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Life from the Loam
Return up to three target land cards from your graveyard to your hand.
Dredge 3 (If you would draw a card, instead you may put exactly three cards from the top of your library into your graveyard. If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Otherwise, draw a card.)
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Life from the Loam Discussion
1 day ago
@smashadams83. I love Crop Rotation and think it can be an all-star in the right deck (like this one: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shattergang-lands-brewing/) but I think Id rather run Sylvan Scrying in a list like this. You lose instant speed and have to pay one more mana, but you dont have to sacrifice a land. There are several utility lands this deck wants to find like Shizo or Oran Reif so you should always have a target to dig for. That said, if you have access to Demonic Tutor its obviously way better.
I used to own a copy of Yavimaya Hollow back in the day (when it was a sub $10 card) but it was destroyed in a flood. Ive been meaning to get another copy and I think its a great investment (reserved list and all) but I just havent gotten around to it. Ill definitely pick one up when I can.As far as protection for Hapatra goes, I run less than you, only Greaves. I should probably play Boots as well and may still try to find space for it. She is pretty essential to the strategy of the deck so devoting resources to keeping her on the field is a good call. I prefer Sword of Feast and Famine to Whispersilk Cloak. It provides just a huge payoff for connecting.
Good moves with Bitterblossom and Westvale Abbey Flip. I agree about Rogue's Passage being too costly for this deck. I also have added Forbidden Orchard to my list of cards to acquire for this deck. Seems like a perfect fit, great find. I feel good about my current number of cycling lands (5) along with Geier Reach Sanitarium, I want to be careful of using too many ETB tapped lands because its often a good move to get Hapatra in on turn 2.
There are two other lands Ive been considering. 1) Pendelhaven: This deck has a ton of 1/1s so why not give this a shot over a random forest? In the event Hapatra has to target herself with a counter on turn 3 this could beef her up into a 2/3 on her next combat. Also 2/3 snakes (not as important) and 2/3 faeries. Definitely not essential but the price drop after the Masters 25 reprint caught my attention.
2) Command Beacon: Having to pay 6 or 8 mana for Hapatra can be a real drag late in the game. I like this land in my decks that run expensive commanders, but I think it has a place here as well. I just want to be careful about having too many colorless lands.
Slate of Ancestry is amazing when it is on but really inconsistent, due to how costly it is to activate. I dont think its uncuttable but if I do swap it out Id want to replace it with draw. I do really like the idea of Evolutionary Leap but I dont think its a good 1 for 1 swap. Another draw effect could be Deathreap Ritual, but honestly it just seems like a bad Phyrexian Arena.
The other creatures you suggested besides Undead Gladiator seem too costly for the return effect, even Genesis. I used to run that card in every green deck but I feel like the format has sped up and its just so slow these days. Its not bad, but I dont think this deck can make enough mana to take advantage of it consistently. That said, I dont think we would even need too many of these effects. Survival of the Fittest can always just search up the Gladitaor and pitch him to find another creature, same with Fauna Shaman, albeit more slowly.
As Ive played with my list Ive become less enthusiastic about the Protean Hulk direction and I dont think Im going to try it. I like my current big green creatures as a Natural Order package and if I wanted to run another one Id probably try Terastodon or Woodfall Primus. Fierce Empath is a great alternative to Natural Order though and Id definitely run it if I didnt have a copy of NO.
I like Golgari Charm along with/instead of Heroic Intervention. I havent been able to find room for either card but I definitely think I should be running at least one of them. if I was only going to run one of them I think I like charm more because it has more applications, even though the save my stuff mode is more limited.
Regarding Life from the Loam you definitely want to have enough recursion to make it worthwhile. Im running more than you in Dread Return, Victimize, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth (along with Eternal Witness and Journey to Eternity Flip) and Id run more if I could find space for it. Dread Return is particularly nice with Loam as you can flash it back fairly easily so its not a huge deal if you dump it in the yard. Still, this is more of a token deck than a graveyard deck and dredging isnt really what I want to be doing every game, its just nice as an option. In the average game where I cast Loam I probably only dredge once or twice, if at all. Getting 2-3 lands back to your hand is often good enough as a one shot effect. Zulaport Cutthroat has been fantastic for me so far and I think I want to find room for Blood Artist as well. I do find myself missing sacrifice outlets when I get Cutthroat on the field though. I may have to find room for Yahenni after all .Ive been really enjoying our discussion!
2 days ago
I like your take on Meren! Have you thought about adding some cards that have the dredge mechanic, so that things turn up quicker in your graveyard? I'm thinking about cards like Hermit Druid or Life from the Loam. In case you're looking for more inspiration, I'd invite you to have a look at my wife's take on Meren: Meren's Returning Army.
1 week ago
@SmashAdams, here is my updated list so far.
I followed your lead and added the same cycling lands to beef up Archfiend and, as such, also added Life from the Loam.
I couldn't bring myself to break up the Natural Order package that can get me token pump (Craterhoof Behemoth), card draw (Regal Force), or an instant board presence (Hornet Queen). Testing may show if it's in the deck's best interest to remove this in order to make space for lower CMC spells like Blood Artist and ilk.
You don't feel that Liliana's Influence is too pricey (mana wise) for the effect? I like that it can spread counters and make tokens but if I don't have a way to take advantage of those counters it's a pretty poor excuse for a board wipe. I'm still on the fence here and haven't added it yet.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan is in because I've been dying to play him and I feel like he could be good. I probably should find room for Sword of Feast and Famine and Sword of Fire and Ice though to get maximum value from him. I also feel like the swords would be of great benefit to Hapatra and keep her combat trigger relevant later in the game.
What do I cut for Path of Discovery?The second I get my hands on a Shizo it's going in. That one is a no brainer for sure.
Also, I think Devoted Druid still has a place even without Quillspike. It's fine ramp that can be cashed in for 2 snakes when ramp is not relevant. Also it's a decent creature to stick Journey to Eternity on because I control the death trigger. Also fine Natural Order fodder.
1 week ago
Nice list and thanks for the post! I really like what you have going on here and will definitely be incorporating a lot of these ideas as I update my list. If you have a copy of Life from the Loam I'd highly recommend it as you can build a cycling land engine and go nuts with card draw. I'm also wondering if there are any half decent 1 mana discard outlet creatures that could be snagged with Archfiend on a Protean Hulk trigger.
I am not a huge fan of infinities so I will probably shy away from Quillspike/Devoted Druid, but I'm thinking of tossing in Birthing Pod as another way to find Archfiend. There's a lot of interesting ways to build Hapatra and I'm pumped to give dive into tuning my list up again. She's next on my to-do.
1 week ago
Yeah reservations about adding noncreature cards above a certain CMC threshold is something that resonates with me as a fellow reanimation deck builder, especially when it comes to those which are dependent on other cards/permanents. However, I think in this case the later point isn't too noticeable since putting a creature into play is something this deck can do shortly after Path has been cast (you already alluded to the potential with Sidisi). What to exclude is, as usual, difficult to say:
There's some overlap with Life from the Loam but I guess the argument mostly becomes a question of less mana spent per turn after the initial 4 CMC investment and a better zombie token-per-milled-card ratio. You could say similar things about Grim Flayer & Satyr Wayfinder but I doubt you're thrilled about lowering the percentage of creature cards in the deck (with good reason). Maybe you can be a bit naughty and take out a Basic? 37 lands doesn't seem that bad too me.
As for your thoughts on graveyard anti-hate, they seem well reasoned. I'm a bit of a control freak (lower case 'c') so my fear of having potentially key cards eliminated for good might be a bit excessive.
1 week ago
Torment is actually probably the best outlet card that you could run outside of the loopable cards. Kinda gives you a way to win without Dakmor too with the Skirge Familiar + Life from the Loam combo (something that would take 2 hours with a Brutality).
Bojuka Bog is a card that deals with a combo player's graveyard, but Flash Hulk usually just gets Grand Abolisher which makes you unable to Crop Rotation for it. Planning to try out Scavenger Grounds soon in this list, as often enough our graveyard doesn't include any essential combo cards unless we're already going off, and it gets through Abolisher while drawing you a card with Gitrog in the field. Just something to keep in mind when testing Bog out, cheers.
1 week ago
A forgotten mana dork you could consider is Urborg Elf. I'd also run Volrath's Stronghold. Life from the Loam can get back Volrath's Stronghold, which can get back Eternal Witness, which can get back anything.
1 week ago
Hey friend! Welcome to the wonderful world that is Sidisi EDH!
My gut instinct here by looking at your list (and from your description) is that you're aiming to go wide- you're looking to overwhelm the board with so many zombies that your opponents don't know what to do with themselves. If this is true, then let's look at some ways you can get out as many zombies as possible:
-Mesmeric Orb is my personal favorite. Each permanent untapping is a unique trigger, and will give you a zombie if it's respectively milled card was a creature. This can further be exploited by combining it with Aphetto Alchemist, Seeker of Skybreak, or even good ole' Basalt Monolith along with something like Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre in the deck to instantly (and for little mana investment) get as many zombies as you'd like. However! Infinite combos like this are not for everyone, so we can look at some less abusive options:
-Embalmer's Tools was something I'd initially overlooked in my own build. However, once I gave it a shot I realized it's value, and it's remained a staple to this day. Being a force-tapping ability allows you to insta-tap a newly created zombie to mill yourself one, and potentially hit a creature. My deck hovers around 40% creatures, and this allows it to maintain enough consistency that I find these tools invaluable.
-Parallel Lives is more used in conjecture with other cards, and doesn't pull as much weight by itself given the mana investment, but is still worth the consideration.
-Lastly, I wanted to refer you to consider Dredge options: Life from the Loam can be a straight replacement for Splendid Reclamation due to it's usefulness even when milled, and Stinkweed Imp is a continuous threat to flyers that may swing your way. There are, however, many other options in this category such as Dakmor Salvage and Golgari Grave-Troll that are popular as well.
Due to Sidisi's rules, she cares more about individual INSTANCES of self-mill, not LARGE chunks of self-mill. Once you get your zombie count high enough, you need to start examining how those zombies are going to win you the game. Most of the time, it's through face-damage. Zombie lords to give them a little extra punch help a lot here. I noticed you had a couple staples, but there are some additional options to consider such as Death Baron, Zombie Master, Undead Warchief, and even Metallic Mimic, all of which can give you some some additional threat on the board. While you already have Wonder, I've always enjoyed using Filth in conjuncture with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to sneak through unexpectedly, and additionally have had some fun with Eldrazi Monument, Akroma's Memorial, Craterhoof Behemoth, and Decimator of the Provinces.
The remainder of the recommendations come in the form of alternative wincons, which are typically applied against those pesky pillow-fort players or those who seem to be matching you token-for-token to the point where you just can't get through. Things like Altar of Dementia can always be used on yourself for general utility or an enemy to devastating effect (it's always fun to watch someone struggle with something like Mystical Tutor when they know you'll just force them to mill it), and other options include things like Gempalm Polluter and Lich Lord of Unx.
Hopefully this has given you some food for thought, and if I was totally wrong on the direction you want this deck to head, please let me know so I can adjust my suggestions to suit your playstyle more!