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2 days ago
I've thought about Kormus Bell before. It combos nicely with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . I can see your point though. I never considered Stony Silence or Null Rod because I don't play against a lot of decks that utilize artifacts very much.
3 days ago
I play Rhonas as one of my decks as well and while it looks weird at first, it really has high potential for a quick kill. You just shouldn't forget one thing, which is that the odds are not in your favour when you play aggro in commander.
I've played my Rhonas twice yesterday and I can only say the most powerful Support creature is definitely Pathbreaker Ibex. If that one resolves and attacks once, at least one opponent is gone for sure. Turn 4 should be the goal, later if it's backed up with removal and protection, because that's when you probably lose to a real combo deck or when control removes all your important stuff. You could do well without the few artifacts you have (maybe Keep the mana artifacts, but not necessarily) and Play Carpet of Flowers, Root Maze, Null Rod and Molder Slug instead. Choke and Prowling Serpopard help to keep the majority of (objectively) better commander decks in check.
You can use Berserk on rhonas everytime and he won't die. Invigorate, Vines of Vastwood, Phytoburst and Might of Old Krosa can easily push through a lot of commander dmg to make the blocks in the mid game already difficult for every defending opponent. I would also say that Triumph of the Hordes and Overwhelming Stampede are a must in green decks that win with combat damage.
3 days ago
Have you considered running Living Plane?
3 days ago
sonnet666 I appreciate your response. I'll start off by saying that mentioning the obvious tier 1s (Thrasios, Zur, Tazri) was really just for completeness' sake. In hindsight, it was just a waste of time to mention them and I regret bringing it up.
You're also completely right about Mairsil, I just straight-up didn't do any research on the way that deck was going at all. The Mirror-Mad Phantasm line is great in a Doomsday shell and it's the main draw for it. The Razaketh line is a little bit more questionable since it requires creatures in play and Grixis has few creatures it actually wants to run and it can only be uses once a turn, but turning your commander into Diabolic Intent isn't bad by any means. I still think that Kess and Jeleva are clearly superior Grixis commanders though since they can have 99 cards that are gas and not dilute their deck at all. It's similar to Teferi vs Arcum Dagsson. Teferi runs a couple of bad cards or cards that aren't good for reasons other than The Chain Veil combo (Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, and The Chain Veil itself would be useless without the rules interaction that allows for the combo), but Arcum runs a lot more bad cards because it needs to have artifact creatures to sacrifice and most artifact creatures suck. There's less of a difference between Kess/Jeleva and Mairsil than there is between Teferi and Arcum Dagsson in terms of number of different cards in each deck, but the principle is that Mairsil requires more build-around cards than the other Grixis generals and it hurts him overall. Regardless, I apologize for my ignorance and I think that tier 2 can be a valid placement for now.
I forgot that Razaketh was your pet deck. I won't bother arguing with you about it then.
I disagree about Karador. It's true that he reduces his own cost, but only if creatures are in the graveyard, which there will probably be few unless someone has wiped or you have Survival of the Fittest/Fauna Shaman. In the latter case, you probably won't need Karador since you'll be able to tutor up Boonweaver Giant and a sac outlet (or whatever you're comboing with) relatively quickly anyway. It's true that he casts creatures from your graveyard, but only one per turn, so saying he effectively makes your graveyard your hand is a huge overexaggeration. Being able to cast creatures from the yard is also only useful if you have creatures in the yard, which is not too difficult to achieve but not always a common gamestate. Compare this to Tymna, who generates value at every stage of the game as long as you have creatures, and he looks much less favorable. The Abzan Boonweaver strategy has never really relied on the commander for anything but value, so the fact that Tymna can create more value more quickly than Karador speaks to her advantages and his weaknesses. If you won't put him in tier 3, consider at least moving him down to tier 2.5.
Everything I said about Teferi was in jest. In fact, I believe I even said later in my post that I was just joking around when I talked trash about Teferi. I don't post a lot on tappedout anymore so I don't blame people for not knowing, but I am a Teferi main and although I don't consider myself an expert, I know the deck pretty well. The Blood Pod matchup is probably Teferi's worst matchup (it's even worse than Ruric Thar, which is saying a lot), but it's not enough to keep him out of the top tiers.
Your suggestions for additions to Teferi are understandable but misguided. The primary reason that Paradox Engine and Dramatic Scepter aren't in Teferi is partially because the deck already has two and a half alternate win conditions - Rings of Brighthearth+Basalt Monolith is one, Power Artifact+Monolith is two, and Teferi+Stasis is almost a win condition - and doesn't need to dilute itself by running any more. All the cards I just mentioned are also good on their own - Monoliths for obvious reasons, Rings of Brighthearth for its ability to copy Teferi or Tezzeret's abilities, and Power Artifact for generating more mana while comboing with The Chain Veil. Neither Dramatic Reversal nor Isochron Scepter have utility on their own. Imprinting a Counterspell or a bounce spell on Isochron Scepter is a fine strategy in 1v1 (and I used to play Scepter Chant back in Mirrodin-era Extended, so I know how it feels), but it ultimately isn't good enough in the midgame to be worth running. Dramatic Reversal is effectively just a ritual and has very little utility outside of the combo. We already have access to a lot of good rituals, like Teferi for example, and we don't need another one that badly. Paradox Engine is too reliant on cards that are already in hand and costs 5 mana. Why would you tutor for a situationally relevant card that costs more to cast than The Chain Veil and is not a guaranteed combo? Furthermore, running these additional win conditions would require multiple cuts to either the manabase, card draw spells, counterspells, or bounce spells, which would weaken the deck in some other aspect. It's just not worth it to run these cards.
And just because Manifold Insights isn't as good as Lim-Dul's Vault doesn't mean it's trash. Being able to see 10 cards deep and getting 3 nonlands is a big deal, even if it's the three worst cards in that set. The fail state of Manifold Insights is either getting your 3 worst mana rocks or your 2 worst mana rocks and a counterspell that's not relevant (ex. Flusterstorm at a table full of creature-heavy decks). That's not great, but it's still 3 cards that will likely not be dead. The only major drawback to the card is its sorcery speed, which is unfortunate but ultimately not a dealbreaker. And obviously the card is unplayable with fewer than 3 opponents, but ideally that shouldn't happen.
Finally, do not under any circumstance go with a different decklist than what you have posted. Even though it does not match my personal list and I don't agree with every card choice in it (cough Expedition Map cough), the comprehensiveness of the primer section is encyclopedic, which makes it an excellent resource. It talks about primary combo lines, alternate lines, matchups, single card choices, and even budget alternatives. If you are already vaguely familiar with competitive EDH, you could become a somewhat competent Teferi player just by reading that primer and goldfishing a bit. Something drastic would need to happen in order for that primer to become irrelevant, on the scale of a major banning or maybe a change to the rules interaction between Teferi and The Chain Veil.
As far as Yidris goes, Jim has talked a lot on the discord about his deck and the gist of it is that Yidris is plan B. Plan A is jamming a turn 3 Ad Nauseam, which he aims to do as often as possible. That should give you an idea of how important Yidris actually is to the deck. His current list also still runs Mass Hysteria, so Concordant Crossroads could be a possible addition to improve it. I doubt Need for Speed would work well though, it overlaps with Rain of Filth too much and you'd rather sac your lands for mana than give your dorks haste in most circumstances.
I would argue that The Gitrog Monster can fight through counterspells more easily than Sidisi, Undead Vizier can because of cards like City of Solitude and Autumn's Veil, but you're right in that both decks are linear and somewhat fragile. Gitrog makes up for this by being able to clean up at really weird times, like their own cleanup step.
I think Tier 3 is solid for Atraxa. She has pubstomp written all over her, so it makes sense to put her in the pubstomp tier.
When I said that Dimir was a limited color identity, I meant in terms of what it can answer and how well it can answer it, specifically in regards to artifacts and enchantments. Black can't really interact with artifacts or enchantments at all, and blue only has bounce spells or counterspells. Hurkyl's Recall and other bounce spells are only temporary, and unless you can win the turn after a bounce through countermagic for sure, you will still be in danger of the problem card resolving the following turn again. Swan Song and other counterspells are reactive, which a combo deck really doesn't want to be. Compare this to Grixis, which has access to Vandalblast and By Force, or Esper, which has access to Disenchant and Detention Sphere (in Zur), or Sultai, which has access to every good card in the format, and Dimir looks worse by comparison.Even the creature removal isn't as diverse when it comes to wipes. Dimir only has Toxic Deluge while Esper has Supreme Verdict and Grixis has Rolling Earthquake and Fire Covenant. That's really the only weakness of the color identity, but it's not a trivial weakness and it does make Dimir combo worse than Esper/Grixis/Sultai/4 color combo.
As for your question on Baral, whether High Tide isn't strong or Baral is just bad, the answer is kind of both. Baral is a commander who gets outclassed by Jace in almost every way, and although he isn't weak by any means, Jace isn't outrageously strong to begin with.Jace can loot more consistently, can get more value in the midgame when cards have been binned, and can enable double Tide turns. Baral's cost reduction is nice, but that's about the only advantage he has over Jace. Blood Pod is also pretty brutal against Baral since all the win conditions either require Islands (making it weak to Choke) or artifacts (making it weak to Null Rod and Stony Silence).
1 week ago
I'm actually liking some of the new cards in the upcoming Commander release. I figured we could use a thread to discuss what cards are playable in the new set and people's thoughts on them from a non-EDH perspective.
Some of my thoughts so far:
This seems solid in Ad Nauseam, but I'm not experienced with the deck to know whether this is better than any of the other Angel's Grace cards. The nice thing is you can respond to a Doomsday or Ad Nauseam as usual, but you're not stuck at 1 life. You can also use it defensively to phase out your permanents to protect yourself from Wasteland.
You can also use the protection on yourself so you can dodge cards like Hymn to Tourach.
I might play around with this in Goblins. Getting Lotus Petals each turn seems strong in conjunction with Aether Vial. Might also try some kind of weird R/x Prison deck with Mishra's Factory beatdowns.
The mana costs on this are lower than Mirage Mirror. An activation cost of seems solid when you want to create multiple Goblin Piledrivers, hatebears, or Priest of Titania. The downside is that it can only be used on tribal cards and you need to have a creature in play worth copying.
Not sure if this will find a home in any Legacy decks, moreso that it's kind of a cute beatstick. I was thinking Maverick may have a slot for it, since there's some synergy with Qasali Pridemage. You could also make some weird Illness in the Ranks deck. Hunted Troll , Hunted Phantasm , and Forbidden Orchid would be the other cards, but this doesn't seem like a viable strategy in Legacy to me.
Another piece of removal for Hatebear strategies. I like this guy, especially since it gets rid of the creature permanently and you don't have to do weird Flickerwisp + Fiend Hunter things. The only downside is you can't deal with a creature before it attacks, specifically Emrakul, the Aeons Torn in the Show and Tell matchup. Still, I'm 99% positive this guy finds itself taking over slots in D&T.
Any other cards people are thinking about playing in their Eternal non-EDH decks? As far as I know, the full card spoiler hasn't been released anywhere, so there will likely be other new playables or staples coming out. I don't think we're going to see anything on the level as True-Name Nemesis, but some of these come close.
1 week ago
You'll see The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in more than just lands. It finds a way into a lot of sideboards to punish aggro.
Basically, any deck that doesn't rely on creatures can jam The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale into their sideboards with little issues, on top of Lands being a good deck. It's a safe investment, even if they did ban things out of Lands.
Hell, even if they banned The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in Legacy, it'd still be worth a fuck ton. Getting one for under $1k is a bargain, IMO.
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
The others are right...this is just a Modern deck with Necropotence and Strip Mine, both of which are restricted in Vintage (yet you're playing multiple copies of both). This deck isn't even using any of the powerful R/B cards for Vintage or Null Rod.
Demonic Consultation, Demonic Tutor, Wasteland, Sol Ring, Dark Ritual, etc. aren't in here, but they should be. How else are you going to deal with the format's established archetypes, like Mentor, Dredge, or MUD? There isn't enough artifact hate (like Ingot Chewer) or ways to deal with your opponent casting a bunch of spells. Sudden Shock is missing in your sideboard to deal with Monastery Mentor.
I guess you can stroke your ego by beating up on some Standard decks?