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Nissa, Vital Force
Planeswalker — Nissa
+1: Untap target land you control. Until your next turn, it becomes a 5/5 Elemental creature with haste. It's still a land.
-3: Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
-6: You get an emblem with "Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card."
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Nissa, Vital Force Discussion
1 hour ago
I see you've made huge changes in your build to adapt your lgs meta, back to counterspells and disruption tools ? Bringing disruption I can understand Careful Consideration but doing some research I have found this Wheel and Deal isn't it a better version ? Or maybe both could be included if there's engouh room ?
And about God-Eternal Kefnet I don't see only as a way to cast copies of instant and sorcery but also a good and resiliant beater.
1 day ago
First thing I suggest is Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. You have a LOT of creatures, and I like that you're running the whole host of mana-dorks. Rites lets you get even more mana, and serves as an affordable Gaea's Cradle .
I don't think Sapseep Forest is better than a simple basic. Coming in tapped is a big drawback, and 1 life is rarely very relevant in EDH. To a lesser extent, you may find Mistveil Plains to be worse than a basic as well. Mistveil is typically limited to Captain Sisay or other tutor-on-a-stick decks as a means of recursion, but in this deck it seems it won't give you enough bang for your buck. Perhaps you might consider running Drownyard Temple instead? It works well with your Dust Bowl and gives you a good outlet for excess mana.
I recommend running Green Sun's Zenith in conjunction with Dryad Arbor . The arbor on its own isn't very good -- it is effected by summoning sickness and feels bad to play as a land for turn. But Green Sun's for 0 on turn one is excellent. Additionally, later in the game Green Sun's can act as a tutor for your Reclamation Sage or Knight of Autumn to deal with a pesky artifact or enchantment.
Green-White has access to a lot of nice hatebears. I suggest Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , though that one may be a little pricey. Vryn Wingmare and Glowrider are far more affordable and only a little worse. You have a LOT of mana, so taxing non-creature spells isn't too bad for you. Also, your general is a creature on the stack, so it's not an issue with casting her. Aven Mindcensor also comes to mind, but it depends on how search-heavy your meta is.
For planeswalkers, Nissa, Vital Force is a good choice in landfall decks. Being able to cantrip lands is... good. Similarly, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip is powerful in decks with a high concentration of lands, though I recommend Vital Force much more.
For finishers, you might consider Overrun or Craterhoof Behemoth . They make your dorks into fatties, and let you swing in hard. Craterhoof is expensive these days, but pairing him with Natural Order is a Legacy Elves play that works great in EDH too. Triumph of the Hordes is another candidate for the finisher slot.
Swords to Plowshares is one of the only 1-1s I recommend in EDH. Because it is so efficient, I think it can be played even in a format typically played with 3 opponents. I do NOT recommend Path to Exile , as ramping an opponent is especially dangerous in EDH.
Card draw is always important in EDH. Because you're running so many creatures, Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence seem powerful inclusions, similar to the Shamanic Revelation you already run. After a board wipe, they may well draw you 7+ cards. Also, Slate of Ancestry is a boss.
Good luck with deck building!
1 week ago
No problem. To be more specific the reason why I am looking specifically for a commander comboing off with a 4 or less cmc artifact is because my LGS is holding a commander league where you can partner your commander with a lieutenant which needs to be a planeswalker (and it adds to the color identity). So I'm brainstorming what crazy stuff you can come up with with that combo.
But for this thread the best combo I can think of is Sharuum the Hegemon with Tezzeret the Seeker then grab an artifact of 4 cmc with tezzeret to cause an infinite death trigger loop with sharuum. Then just make sure I pack the deck with a bunch of Blood Artist type effects.
1 week ago
Murphy77 Thank you so much for your suggestions!
You can totally build an EDH deck around turning lands into creatures. The deck would definitively run a lot of the ramp that I run in my deck. However in EDH with Wrath of God , Damnation and many more field wipes in existence it is a risky strategy. Eldrazi Monument would be an auto include for this idea as well as Ramunap Excavator and Crucible of Worlds .
As far as planeswalkers: If I were to build Simic Superfriends I would run Gilder Bairn , Deepglow Skate , and Doubling Season in addition to a lot of the Blue and/or Green planeswalkers. However as far as this deck I like winning too much off of Avenger of Zendikar , Rampaging Baloths and other landfall triggers. If I was to add in a lot of planeswalkers I feel that I would cut down on the lands matter synergy and end up weakening the deck as a whole. Not to say I wouldn't run a planeswalkers. If wizards printed a planeswalkers with a good + ability Kiora, the Crashing Wave 's -1 and and Nissa, Vital Force 's -6 ability or something similar I would totally run it. But as it stands there aren't any planeswalkers that fit the synergy of the deck enough for me to run with out changing to Simic Superfriends.
As for counterspells other then Force of Will which I would include if it cost less money. I have been considering Familiar's Ruse for the shenanigans that can be pulled with Eternal Witness and other ETB triggers. However I don't know if I have enough ETB triggers to justify it. I plan on testing it soon. Now that general tucking isn't a thing I typically try and not run counterspells over the CMC of 2 that don't have alternative casting costs. As for Rewind I would not run it in cEDH. But in a deck that can dump lands out and with Kruphix, God of Horizons 's ability to float mana on the opponent's end phase before your turn it is basically in this deck is a free counterspell and nine times out of ten you aren't losing the mana for.
Thanks again for the suggestions. I noticed you have a lot of standard and modern deck on your page. Are you thinking about getting into EDH? If you need any help I would be happy to help!
1 month ago
Hey, you're welcome. Fauna was just reprinted in Ultimate Masters, she's now a $5 card :)
I think Wave is worth playing because it's a damn powerful card, but I would cut most instants and sorceries for more permanents to make Wave better. This does make Young Pyromancer worse therefore I would cut him. Cards like Dragon Fodder and Krenko's Command are fine, but they're one shot spells that only give you two tokens. You can replace these with other creatures or permanents that give you repeatable tokens even if those cards are more mana. Nest Invader and Mogg War Marshal are other examples of permanents that could replace Fodder and Command.
Cultivate and Ranger's Path are fine cards, but I think they can be cut for creatures who land ramp because then you get two things, a land and a creature to devour. For instance Farhaven Elf can replace Cultivate. Solemn Simulacrum at $5 might be too expensive price, but he's an example that could replace Ranger's Path or Explosive Vegetation . Skyshroud Claim is a much better card than both Path and Vegetation. Another example is Garruk, Primal Hunter could replace Rishkar's Expertise because Garruk's -3 can be a repeatable first part of Expertise. Garruk however might also be out of your price range.
Gilded Lotus , Gruul Signet , Mind Stone can be cut for one drop mana dorks. Altar of the Brood and Hardened Scales can be cut for more dorks. Scales only interacts with three cards in your deck: Thromok, Mycoloth and Avenger. These are however two of the best cards here, but Scales doesn't do anything else for any other creatures for that reason I would cut it.
High CMC creatures who make tokens when they ETB can also be good cards, but only if you have easy ways to recur them or blink/bounce them. Of course there are exceptions such as Avenger. Cards that can be repeatable sources of tokens even if they cost more mana to play are more desirable. Pia and Kiran Nalaar is kind of lackluster here because not playing artifact strategies and the card only gives you two tokens. As a one time four mana play it's not good. Temur Sabertooth is a way to bounce a creature and play it again, it's excellent with the many green creatures who have strong ETB abilities such as Fierce Empath , Reclamation Sage , Eternal Witness , Wood Elves , etc.
Duskwatch Recruiter Flip and Fauna Shaman should make creatures the priority because these cards only interact with creatures and the interaction is very good since they're engines to get creatures. Priest of Titania is one of the best mana dorks in Commander, if you have her add her especially if adding other mana Elves.
Another strategy to experiment with Thromok is making your lands creatures since then they can be devoured. Living Lands , Life and Limb , Nissa, Vital Force , Sylvan Awakening . When devouring your lands you also wants ways to reanimate them: World Shaper , Ramunap Excavator , Splendid Reclamation .
Shaper has synergy with devour since he has to die to reanimate your lands. Living Lands curves into Thromok giving you devour fodder. The nice thing about Living Lands is your Forests are still lands, they can tap for mana, but they're also creatures who can be devoured.
Land reanimation is good with landfall and landfall is a part of the strategy of repeatable token creation. If you're choosing to add one drop mana dorks then Forests become more important than Mountains thus a higher number of Forests than Mountains.
1 month ago
Avenger of Zendikar Cultivate Zendikar's Roil Exploration Rubblehulk Titania, Protector of Argoth Nissa, Vital Force Traverse the Outlands Sakura-Tribe Elder Sylvan Awakening Harrow Seer's Sundial Lotus Cobra Undergrowth Champion Azusa, Lost but Seeking Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar Eternal Witness
1 month ago
Super cool that you got to the 100% competitive mark, but that being said you are making some decision that are in my opinion crucial mistakes. That fact that you leave Crucible of Worlds out is something I don't understand. Crucible is the engine in any omnath deck, especially combined with things like fetches. You can keep going and going and going, basically every fetch is a recurring ramp spell that you can play for nothing. Creating 2 tokens, that can hit or be sacrificed for damage. It is truly insane and often the card that will win you the game. Supported by Titania, Protector of Argoth you have another win con.
Even if you dont play crucible or the ramunap, scapeshift is basically a win if you played Avenger of Zendikar the turn before.
That being said you are truly in a very good direction, but to make the deck competitive (again the tapped out meter doesnt say that much) you need to focus it more. And omnath is all about dropping lands, everything else doesnt matter. You dont play interaction with anything on the board. Enchantment/Artifact is for the weak. You play player removal with omnath, someone drops something threathening? Here is 15 elementals in your face, sac them all and divide 45 damage to kill another player off. Fastest I won with my build is turn 4. (was a god hand but still). Often I drag multiplayer games in around turn 6-7.
I do agree with you on Nissa, Vital Force She can be underwhelming and with cards like Greater Good and Perilous Forays you have better card draw then her. The only thing that helps her is that her +1 is powerfull since she can protect herself for one turn and then ult. Right now I play Altar of Dementia , often I have around 15-20 elementals, wich means I can Swing/Sac/Mill almost 3 players out of the game in one go. But she might find her way back in, or Greenwarden of Murasa but that would mostly be for the recursion.
Also: Oracle of Mul Daya , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Lotus Cobra , Mina and Denn, Wildborn are crucial in any land matters deck. Cause they keep the land drop engine going and often one of these give you a turn 4 omnath.
My build is basically the top deck on tapped out with a few cards changed regarding my meta. Omnath, Locust of Rage-deck. Hopefully it will help you a bit.
1 month ago
Hey, $200 is still budget :) Some Commander decks are thousands of dollars.
For the manabase I think there's too many Islands. You want a lot more green than blue because green cards (land ramp spells) are more important to be able to cast in the early game and they can search for a blue source. Tatyova and the landfall strategy requires a lot of lands; don't be bashful in the amount you play, more the better in my opinion. To be useful cards like Burgeoning, Cobra, the Scouts, Gardener, Ranger and Atlas need a lot of lands. Khalni Garden is not worth what it does because it ETB tapped. Consider cutting it for another Forest?
You have a Breeding Pool which is great, consider Nature's Lore ? This two drop land ramp spell lets you search for and put Pool onto the battlefield. Kodama's Reach is another Cultivate. Consider Sylvan Scrying and Crop Rotation ? These cards aren't land ramp, instead they can tutor for Reliquary Tower or a Fetch land and these are pretty important lands to have on the battlefield with Tatyova.
There's no creature tutors here and that could a problem if you get overwhelmed with land support cards and not something bigger to take advantage. Consider Fierce Empath and Fauna Shaman ? Empath can tutor for a big finisher landfall creature such as Avenger or Rampaging. Fauna can be a repeatable creature tutor by discarding a dork to then tutor for any other creature. She can tutor for a big creature or a support creature like Excavator, Witness, etc. Helpful to have when you can't play a lot of expensive price creature tutors.
Budget cards ($4 or less each) to consider adding:
- Nature's Lore
- Kodama's Reach
- Crop Rotation
- Fierce Empath
- Fauna Shaman
- Nissa, Vital Force : her ultimate can happen fast and it's a source of draw playing lands that your opponents can't stop (emblem).
- World Breaker : supercharged Acidic Slime who you can recur.
- Scavenging Ooze : repeatable graveyard hate is very helpful in multiplayer Commander.
- Mana Breach : good with Tatyova/landfall, disrupts your opponents much more than you.
- Arcane Denial : sometimes you need a two drop counterspell and Denial is only one blue mana hard counter.
- Mystic Remora : one of the best sources of repeatable no mana cost draw in multiplayer Commander. It can help to fill your hand with lands to play and all the lands helps to keep it on the battlefield longer.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Animist's Awakening: already playing Genesis Wave and Wave is a much better card.
- Broken Bond
- Khalni Heart Expedition: a fine card, but a one shot effect, there's better repeatable options.
- Tishana, Voice of Thunder: this kind of draw is fine, but you don't really need it.
- Undergrowth Champion
- Skyshroud Ranger: can only use her ability at sorcery speed, makes her the least good creature with this effect.
- Rites of Flourishing: helps your opponents too much especially control players.
- Urban Evolution
- Zendikar's Roil
- Nissa, Steward of Elements: her -6 is powerful, but I think overall Vital Force gives you more.
Good luck with your deck.
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