck, by far. Nothing feelsbad quite like sac'ing a Creature to Evolution and then having it countered :-/
If that becomes an issue in your meta as well, here are a few options to consider: Guttural Response (great, but a non-bo with Bloodbraid), Choke (not as immeditely effective, but definitely messes with them), and Vexing Shusher (fun, but the least effective of the three IMO).
1 month ago
I love this deck as an answer to nasty blue decks. One or two suggestions--Vexing Shusher is indeed very vexing if you face opponents who just want to counter your stuff all day long, and Xenagos, God of Revels is a very nasty threat that's hard to get rid of. Food for thought :)