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1 month ago
I think you did a pretty good job for a first deck.
You seem to be running a combination of really good cards and out of place shitty cards. Unless there is some combo or synergy you have with them that I'm missing I think the following cards are garbage and should be cut:
If your opponents are going off way faster than you then you need to think about how to upset their early game with hate pieces. In combo heavy metas cards like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Vryn Wingmare and Glowrider slow your opponents down enough to let you gain control of the situation Kambal, Consul of Allocation also gains you life to stick around as they cast themselves to death. for creature heavy metas cards like Archfiend of Depravity, Ophiomancer, forced sac like Butcher of Malakir Dictate of Erebos and Magus of the Tabernacle can really fuck over a lot of decks. For pure control, stax is usually the best option in competitive EDH since relying on counterspells and spot removal to keep 3 other players in check isn't feasible. I also always recommend some graveyard hate in any deck Nihil Spellbomb Relic of Progenitus Grafdigger's Cage Rest in Peace Tormod's Crypt Crypt Incursion Silent Gravestone are all good and cheap to play. I also personally put Necropotence in every black deck, It's so good it honestly should be banned. other good general control cards are Force of Will Pact of Negation Mystic Confluence and Cryptic Command.
I'm not really clear on the win con. Something like a Blightsteel Colossus, any of the preators, or a x mana life drain like Debt to the Deathless, Exsanguinate, or Torment of Hailfire could kill of opponents once you've stabilized the game.
2 months ago
Thanks for the response. What cuts would make to your list of you were playing in a non cedh environment?
Consecrated Sphinx, Glowrider, Tendershoot Dryad, Sunscape Familiar, Sun Titan, Elvish Spirit Guide, Glen Elendra Archmage, Glowrider, Lotus Cobra Loxodon Gatekeeper, Oracle of Mul Daya, Phyrexian Metamorph, Phyrexian Revoker, Day's Undoing, Idyllic Tutor, Fabricate, Timetwister, Windfall Frozen AEther, Grasp of Fate Kismet, Chalice of the Void and Lotus Petal are the cards not being played in the above mentioned list.
All the creatures with the exception of Loxodon Gatekeeper, Elvish Spirit Guide, Phyrexian Revoker and Glowrider seem like upgrades for a high end casual environment. If you could only include four creatures that are unique to your list for a casual list what would they be? My guess would be Sun Titan, Glen Elendra Archmage, Tendershoot Dryad, and Sunscape Familiar.
Idyllic Tutor seems really good in a midrange deck. Would its inclusion along with the widely played Enlightened Tutor allow for me to run Living Plane? Is Sterling Grove too slow even for a casual environment? Does Aura Shards make it back into the deck?
2 months ago
Soren841 I can't say you are wrong... but that was a little harsh, don't you think?
ChibiNature Animar is a powerful commander, one with high resilience to non-creature based stax like Thorn of Amethyst, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, and Vryn Wingmare, and Animar is very fast, winning turns 3-4 with the ability to play through the mid-game turns 5-7 with a decent chance, however is can't win nearly as fast as the other speedy combo lists, and due to that it just isn't tier 1 on speed alone. It also normally requires it's commander to win, and though Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker lines are a powerful asset to the deck, paying ~8 mana for them, or even 4 mana with Animar on the field is still not as fast.
The deck also doesn't have the same exact protection other lists in more colors do. Having access to white like Thrasios, Triton Hero/Tymna the Weaver lists do means no cards like Silence or Grand Abolisher can be run, and most Animar list are too creature-based to run normal counter-magic in the same amounts as normal lists. They still have good protection (think Glen Elendra Archmage or Sylvan Safekeeper), but simply good isn't tier 1. Tier 1 decks need to be extremely well built, with nearly every card being powerful at every stage of the game. It is difficult to imagine, but check out i hate all of you which requires every card to be so balanced it dropped Hurkyl's Recall for Rebuild, and similar changes.
Ancestral Animar by JMCraig is currently one of the best and most balanced lists for Animar, Soul of Elements, it has everything you could generally ask for in the deck, but it isn't Tier 1 in the most competitive metas due to it being a little bit slower and a tiny bit less protected than other fast combo lists. It is still a competitive tier 1.5 amazing deck, and I would suggest playing it to a ton of players, but I can't say I ever imagining it being tier 1 unless WotC prints something like another couple Ancestral Statues that are easier to tutor for (0-2 power for Imperial Recruiter, 3 mana for Trophy Mage, etc.) or something stupidly OP like that.
2 months ago
Gideon's Intervention, Stonecloaker, Orim's Chant + Isochron Scepter, Glowrider, Spelltithe Enforcer, Windborn Muse, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Blind Obedience, Grand Abolisher. This is by looking at my binder, if they are not cheesy enough for you I apologise
2 months ago
Astraxa was the list, it isn't super based on +1/+1 counters, but has cards like Anafenza, the Foremost, Scavenging Ooze, Dovin Baan (the ultimate is insane in stax), Tamiyo, Field Researcher, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, and Luminarch Ascension, all of which use Atraxa's proliferate ability, but her flying is used with fetching out Sword of Feast and Famine, which allows the deck to get around effects like Static Orb, Back to Basics, Winter Orb in the deck, and the list also runs a lot of creature based ramp, so it can get more mana than the opponents, by using effects like Sphere of Resistance, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, Vryn Wingmare, Trinisphere, Armageddon, Null Rod, Thorn of Amethyst, Ravages of War, and Stony Silence to shut out all of their mana, and win the game!
2 months ago
Oh, I take back what I said, forget it, sorry about me white-knighting the competitive tag in the past (not far past, but still) and I love the list!
If you really want to make it competitive, I can't promise I can make Arahbo tier 1, but tier 2-3 I can do, as long as you are willing to drop some of the more fun cats, and are able to build up this deck to become a stax-beatdown hybrid.
Okay, so to start, consistency is key, more tutors should be the goal, think Fauna Shaman and Survival of the Fittest type cards, and you'd really want to slow the deck down, which is the opposite of what most people will say.
Running Vryn Wingmare, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, and Thorn of Amethyst can stop many combo decks in their tracks, and shut off storm decks in general, while not slowing you down nearly as much. Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, and Boreal Druid are all fast mana ramp that gets you to dropping your commander + Lost Leonin combo (what I believe to be the simplest wincon) faster and also gets unaffected by non-creature hate.
Effectively I am arguing for stax, but not just stax, also combo, running the combo you already have is fine, Archangel of Thune and Spike Feeder, however it doesn't win the game until your next turn unless you already have a large amount of mana, or an Aetherflux Reservoir type effect.
Consider Priest of Titania/Elvish Archdruid/Wirewood Channeler + Umbral Mantle/Sword of the Paruns/Staff of Domination as a powerful combo with cards that are individually useful. Emptying all of that infinite mana into a Genesis Wave or Walking Ballista can easily win games.
Okay, for the 50 bucks thing, Armageddon, Ramunap Excavator, Glowrider, Vryn Wingmare, Aven Mindcensor, Norn's Annex, Ghostly Prison, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, Yisan, the Wanderer Bard, Boreal Druid, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Nature's Claim, Dryad Militant, Rest in Peace, Path to Exile, Suppression Field, Aura of Silence, Beast Within, Manglehorn, Mother of Runes, and Return to Dust add up to $49.95 on TCGplayer not including tax or shipping costs, and make up a core stax build, with other reasonably cheap cards that could help being Root Maze, Natural State.
3 months ago
Hmmmmmmmm..... Why don't you run Glowrider
3 months ago
It looks like you have the start of a fairly competitive karador edh here. Usually these kinds of decks have a lot more stax and graveyard interraction. Old Thalia, Thorn of Amethyst, and Glowrider all do the same thing and since your deck is mostly creature based, you'll usually break parity with them. Spore Frog (fog frog, as I like to call him) is a good repeatable answer with karador out on the field, as well as Caustic Caterpillar. Buried Alive is another Entomb and Survival of the Fittest is just amazing in a deck like this. Necromancy is a good instant speed way to get your deck started and honestly you can replace Boonweaver Giant with Protean Hulk and Reveillark with Saffi Eriksdotter and have the same combo, but safer because it's instant speed and easier to get going because you don't need a sac outlet to kick start it.
Protean Hulk dies, get Carrion Feeder and Karmic Guide, bring back protean hulk, sac hulk to get Blood Artist (also a must have in the deck), Saffi Eriksdotter, and any protection ( Grand Abolisher is pretty good). Loop saffi and guide with feeder and you win.
another combo which is really good because you can protect it early is as follows: protean hulk dies, grab Body Snatcher, Carrion Feeder, and Sylvan Safekeeper (new addition). Sac snatcher in response to itself, which will bring back hulk, and you basically do the first combo but with our safekeeper out here protecting the combo. At this point, lands don't matter so safekeeper is great.
Cards you can cut: Shriekmaw is usually a dead draw in my exerience. It has such a narrow targetting zone that the buff it gets from karador isn't usually worth it. Fyndhorn elder, being a 3-drop, is far too late game to be worth a mana dork spot. Jarad is too far out of the combo to be truly worth it I think. The land snake is a bit underwhelming I think. You don't really need peacekeeper because in comp, attack steps don't matter (combos boiiii). Birthing pod can be great, but can be super slow.
link to my okay karador deck. Let me know if this helps and if you have any questions!