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Slate of Ancestry
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Slate of Ancestry Discussion
2 days ago
My first suggestion involves your artifact ramp. Dimir Signet and Orzhov Signet are worse than Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Hierarchy in the majority of situations, mainly because they don't need mana to begin activating. Talisman of Progress is also worth considering, though I'm assuming blue and white are your lesser colors. In that vein, I suggest cutting Chromatic Lantern for another piece of two-mana artifact ramp. In my experience, there is a big difference between 2 and 3 mana rocks in EDH, and anything you can do to increase your deck's speed will be a good thing.
Considering the win conditions: I think Approach of the Second Sun is superfluous. In my experience, zombie decks are perfectly happy just trying to get away with the aggro win condition, though the Gravecrawler loops are certainly an interesting second. The problem with Approach of the Second Sun is that it is not good by itself; generally, you want to run combo pieces that also serve some utility even without the combo. (For example, this is why I hate the Isochron Scepter in my Kess, Dissident Mage list.) Drawing it in your opener or when you don't have the mana to cast it leaves it essentially dead, and I think the aggro or Gravecrawler plans are just better.
Once you hit three colors, mana base becomes extremely important. City of Brass and Mana Confluence are excellent cards, and I've had excellent luck with them. Ideally, you'd run fetch lands like Polluted Delta and Misty Rainforest as a sort of 'additional dual land,' but these can be very pricy. If that's an issue, I advise slow fetches like Bad River , Flood Plain , Rocky Tar Pit and Grasslands . Cavern of Souls is an expensive card, though it is excellent in any tribal deck -- if you have access to it, you should run it. Unclaimed Territory is another thing to consider, as is running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth instead of one of your basic Swamp s. I also think you're running a few too many lands. Thirty-three is generally my upper limit, and since your curve is so high, I think that's about what you'd want. Thirty-five is too many.
I like that you're running zombie lords. Though anthem effects do greatly reduce the synergy of Gravecrawler with Skullclamp , I think their bonus to the aggro plan is high enough to justify their inclusion. In that vein, Lord of the Undead and Zombie Master are worth considering.
Card advantage decides most EDH games -- for example, yesterday I had someone concede not because I had pressure on the board, but because I was drawing five more cards than them a turn. Though this may have been a premature concession, it does illustrate my point. Thus, I highly recommend running cards like Graveborn Muse , Phyrexian Arena , Painful Truths , Chart a Course , Slate of Ancestry , Glimmer of Genius , Pulse of the Grid , Night's Whisper , Notion Thief , Thirst for Knowledge and/or Windfall . Similarly, cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are almost auto-includes in a blue list. Brainstorm 's efficacy is dependent on the number of shuffle effects you run, though if you choose to include fetches (slow or otherwise), I highly advise it. Many of these cards involve paying life; if life becomes an issue, try Whip of Erebos or a non-lethal Exsanguinate in addition to your Gray Merchant of Asphodel .
Tutors are good cards. I'm a fan of Entomb in addition to your Buried Alive , as it gets Gravecrawler in the yard for your combo and, if you pair it with reanimation like Reanimate , Animate Dead or the Victimize / Stitch Together you already run, it allows you to cheat in fatties. Grave Titan and Massacre Wurm are two of my favorite reanimation targets, but they're both around $20 these days. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold standard for black tutors, but these can also be inaccessible because of their price. Diabolic Tutor is a fine substitute, and I've had good success with Lim-Dul's Vault .
Liliana is also a good zombie-include, be it for flavor or for the power she offers. Liliana, Death's Majesty is great in zombie decks and is pretty affordable; Liliana, Dreadhorde General has been dropping in price recently and is also great. Depending on your playgroup's meta, Liliana, the Last Hope may be a powerhouse, though she is $40 these days.
Generally in EDH, one-for-ones are not where you want to be. There are usually three opponents, so on average you'll be facing 3x as many cards as you have. Anguished Unmaking and Utter End are good cards, but they are not as good in EDH as they'd be in 1v1 formats. Supreme Verdict and Merciless Eviction , which I see you're running, are better. Might I suggest Damnation , Wrath of God , and/or Toxic Deluge ? You may want to lean toward black board-wipes, as this is already where your mana will be when casting zombies. An overloaded Cyclonic Rift is also great, especially if paired with the aforementioned Windfall .
Perpetual Timepiece is a cool include. Consider Cephalid Vandal . Because you're not running Call to the Grave (which I think is overrated anyways), there is little to no cost of running non-zombie creatures in your deck. I think Cephalid Vandal is another good way of trying to keep your deck churning with self-mill.
Another thing that takes good EDH decks to the next level is counter magic. I see you're running Counterspell , which is good, but you should consider running at least three to four other counter spells as well. Force of Will , Mana Drain and Pact of Negation are all good if you want to sell a kidney. If you're a slightly more reasonable player, cards like Narset's Reversal , Negate / Countersquall / Dovin's Veto , Swan Song , Disallow , Arcane Denial and Archmage's Charm are also worth considering.
Depending on your meta (and your personal level of sadism), Narset, Parter of Veils and Ashiok, Dream Render should be considered. Turning off tutors and extra-draws with asymmetrical effects is brutal. Personally, I don't think those two cards should ever have been printed, but what the hell -- they're here, so we might as well use them.
Patriarch's Bidding is a good way for a tribal deck to recover after a board-wipe, and Living Death is just good for black creature decks in general. Living Death is a sort of nonbo with Wonder , but that may be worth the trouble; play-testing will iron that issue out.
Good luck man!
1 week ago
I've never before considered Odric, Lunarch Marshal and he will get added.
I'll try out Skullclamp .
I see your point on Dictate of Heliod . While it's fun, it doesn't really do much.
I'll try taking out Dreamstone Hedron for some cheaper ramp.
I like Staff of the Sun Magus , but with the cards you have suggested to me, I'll take it out.
I like Archangel of Tithes because it's an Angel and it has high Devotion, so I won't be taking that out.
I'm not sure about my LGS's current meta, so I'll be keeping Angel of Jubilation for now.
Thanks for your comment. I don't like Mind's Eye because I feel it's too expensive for what it does, and I might be able to find better ways to draw cards consistently.
Thanks for your comment. I agree with you, I'll be definitely be adding some more card draw. I already have Endless Atlas in the deck, and I'll consider Alhammarret's Archive . I like Alms Collector and Slate of Ancestry , so I'll be adding those if I can find space.
I see your point on Bontu's Monument , I'll take that out.
Thanks for your comment. My lifegain package is mainly for card draw, but I'll probably take most of it out for other cards. The only thing I would leave in would be Auriok Champion , The Soul Sisters, and Suture Priest . I'll probably also take out Dawn of Hope and Well of Lost Dreams , because they don't do much anymore.
Thanks for your comment. I agree with you and enpc, so I'll be taking out my lifegain package.
Emancipation Angel is going in.
I don't like Mind's Eye because I think it's too expensive for what it does.
I'm not a big fan of Dusk because it will kill most of my guys.
1 week ago
I'd highly suggest to remove Bontu's Monument , as for 3 mana you get only half the effect, highly inefficient.
1 week ago
So im trying to get my decks up to date since its been quite awhile since I played, and I want to see what cards I need to add. I want to start with my Darien list. Some recommendations I already have are Smothering Tithe , Teferi's Protection , Blasting Station , Weathered Wayfarer , Blind Obedience , Worship , Kjeldoran Outpost , Comeuppance , Akroma's Memorial , Coat of Arms , Gauntlet of Power , Slate of Ancestry , Land Tax , Ajani's Welcome
While i agree with some of them, I'm just not sure what I would cut for them, or if they are even worth. I do have the janky urborg combo in my Darian list. I do want to try to fit the blasting station combo into Darien as well. Any thoughts on what I should do? Its been a LONG time since I have done any deck building/editing so im a tad rusty.
1 month ago
Thank you for the suggestions while keeping them budget and not saying Doubling Season which I now would be good in any token deck but costs way to much. I have found a few troubles that I thought that were worth noting. First is that I don't have enough card draw in this deck which Skullclamp could fix but I would also add in a few more ways to draw some cards. So some i would recommend getting are Shamanic Revelation but that only gets you cards one time. So the main card that I would suggest is Slate of Ancestry which will constantly draw you a ton of cards. Good luck playing your deck and hope the rest of the suggestions help you.
1 month ago
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My first suggestion is to adjust your mana base to address the cost-differences between your colors. According to the graph, over half your colored costs are green costs. Adding more Forest s and fewer plains/ Swamp s may be helpful.
My second suggestion concerns dorks. One-mana creatures that provide you with mana are gas from turn one; adding Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Elvish Mystic and Deathrite Shaman could all accelerate your deck significantly. If you choose to run a dork like Arbor Elf , Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth also become significantly better. Putting in the creature acceleration should allow you to cut 2-3 lands from your final list, as well as making a card like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip better.
Regarding card draw: The majority of EDH games are decided by card advantage. Mentor of the Meek is worth considering, especially if you choose to run the mana dorks I mentioned above. Slate of Ancestry is pretty good if you poop out a load of creatures with cards like Mycoloth . Harmonize , Grim Flowering , Ambition's Cost and Painful Truths are all good one-shot methods to recoup card advantage; Twilight Prophet is good in addition to your Phyrexian Arena .
Being Abzan, you have access to a bunch of cards most opponents will hate. Gaddock Teeg is a great way to hold off opposing board wipes, as it turns off Damnation , Wrath of God , Supreme Verdict , Blasphemous Act and the like. Aven Mindcensor hoses some decks, and makes your Path to Exile better. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare are all good if your deck can produce excess mana. Alms Collector is good for hating on mass-draw combo decks.
I see a lot of one-for-ones in your list. In EDH, you're facing 2-4 opponents, and therefore that many more cards. Things like Mortify and Putrefy are good, but they are not great; I suggest running more two-for-ones. Ashes to Ashes , Grasp of Fate , Back to Nature , Liliana's Triumph (if you're not facing dork-heavy decks), and Syphon Mind are all good options. Swords to Plowshares is one of the few one-for-ones I think is really good in EDH, if only because it's so flippin' efficient.
I don't think Massacre Girl is a good card; something like Wrath of God , Toxic Deluge or Damnation may be better. Merciless Eviction is good, but being six mana may be relatively detrimental. If you want, Cataclysm is a... good card. Though you may, if you have a significant conscience, consider not running it.
Demonic Tutor , which you run, is the gold standard, but cards like Eladamri's Call are good too. Green Sun's Zenith may be helpful, especially if you run Dryad Arbor to fetch turn one, and GSZ can grab your Reclamation Sage if you need it. Similarly, you may want to consider Finale of Devastation and Chord of Calling are options, and Bane of Progress is another good target.
Gavony Township is probably good in your list; choosing to run something like Knight of the Reliquary gives you access to it fast. Crop Rotation is another option. You could probably run 1 or 2 more utility lands like Blast Zone , Maze of Ith or Bojuka Bog to compliment this package.
Recovering from a boardwipe is hard in creature-decks. I suggest Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward , as these both negate the effect of Wrath effects on you while also being able to bounce back creatures you sacrificed earlier.
Walking Ballista may be helpful, if only because it can shoot blockers out of the way. Running it in conjunction with Basilisk Collar becomes pretty busted. Woodfall Primus , Puppeteer Clique , and Kitchen Finks are all good options, especially since -1/-1 counters cancel out with a +1/+1 counter. Running these with Ashnod's Altar or an added Viscera Seer makes their effects recur indefinitely. Pairing Woodfall Primus or Kitchen Finks with Cathars' Crusade can simply end the game.
Proliferate effects will be good here. I expect Evolution Sage would be busted in this deck, and Contagion Clasp / Contagion Engine are good, too. Sword of Truth and Justice (from Modern Horizons) is also worth running, though it may be hard-ish to get ahold of for the first few months after the set drops.
All of the cards in your 'Maybeboard' are worth running. If/when you get ahold of them, you should run them.
All the best, and good luck.
1 month ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
1 month ago
I highly suggest investing a little more into your mana base. Temple Garden is good to fetch out with your Windswept Heath (as it's a dual), along with your Canopy Vista . Scattered Groves is another land to consider here, along with Savannah , if you want to blow $150 on a marginal improvement. Off-color fetches are similar; they are effectively duals as they allow you to fetch your Canopy Vista and friends. If you choose to run fewer fetches, Suppression Field can be plain brutal against a lot of decks.
I see you're running a few dorks; I advise adding a few more, as they're one of the best aspects of your colors. Arbor Elf and Llanowar Elves would be good additions. If you want more one-mana ramp spells, Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth are options that also act synergistically with Arbor Elf . Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage can be great too.
Swords to Plowshares is better than Path to Exile . In EDH, giving an opponent five to ten life is unfortunate, but not terribly bad; ramping an opponent, on the other hand, can be very dangerous. I advise against spells that can help speed up your opponents.
Along that vein, slowing your opponents down is a good idea. Vryn Wingmare , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Glowrider are all good tax effects identical to Thorn of Amethyst that also can come in for damage. Gaddock Teeg is great for holding off board-wipes, as Damnation , Wrath of God and Supreme Verdict are all uncastable while he's on the field. Kataki, War's Wage is a powerhouse as well.
Depending on your meta, you may have a lot of options for color-specific interactions. Carpet of Flowers is excellent if your meta is really blue, and Choke is a pretty mean card with essentially the opposite effect.
In green, you might way to consider adding a land-recursion package if you have access to it. Ramunap Excavator is good for bringing back your fetch land(s), and thereby guarantees land drops. Exploration is an excellent card, if you're willing to spend $25 to get ahold of it, that accelerates you like crazy from turn one. Sticking a Wasteland or Strip Mine into the mix is pretty spicy too.
In creature-heavy decks, Slate of Ancestry is a powerful card-draw engine.
Natural Order is busted in Legacy Elves; it'd also be busted here. Grabbing Craterhoof Behemoth for four mana tends to end games fast, or at least put your opponents into the five to ten life range. Similarly, but significantly worse, Green Sun's Zenith , Finale of Devastation and Chord of Calling can all end games. Worth noting is that if you include Dryad Arbor in your deck, you can grab it with GSZ on turn one for one mana. Along the lines of finishers, Overwhelming Stampede is good, but I would run Triumph of the Hordes first. Be weary, as people can be salty about losing to infect in EDH.
If you choose to run some equipment in your deck, Stoneforge Mystic is good. It is approaching $40, but as you already run Sylvan Library I figured I'd mention it. I don't advise running more than two or MAYBE three equipments in your final list, and Stoneforge both fetches then and provides a body to carry them. In this vein, I do like Dragon Throne of Tarkir in your list; you should consider running Batterskull and/or Sword of Fire and Ice . Sword of Truth and Justice , from Modern Horizons, is another card you may want to consider -- I think its price will go down, at least a little.
Deftblade Elite is an interesting creature you should consider. It's good for removing the single blocker your opponent might have, especially if the blocker would kill something important of yours.
That's all I got. Good luck with deck building!
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